For triathlon, don't know. Successful athlete of all time, I'd suggest Graham Obree.

who coached people in the early days? i know mark allen worked with maffetone, but wasn't dave scott self-coached? tinley? molina? they did ok in the end.

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farris if you would be ok that he did swim with his swim coach from swimmng days quite a bit when he was home
stadler was self coached
and as somebody said dave scott.
so i guess that would be your 3 most successful ones in tri.

In one of his recent videos at the pool he's training with Techno and his mate both with about 20years on Skipper 😂. I think i saw the other day that he put a post out seeing if anyone fancies going for a run, can't imagine there are a lot of top level athletes who would do the same, i imagine a lot would be annoyed someone has come to follow them around whilst they are 'working'

Not sure....but he sure is one of the most under rated and least talked about. Just 3 minutes behind Blu in Sub 7 (as a last minute replacement), a win in IM Wales, 5th in Kona and now this result in AZ. Decent season I'd say.

I had been thinking only for triathlon, interesting to think about other sports too though.

I wondered if there were a few from back in the day when perhaps it was less common to be coached. Definitely more of an anomaly now.

He's always open to training with people on the bike or run, and quite often has adverts out for people to join him.

His training with the two old guys is great. There's a video of them somewhere hot and techno is leading them out on the bike in what looks like full heat gear, poor fellar ends up bonking, not surprised with the clothes he was wearing :D

Dave Scott is the most successful self coached athlete of all time.

Ryan Hall was self-coached for large chunks of his career

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I wondered if there were a few from back in the day when perhaps it was less common to be coached. Definitely more of an anomaly now. //

More than a few, virtually all of us were self coached. And Mark Allen was not coached by Maffetone, came into his career late, and made suggestions. SO you can decide if any of the top folks from the 80's was more successful, several 6+ time Kona champions to choose from, Terminators, etc. We all might have had indicidual sport coaches, most went to masters workouts, and sometimes track with real runners, but no all round Tri coaches.


And when you think about it, makes a lot of sense since we were the very first to take triathlon to a professional level. Who is going to coach a sport that didn't exist a few years earlier that is made up of 3 different sports? SO not surprising that you will find a lot of those men and women now coaching the latest crop of athletes, the people that lived, experimented, succeeded and failed for 15 years, before handing all that knowledge forward...


So Joe is not totally self coached, he has the benefit of 40 years of history, articles, and he does hang out with some pretty good athletes to bounce stuff of off. (-;

Did Skipper compete in endurance sport when in school?

Tim DeBoom had a pretty nice race resume, and as far as I recall, was self coached.

I'm not sure who was in charge with Ryan, but Joe is way better at triathlon than Ryan was at running.
The world is bigger than the USA.

The world is quite big and Ryan Hall placed tenth in 2008 Olympic Games agains the best runners in the world. Not too shabby.

Certainly seems that Skipper is having more success in triathlon than Hall had in running, though the comparison isn’t exactly fair. The depth of competition in running is so much deeper in the marathon than long course triathlon. That’s not a knock against Skipper as you can only race who shows up and the sport is relatively young, especially compared to running. It also seems that the talent pool is getting deeper in long course triathlon, which is exciting.

You are 100% correct. The depth of running is far greater than any sport, except soccer, in the world.
All that said, Kenya and Ethiopia had 50+ guys a piece that don't get to the start line of the Olympics.
And Ryan was the 2nd American in that race (out of 3)
So I'm sticking to it. Joe is better at triathlon than Ryan is at Triathlon.
And Joe is certainly closer to the top of the Sport (% wise) than Ryan ever was.

Until Joe deadlifts 5 bills...he is not as successful.

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50% of a world record is successful?
Take a long look in the mirror and raise your standards.

Well, I would hope so since Joe is a professional triathlete and Ryan was a professional runner ;)

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Is he though? We don't talk about him often but most people seem to rate him very highly.

Pretty much every thread about Skipper has someone make the "underrated" comment, but rarely does anyone talk down his abilities or accomplishments.

