Wife is in a generous mood and has allowed me to upgrade my equipment for next year. Though the Lucero looks new and functions well, I think I could buy a few more seconds of free speed with one of the newer bikes.
I have a long torso, short legs–the old spark plug Doug or similar moniker. What’s my best upgrade?
Wife is in a generous mood and has allowed me to upgrade my equipment for next year. Though the Lucero looks new and functions well, I think I could buy a few more seconds of free speed with one of the newer bikes.
I have a long torso, short legs–the old spark plug Doug or similar moniker. What’s my best upgrade?
First pick a price then we can narrow it down for you. Saying you can upgrade could be 2000 or 15k, those are two vastly different options.
She won’t blink until it goes over $5K.
Might as well stick with Quintana Roo. As-aero, or more-aero than anything else you can buy (according to the tunnel data I’ve seen), and has already treated you well. Here’s a sweet photo I saw from the '12 lineup of CD0.1’s.
http://yfrog.com/h0d51twj
http://yfrog.com/hs8kvznj
While the CD0.1 are sweet, the Illicito is even sweeter (in my opinion). I haven’t seen tunnel numbers for that, but was told by the folks at QR that it was faster than the CD0.1 at all yaw angles (both positive and negative). Some people may be nervous buying a bike without any wind-tunnel numbers to back it up, but I believe them when they say it beats the CD0.1 (which does have numbers backing it up).
She won’t blink until it goes over $5K.
P2C frame set now new is 1800
Disc/ deep front - can get used for under 2k
Used SRM or quark 1500ish.
Move all your components from the old bike.
Thats what I would do. If you have race wheels and a powermeter, I’ll reevaluate
That’s actually a good point about investing most of the money in upgrades.
Really, you can buy more speed upgrading your current bike, you don’t even need a new frame (a P2C will almost assuredly cost time, not gain time)
(a P2C will almost assuredly cost time, not gain time)
Do you have data on that? You think the p2 will be slower than a lucero?
FWIW. I went from a 2006 Caliente (sane geometry as Lucero I believe) to a 2010 P2. There was very little in terms of adjusting to the new bike. My first race on the P2 was my first IM. As another poster said, you can get that frame and bling it out pretty good for $5k.
that would imply that a p3c would cost time as well
(a P2C will almost assuredly cost time, not gain time)
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Already have a quarq, disk, assortment of race wheels so really am looking to upgrading frame and maybe I’ll get a new gruppo too. Currently running ultegra 10 speed but quarq is SRAM so might go SRAM red or force.
Not really, though I certainly haven’t seen any data to prove one way or another.
In '06, the Lucero’s were still an agressive position (if I recall correctly), so the P2C may not get the OP as low as his Lucero, thus costing him time. Of course it would likely be technicaly possible to emulate his position on a P2C, but might require a wonky setup. Any aero gains from the frame (if they exist at all) I would think would be negated by having to mess with the fit.
Already have a quarq, disk, assortment of race wheels so really am looking to upgrading frame and maybe I’ll get a new gruppo too. Currently running ultegra 10 speed but quarq is SRAM so might go SRAM red or force.
You’re not going to see much of a change from ultegra to well anything else unless your parts are worn.
I would wait until spring or at least till interbike and see what is coming out in 2012 if you have all the “upgrade”. Cervelo and I believe specialized are coming out with new versions of bike, P(whatever number) and a non-uci legal shiv (supposedly). Otherwise if they don’t I would say any superbike will cost you under 5k and get a good set of aerobars since you have everything else covered. Look at your tire choices on the wheels too then read up on RR here cause there is a lot of info and your tires may be costing you more time than your frame currently
Not really, though I certainly haven’t seen any data to prove one way or another.
the p2c is within 5g of drag of the p3c, if the p2c is assuredly slower, the p3c will be as well
In '06, the Lucero’s were still an agressive position (if I recall correctly), so the P2C may not get the OP as low as his Lucero, thus costing him time. Of course it would likely be technicaly possible to emulate his position on a P2C, but might require a wonky setup. Any aero gains from the frame (if they exist at all) I would think would be negated by having to mess with the fit.
a downangled stem or size down on the frame with a long stem isn’t going to mess up the drag.
What parts do you have. Sight unseen I’d say, $1500 on wind tunnel time, then quite a bit of bucks on the aerobar. If you aren’t using fast wheel, that would be next (or 2nd if you’re wheels are really crappy and your aerobar is good.)
If you want a look at me thing I’d figure out what position in the WT works, then find a carbon repair shop to custom put together a bar for you. the ventus bas with the zipp extensions (with the shifter mounts buit in) bonded inline with the bar, and custom carbon arm rests bonded right on top, will be very very clean.
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I have the '06 Lucero as well and I think the P2C would be a step across more than it would be a step up.
But the P3C would be worth looking at.
Not really, though I certainly haven’t seen any data to prove one way or another.
In '06, the Lucero’s were still an agressive position (if I recall correctly), so the P2C may not get the OP as low as his Lucero, thus costing him time. Of course it would likely be technicaly possible to emulate his position on a P2C, but might require a wonky setup. Any aero gains from the frame (if they exist at all) I would think would be negated by having to mess with the fit.
The P2 is an agressive position and just less so than the P3. Based on Gerards current comments the low headtube is actually a hinderance for most hence why they changed the height on the S5 from the S3.
The lucero isn’t even in the same time zone as a P2 at its closest point its still approaching 35ish grams of drag and then drops of like a rock at yaw
http://img39.imagefra.me/img/img39/2/8/29/xavierdisley/f_hvgi2miwoxjm_a29b606.jpg
Based on Gerards current comments the low headtube is actually a hinderance for most hence why they changed the height on the S5 from the S3.
those comments only applied to road bikes.
with a tri bike when you lower the bars your body has to go lower too. it isn’t like a road bike where people put the bars really low and all that happens is they drop their hands.
I have the '06 Lucero as well and I think the P2C would be a step across more than it would be a step up.
But the P3C would be worth looking at.
You may think that but look at my last post.
while I trust Cervelo pretty well, its hardly fair or valid to use their tunnel test alone as evidence of anything.