Baltimore Bridge

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When we cross over the Bay bridge a couple miles south of there we usually see 6-12 ships waiting in line to head north to Baltimore. Baltimore docks really get a lot more traffic than people realize.

If Minnesota’s bridge too 18 months to rebuild I wouldn’t be surprised to see this in 12 months or less.

They will move mountains to get that back up quickly.

Maybe someone knows: is rebuilding the bridge a precondition to using the docks? I assume, at minimum, they need to clear the wreckage from the water so that the channel is clear. But, once that is done, can the ships go to/from the dock while the bridge is under construction?

The port will be reopened withing weeks…the bridge is a convenience for the populace

And the transport of HAZMAT materials up and down the east coast, without considering the impact on regular trucking. 30K cars a day is a shit-ton to absorb through the McHenry Tunnel / Harbor Tunnel / west side of 695 system.

But enlighten us on your transportation engineering prowess, please.

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When we cross over the Bay bridge a couple miles south of there we usually see 6-12 ships waiting in line to head north to Baltimore. Baltimore docks really get a lot more traffic than people realize.

If Minnesota’s bridge too 18 months to rebuild I wouldn’t be surprised to see this in 12 months or less.

They will move mountains to get that back up quickly.

Maybe someone knows: is rebuilding the bridge a precondition to using the docks? I assume, at minimum, they need to clear the wreckage from the water so that the channel is clear. But, once that is done, can the ships go to/from the dock while the bridge is under construction?

The port will be reopened withing weeks…the bridge is a convenience for the populace

And the transport of HAZMAT materials up and down the east coast, without considering the impact on regular trucking. 30K cars a day is a shit-ton to absorb through the McHenry Tunnel / Harbor Tunnel / west side of 695 system.

But enlighten us on your transportation engineering prowess, please.

What did I write that was inaccurate?

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When we cross over the Bay bridge a couple miles south of there we usually see 6-12 ships waiting in line to head north to Baltimore. Baltimore docks really get a lot more traffic than people realize.

If Minnesota’s bridge too 18 months to rebuild I wouldn’t be surprised to see this in 12 months or less.

They will move mountains to get that back up quickly.

Maybe someone knows: is rebuilding the bridge a precondition to using the docks? I assume, at minimum, they need to clear the wreckage from the water so that the channel is clear. But, once that is done, can the ships go to/from the dock while the bridge is under construction?

The port will be reopened withing weeks…the bridge is a convenience for the populace

They are saying underwater is a massive pile of sharp debris. Dangerous waters. The HOW they are going to pickup collapsed erector set is a massive task.

That being said, here in RI we have a failed bridge, hosted 90K cars a day of an f’d up design since day 1. Earliest fix is late 2026. Real mess with both lanes of traffic on one side of the bridge

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When we cross over the Bay bridge a couple miles south of there we usually see 6-12 ships waiting in line to head north to Baltimore. Baltimore docks really get a lot more traffic than people realize.

If Minnesota’s bridge too 18 months to rebuild I wouldn’t be surprised to see this in 12 months or less.

They will move mountains to get that back up quickly.

Maybe someone knows: is rebuilding the bridge a precondition to using the docks? I assume, at minimum, they need to clear the wreckage from the water so that the channel is clear. But, once that is done, can the ships go to/from the dock while the bridge is under construction?

The port will be reopened withing weeks…the bridge is a convenience for the populace

They are saying underwater is a massive pile of sharp debris. Dangerous waters. The HOW they are going to pickup collapsed erector set is a massive task.

That being said, here in RI we have a failed bridge, hosted 90K cars a day of an f’d up design since day 1. Earliest fix is late 2026. Real mess with both lanes of traffic on one side of the bridge

IMO the bridge is a total loss and therefore no need to gentle. Bring in naval demolition teams and/or the Seabees.

The only hold up would be to do an investigation into why the bridge collapsed. For that they need the metal from the bottom of the river.

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When we cross over the Bay bridge a couple miles south of there we usually see 6-12 ships waiting in line to head north to Baltimore. Baltimore docks really get a lot more traffic than people realize.

If Minnesota’s bridge too 18 months to rebuild I wouldn’t be surprised to see this in 12 months or less.

They will move mountains to get that back up quickly.

Maybe someone knows: is rebuilding the bridge a precondition to using the docks? I assume, at minimum, they need to clear the wreckage from the water so that the channel is clear. But, once that is done, can the ships go to/from the dock while the bridge is under construction?

The port will be reopened withing weeks…the bridge is a convenience for the populace

And the transport of HAZMAT materials up and down the east coast, without considering the impact on regular trucking. 30K cars a day is a shit-ton to absorb through the McHenry Tunnel / Harbor Tunnel / west side of 695 system.