It's the reverse-Lionel. Lol. We talk about him often and someone comes in to say he's overrated even when no one inflates his racing abilities.

I'm really enjoying Joe's racing and content. Big fan. Racing from the back and his humor are both very entertaining, imo.

I bet he went for more of a 10 mile run than a 3 mile run while his dog was at the groomers😄

Is the (allegedly) un-coachable Brownlee(i) a 'possible' in this trawl?

i am closer to agree with you than not , but i am not that sure if it is that clear cut, at one stage hall was 1.50 min of the marathon world record roughly 1.5 percent, joe was 13,30 behind gustav which is almost a 3 percent gap i leave it to you to do the motorbike benefit calculation... and at world champs 2019 it was 16,5 min. and yes we could say that joe is not the best suited to race in the heat

He was a cyclist I believe, no idea how early he started that.

Macca, Crowie come to mind.

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I think Crowie had coaches. I know of at least one.

edit : They refer to Frank as "mentor" to Crowie

When Ryan Hall ran 2:06:17 at London to place 5th which, at the time, the world record was 2:04:26. So to say "50" Ethiopian and Kenyans were faster than him at this time (considering the Olympics were a few months after this). He was 45s behind the eventual Olympic Gold Medallist Sammy Wanjiru. I believe he ran too conservative in the Olympics (this was the one in Bejing where they had high temps and high humidity), but then again, that win by Sammy (he ran 2:06 in those conditions) is considered the race that changed the sport of marathoning forever. Also.. Ryan Hall's 2:06 that year was the 9th fastest time in the world. If you spread it from the beginning of 2006 to the end of 2009, Hall had the 16th fastest time in the world. If you spread it to the end of 2010? 22nd fastest time. Hall was definitely a freak of nature. The only thing he did wrong in his career was not go back to faster running before going back to the marathon. He ran that 59:43 solo basically a year after running 13:16 or something like that in college. Him and Dobson were on a roll and then ran into a very fit and tough Tim Broe at the World Champs in Long Beach (which I was luckily enough to attend).

So I'd argue that your assessment in Hall is definitely off based. Hope you appreciate the little history lesson. People forget how on fire he was from 2005 until he wanted God to coach him.

for most of his carrer macca had a coach from france.
and crowie had a big team of advisers so i would not call this self coached.

Ryan Hall made infinitely more money than Joe Skipper therefore in my book he's a lot more successful. Let's not forget that Joe Skipper until recently barely made ends meet and recorded a whole podcast ranting against the cost of going to Kona. How else do you think he is flying the 15 hours to Kona if not in economy? I think triathlon is such a small world that some people completely lose perspective, make some athletes into amazing stars, and forget that "having a bike sponsor" in tri (which Skipper didn't have for a while) generally means you get a free bike.

Frankly, I can't believe Skipper didn't do this race. It is right up his alley and even had prize money. Where was he? It's like it was custom designed for him and he didn't participate.

He was an elite cat roadie over ten years ago - I am guessing he would have been late teens/early 20s at that point.

His road racing history is on here, you can click through the years using the drop down - Points - Individual (britishcycling.org.uk)

"I did my first Triathlon at the end of 2010 initially for a challenge, I wasn’t swimming or running but was cycling and fancied a challenge so entered a half ironman.
In 2011 I won the amateur British middle distance champs and Lucy Gossage persuaded me to race Pro, I couldn’t afford to enter races as an amateur and she said you get free entries and sometimes they will put you up."
http://joeskipper.co.uk/about-joe/

It was snarky, but not pink. It was more about how triathletes don't take strength training seriously enough to propel themselves forward.

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I remember one of his interviews with Bob Babbitt circa 2016-2017. He mentioned he felt amazing the race he broke 1 hour for the half marathon and he was never able to duplicate that feeling in a race his entire career.

Ferris Al Sultan? I believe he was self-coached and won Kona. Maybe he didn't have the longevity, but putting it together for a short time on his own is impressive.

This one is easy DAVE SCOTT. Dave not only did his own training program but shared most of it with us. Hell I am 80 years old just back from Kona still follow a lot of his teaching and wisdom.