Al-Qaida stronger now than in 2001 - remind me again why we're in Iraq?

While we’re fighting in Iraq, the real threat is in Afghanistan and Pakistan rebuilding and getting stronger. More recruits, more money, more communication, more weapons and equipment.

Even if the surge in Iraq succeeds (it won’t), what will that do for ensuring our national security here in the US?

I wonder if the Bush administration has actually made the situation worse?

WASHINGTON – U.S. intelligence analysts have concluded al-Qaida has rebuilt its operating capability to a level not seen since just before the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks, The Associated Press has learned. The conclusion suggests that the network that launched the most devastating terror attack on the United States has been able to regroup along the Afghan-Pakistani border despite nearly six years of bombings, war and other tactics aimed at crippling it.

The threat assessment comes as the 16 U.S. intelligence agencies prepare a National Intelligence Estimate focusing on threats to the United States. A senior intelligence official, who spoke on condition of anonymity while the high-level analysis was being finalized, said the document has been in the works for roughly two years.

AP Article in Chicago Tribune

To make the top 1% of the wealth of America to get wealthier. That’s why we are in Iraq.

I saw a news story 10 minutes ago and the first thing that I thought of was “Well, I guess the War on Terror is about as successful as The War on Drugs”. I bet that Bush is saying that the War on Terror is a success but then why are statements like this being made if we are winning the “war”.

the Bush Admin has pulled off the great heist in world history - getting close to a trillion dollars and still rising
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“why we’re in Iraq”

Because I was never in command. If I had been, the war would have been over 4 years ago.

“the real threat is in Afghanistan and Pakistan rebuilding and getting stronger”


Like you and other pussy libs would have the stomach to pursue the “real threat.” YEAH, RIGHT!! Give me a break…

Mark me, the time will come when you fucking liberals will have to deal with the aftermath brought on by the policies of your pussification. You guys have about 18 months to slap each other on the back and congratulate yourselves for being pussies. If we pull out of Iraq, the carnage, devastation and bloodshed will exceed your worst nightmares…

…and then, the time will come, when we go back…under democrat ledership, at a cost that will make you wish we had gotten it right the first time.

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I think the polite and gentlemanly way of saying what you just said is that you fear a failure of will on the part of those who soon will be determining our policies in Iraq and elsewhere.

And you may just be right, sir.

Regards,

T.

Thank you for the smooth ‘correction’ of my extreme views. If I were dealing with folks of a fair-minded and rational viewpoint, I would defer to a more polite and gentlemanly approach. However, since I am dealing with a bunch of treasonous, barbarian, terrorist cock-sucking backstabbers, I think the volatility and nastiness of my reply is entirely appropriate.

Uh oh, we’ve got a last gasp of bluster from the right. But who is listening after the right, while controlling the presidency, house and senate, led the most incompetent war effort our country has known? History speaks for itself.

The “told you so” game makes me ill.

Some anti-war people think its dandy that our Iraq mission turned out to be a distaster, just so they can say “I told you so.”

Now if we pull out and the situation turns into a worse distaster, the Mojos of the world get to say “I told you so” … and they’ll say it with just as much glee as the “libs” they hate.

My only point in all of this is to say that Mojo and the right wing cowboys have no credibility. The gunslingers had their chance and botched it as much as humanly possible. Should we listen to their inane opinions any longer?

If we pull out of Iraq, the carnage, devastation and bloodshed will exceed your worst nightmares…

And what if that doesn’t happen? Can I expect you to admit you were wrong? Somehow I feel you will be running back to the “but Clinton” defense instead.

**If we pull out of Iraq, the carnage, devastation and bloodshed will exceed your worst nightmares… **


From where I sit (on my bike heading towards the Middle East), the carnage, devastation and bloodshed already exceed my worst nightmare.

The “told you so” game makes me ill.

 I completely agree with you.  Both sides want the other side to fail.  What both sides fail to realize is that we are all on the same side.

As far as I’m concerned, the war in Afghanistan is the only one directly related to al-Qaeda.

And unless my math skills and common sense have failed me, the fact that they are at pre-9/11 strength means we have set them back at least 6 years; that is not a waste.

Until you show me a pre-war projection of al-Qaeda’s estimated 2007 capability, calling the war in Afghanistan a waste is idiotic. I do know that Al-Qaeda no longer has an entire country to call their own like they did on 9/11. I also find it amuzing the you buy this ‘‘intel’’ hook, line, and sinker; just because it fits your agenda. I don’t know whether to believe this or not. I mean come on, you guys blast Bush for going into Iraq off the belief of wrong intel yet you believe this government official…who by the way is spilling info off a still classified report. Isn’t this bozo in intelligence just like those that fed Bush and congress regarding WMDs in Iraq? It seems like there is a lot of ‘selective’ believing going on. My problem is that even if it’s true the main argument being espoused here is trash.

" As far as I’m concerned, the war in Afghanistan is the only one directly related to al-Qaeda. "

You must have missed the latest memos from Zawahiri.

"led the most incompetent war effort our country has known? History speaks for itself.

Have you read any history?

***Until you show me a pre-war projection of al-Qaeda’s estimated 2007 capability, ***

There is a report by 16 intelligence agencies that show pre-2001 and 2007 capabilities. I doubt they will show it to you. However, I believe this report and not the BS he showed congress as justification for going into Iraq.

Also, I don’t think Afghanistan was a wasted effort. I just believe we should not have wasted resources in Iraq and instead should have focused all attention in Afghanistan. History will show that Iraq only motivated and strengthed the enemy.

Just out of curiosity, are these the same intelligence analysts who said there were WMD’s in Iraq? :wink:

No, these are not the same analysts, because there were analysts telling us that NO WMD existed. The Bush Administration came up with their own analysis in the basement of the WH to present to the American Public. It appears that the right really got bamboozeled because they still believe what was disproved many years ago.

“I wonder if the Bush administration has actually made the situation worse?”

How many Al-Qaida were in Iraq before Bush invaded. None. Absolutely zero because Sadaam would have killed them.

But of course there were WMD’s there.:slight_smile:

This whole war is a fiasco, probably the greatest American military/diplomatic blunder in history.

“How many Al-Qaida were in Iraq before Bush invaded. None. Absolutely zero because Sadaam would have killed them.”

That’s not really true. There was an al-qaeda presence in parts of Iraq that Saddam didn’t have strong control over due to sanctions and the no-fly zones. Some were there, but they were in competition with Saddam, not in collusion with Saddam.

Of course, they are much stronger in Iraq now than they were then.