But enlighten us on your transportation engineering prowess, please.

What did I write that was inaccurate?

“the bridge is an convenience for the populace” - no it’s a critical transportation vector. You know that several American military installations and government intelligence agencies are all around here with employees that use those vectors? It will impact the economy way beyond Baltimore’s and even Maryland’s borders. Unless you just mean the general American populace or even the Earth populace, in which case, uh, OK?

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Marland Governor on TV live now.

He’s a well spoken in control guy.

Buttegieg (I’m sure I spelled that wrong) is on scene. Good look for him he should get credit.

I know nothing about the Dem governor of Maryland (Wes Moore??), but if I was in the leadership of the Dem party I’d sure have my eye on him

Shame Hagen before him wasn’t interested in the White House.

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Biden has announced that it is his intention that the Federal Government will pay for the replacement bridge. Queue GOP efforts to block funding for this project…

You do realize you and Kay are the only two posters who interjected politics into this.

Sad. Do better.

How did I inject politics into this?

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When we cross over the Bay bridge a couple miles south of there we usually see 6-12 ships waiting in line to head north to Baltimore. Baltimore docks really get a lot more traffic than people realize.

If Minnesota’s bridge too 18 months to rebuild I wouldn’t be surprised to see this in 12 months or less.

They will move mountains to get that back up quickly.

Maybe someone knows: is rebuilding the bridge a precondition to using the docks? I assume, at minimum, they need to clear the wreckage from the water so that the channel is clear. But, once that is done, can the ships go to/from the dock while the bridge is under construction?

The port will be reopened withing weeks…the bridge is a convenience for the populace

And the transport of HAZMAT materials up and down the east coast, without considering the impact on regular trucking. 30K cars a day is a shit-ton to absorb through the McHenry Tunnel / Harbor Tunnel / west side of 695 system.

But enlighten us on your transportation engineering prowess, please.

What did I write that was inaccurate?

“the bridge is an convenience for the populace” - no it’s a critical transportation vector. You know that several American military installations and government intelligence agencies are all around here with employees that use those vectors? It will impact the economy way beyond Baltimore’s and even Maryland’s borders. Unless you just mean the general American populace or even the Earth populace, in which case, uh, OK?

30K cars per day is a rounding error relative to other bridges. There are alternative means of commuting. There will be a new bridge but it won’t be a rush job

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So, do they rebuild the span portion of the bridge and reconnect to the existing concrete roadway, or build a new bridge altogether? I assume the former would be quicker and cheaper, assuming they can clear the wreckage relatively quickly. Two to three year project? The Mario Cuomo (new Tappan Zee) Bridge took five years to build.

How much of the mile and a half bridge is still intact? From the video it all went down but that was just the part in view of the camera.

I remember a few years ago a major bridge near Minneapolis went down from a ship strike, and they actually had it replaced pretty quickly, something like 18 months IIRC. But it wasn’t a mile and a half long.

None of the span is intact, but the raised concrete roadway either side of the span also represents significant construction if it’s not re-used.

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Replying to Ike

Once the wreckage debris is cleared the ships should will be able to pass. I live next to the Long Beach/Los Angeles port. They just put in a new larger bridge that connects Long Beach/terminal island/ San Pedro. The new bridge was constructed right next to the old bridge, which we still needed, without obstructing port traffic. Bridges can be built over the water keeping the shipping lanes open. The on- land traffic flow, well that’s a nuther story.

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When we cross over the Bay bridge a couple miles south of there we usually see 6-12 ships waiting in line to head north to Baltimore. Baltimore docks really get a lot more traffic than people realize.

If Minnesota’s bridge too 18 months to rebuild I wouldn’t be surprised to see this in 12 months or less.

They will move mountains to get that back up quickly.

Maybe someone knows: is rebuilding the bridge a precondition to using the docks? I assume, at minimum, they need to clear the wreckage from the water so that the channel is clear. But, once that is done, can the ships go to/from the dock while the bridge is under construction?

The port will be reopened withing weeks…the bridge is a convenience for the populace

And the transport of HAZMAT materials up and down the east coast, without considering the impact on regular trucking. 30K cars a day is a shit-ton to absorb through the McHenry Tunnel / Harbor Tunnel / west side of 695 system.

But enlighten us on your transportation engineering prowess, please.

What did I write that was inaccurate?

“the bridge is an convenience for the populace” - no it’s a critical transportation vector. You know that several American military installations and government intelligence agencies are all around here with employees that use those vectors? It will impact the economy way beyond Baltimore’s and even Maryland’s borders. Unless you just mean the general American populace or even the Earth populace, in which case, uh, OK?

30K cars per day is a rounding error relative to other bridges. There are alternative means of commuting. There will be a new bridge but it won’t be a rush job

You can’t transport hazmats through the 95 tunnel, so it’s more than the 30k cars. So it’s more than a convenience to the populace for commuting.

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Thank God for MTG. Without her shining the spotlight on this obscure event, would anyone even bother looking into it?

There should be a serious investigation into the horrifying tragedy of the Francis Scott Key Bridge in Maryland. Is this an intentional attack or an accident?

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When we cross over the Bay bridge a couple miles south of there we usually see 6-12 ships waiting in line to head north to Baltimore. Baltimore docks really get a lot more traffic than people realize.

If Minnesota’s bridge too 18 months to rebuild I wouldn’t be surprised to see this in 12 months or less.

They will move mountains to get that back up quickly.

Maybe someone knows: is rebuilding the bridge a precondition to using the docks? I assume, at minimum, they need to clear the wreckage from the water so that the channel is clear. But, once that is done, can the ships go to/from the dock while the bridge is under construction?

The port will be reopened withing weeks…the bridge is a convenience for the populace

And the transport of HAZMAT materials up and down the east coast, without considering the impact on regular trucking. 30K cars a day is a shit-ton to absorb through the McHenry Tunnel / Harbor Tunnel / west side of 695 system.

But enlighten us on your transportation engineering prowess, please.

What did I write that was inaccurate?

“the bridge is an convenience for the populace” - no it’s a critical transportation vector. You know that several American military installations and government intelligence agencies are all around here with employees that use those vectors? It will impact the economy way beyond Baltimore’s and even Maryland’s borders. Unless you just mean the general American populace or even the Earth populace, in which case, uh, OK?

30K cars per day is a rounding error relative to other bridges. There are alternative means of commuting. There will be a new bridge but it won’t be a rush job

You can’t transport hazmats through the 95 tunnel, so it’s more than the 30k cars. So it’s more than a convenience to the populace for commuting.

There are no other alternatives for hazardous materials? I find that hard to believe.

Where does HAZMAT rank as a part of its business?

The bridge will be rebuilt but it’s not super time sensitive unlike getting the port back open

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That’s a lot of words for shitty design and construction. But okay.

Design yes, but not bad enough that other bridges with the exact same design need to be changed or replaced.

Not at all construction. So stay ignorant if you choose.

Did your grandfather build it or something? Your butt hurt over my comments about the bridge is puzzling.

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There’s the west side of the beltway (695) assuming they allow hazmat transport. Beyond that, I don’t think there are any major thoroughfares besides the tunnel in the immediate area.

https://cdn2.hubspot.net/hubfs/4239221/Imported_Blog_Media/hazmat-pic-1-300x248-1.png

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There’s the west side of the beltway (695) assuming they allow hazmat transport. Beyond that, I don’t think there are any major thoroughfares besides the tunnel in the immediate area.

https://cdn2.hubspot.net/hubfs/4239221/Imported_Blog_Media/hazmat-pic-1-300x248-1.png

https://www.google.com/maps/d/viewer?hl=en_US&app=mp&mid=1UsrrSrbhZLJx3SDkwTzNtjrmeTs

That’s from here

https://www.fmcsa.dot.gov/regulations/hazardous-materials/national-hazardous-materials-route-registry-state

Looks like there’s alternatives

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There’s the west side of the beltway (695) assuming they allow hazmat transport. Beyond that, I don’t think there are any major thoroughfares besides the tunnel in the immediate area.

https://cdn2.hubspot.net/hubfs/4239221/Imported_Blog_Media/hazmat-pic-1-300x248-1.png

The Key Bridge was the main route to Port of Baltimore from points south. It’s also the main route for Haz Mat loads traveling 95.

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Marland Governor on TV live now.

He’s a well spoken in control guy.

Buttegieg (I’m sure I spelled that wrong) is on scene. Good look for him he should get credit.

I know nothing about the Dem governor of Maryland (Wes Moore??), but if I was in the leadership of the Dem party I’d sure have my eye on him

My brother knows him from crossing paths years ago. He wrote a book in 2010, The Other Wes Moore. Quick and good read. Story of his life growing up inner city Baltimore. There was another boy from a few blocks over, named Wes Moore. They had divergent lives with him being steered and supported while the other Wes ended up in prison for murder. The idea started as a correspondence that led to them meeting and spending time together. He covered both their lives and wrote about how very easily a few twists of fate sent them on their respective paths, and could easily have been reversed. He said at the time his hope was to provide a lesson to youths about how slippery a slope life could be. My SIL is a teacher and is one of the things she has on reading list for her students.

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Sounds like an interesting read, I’ll have to see if my library has it
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Sounds like an interesting read, I’ll have to see if my library has it

It’s a very good book. I highly recommend it.