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Mo Wilson was in Austin ahead of the Gravel Loco's 150 race that happened yesterday. Shot and killed on Wednesday evening. According to the article there is a suspect and it doesn't appear to have been a random event.

Over the last year or so I've listened to a few podcasts with her and she was so lovely. Until recently she had a regular full time job with Specialized. Only quit this year to focus on racing full-time. This year she had already won the Sea Otter mountain bike race (thus in the lead for the Lifetime series), BWR and likely would have been the favorite for UnBound. So tragic!

https://www.cyclingnews.com/...son-killed-in-texas/
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Re: Mo Wilson Killed in Austin [logella] [ In reply to ]
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Damn what a tragic outcome. Does anyone know what the hell happened?
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Re: Mo Wilson Killed in Austin [turdburgler] [ In reply to ]
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turdburgler wrote:
Damn what a tragic outcome. Does anyone know what the hell happened?

The police have kept a tight lid on the investigation. The speed at which a person of interest was identified and apparent lack of questions from family and friends lead me to believe it may be domestic violence related. So very tragic.
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Re: Mo Wilson Killed in Austin [SummitAK] [ In reply to ]
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Jesus.
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Re: Mo Wilson Killed in Austin [logella] [ In reply to ]
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Probably unrelated, but Amity Rockwell's instagram account has been deleted.
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Re: Mo Wilson Killed in Austin [turdburgler] [ In reply to ]
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Re: Mo Wilson Killed in Austin [avatar78] [ In reply to ]
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avatar78 wrote:
Probably unrelated, but Amity Rockwell's instagram account has been deleted.

Very much unrelated considering that Strava shows that Amity was in San Francisco on the day of the shooting.
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Re: Mo Wilson Killed in Austin [avatar78] [ In reply to ]
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avatar78 wrote:
Probably unrelated, but Amity Rockwell's instagram account has been deleted.

I noticed Amity, Maude, and a couple of Mo's other close friends have deleted their IG accounts. I suspect so that they can get away from the constant reminder and barrage on social and take some time to mourn and heal.
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Re: Mo Wilson Killed in Austin [RJones07] [ In reply to ]
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RJones07 wrote:
avatar78 wrote:
Probably unrelated, but Amity Rockwell's instagram account has been deleted.


I noticed Amity, Maude, and a couple of Mo's other close friends have deleted their IG accounts. I suspect so that they can get away from the constant reminder and barrage on social and take some time to mourn and heal.

100%. I think they're all devastated.
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Re: Mo Wilson Killed in Austin [Carl Spackler] [ In reply to ]
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According to the article, “the shooting does not appear to be a random actâ€. This would also make you think it was a domestic violence type situation. No matter the circumstances, it’s very sad news.

Also, looking at other news articles, I didn’t realize Austin was having rising problems with homicides. Interesting!
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Re: Mo Wilson Killed in Austin [EyeRunMD] [ In reply to ]
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EyeRunMD wrote:
According to the article, “the shooting does not appear to be a random actâ€. This would also make you think it was a domestic violence type situation. No matter the circumstances, it’s very sad news.

Also, looking at other news articles, I didn’t realize Austin was having rising problems with homicides. Interesting!

Also, the "there is no threat to the public" usually means they know who did it which usually means domestic violence of some sort.
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Re: Mo Wilson Killed in Austin [SummitAK] [ In reply to ]
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https://www.kxan.com/...ing-of-gravel-racer/

I don't know whether it was a "domestic violence" type situation, but I find it incredibly odd how little information has been released at this pioint. From what I've seen so far, it seems like a nearby camera recorded an SUV arriving at the house around 8:30 pm and the murder occurred about 10pm. A friend then found her when she returned to the house around 10:30 pm. The police have now searched a nearby home where the SUV was found parked. Even if this were a domestic situation, I find it odd that the police have not identified and put out some sort of BOLO for the "person of interest," i.e., the driver of the SUV. Even if they feel this person of interest is not a "threat to the public," like the APD previously stated in the article linked by another poster, it seems odd that they have not apprehended the person a week after the murder. As a side note, how can a police spokesperson claim that an unapprehended person who just shot and killed a woman is NOT a threat to the public?
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Re: Mo Wilson Killed in Austin [sake] [ In reply to ]
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https://www.kxan.com/news/local/austin/search-warrant-obtained-for-south-austin-home-after-deadly-shooting-of-gravel-racer/

I don't know whether it was a "domestic violence" type situation, but I find it incredibly odd how little information has been released at this pioint. From what I've seen so far, it seems like a nearby camera recorded an SUV arriving at the house around 8:30 pm and the murder occurred about 10pm. A friend then found her when she returned to the house around 10:30 pm. The police have now searched a nearby home where the SUV was found parked. Even if this were a domestic situation, I find it odd that the police have not identified and put out some sort of BOLO for the "person of interest," i.e., the driver of the SUV. Even if they feel this person of interest is not a "threat to the public," like the APD previously stated in the article linked by another poster, it seems odd that they have not apprehended the person a week after the murder. As a side note, how can a police spokesperson claim that an unapprehended person who just shot and killed a woman is NOT a threat to the public?

My guess is the person is lawyered up and has some sort of explanation for the situation.
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Re: Mo Wilson Killed in Austin [sake] [ In reply to ]
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sake wrote:
I find it odd that the police have not identified and put out some sort of BOLO for the "person of interest

What makes you think the police haven't been able to locate the person? It's possible, just haven't seen it.

This isn't unusual. The police may be questioning the person and gathering evidence before the person is converted from person-of-interest to suspect. While that process is underway, you don't want to release everything you know to the press so the people being questioned know what the police know.
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Re: Mo Wilson Killed in Austin [sake] [ In reply to ]
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The Austin Police Department stated the following on May 14th:
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On Wednesday, May 11, 2022, at approximately 9:56 P.M., Austin Police Department (APD Officers) responded to an emergency call at 1708 Maple Ave #B. A woman told 9-1-1 dispatch she returned home to find her friend bleeding and unconscious. Investigators arrived at the scene and discovered a 25-year-old female with multiple gunshot wounds. Officers and EMS performed life-saving measures. However, the victim died from her injuries. The victim is Anna Moriah Wilson. Wilson was pronounced deceased at 10:10 P.M. by Dr. Escott.

Therefore I believe the kxan article is mixing up the details a bit, as the shooting did not happen at 9:56, as by that time the friend had already placed the call. I believe the shooting must have happened between 8:36 and 9:56.
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Re: Mo Wilson Killed in Austin [141] [ In reply to ]
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Yeah, I caught that too and just sloppily summarized things. I looked at that address on google maps and there is a brand new townhouse with what appears to be outdoor cameras looking right over the area. I wonder if that is where APD got the video showing the SUV arrive. Sounds like they located the suspect's vehicle yesterday and started searching it and the house where it was located. They may or may not have located the person of interest, but I can't imagine that it will take too long to convert that person to "suspect in custody" once located as this does not seem like a "whodunit" type of case.
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Re: Mo Wilson Killed in Austin [sake] [ In reply to ]
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I hope as well that we get an update from the police soon. The whole story is shocking and hard to believe. As for the person having a lawyer and having an explanation, I struggle to find any plausible explanation. Even the most far fetched theory of self defense doesn't explain why one would leave a person to bleed out and die without calling police. It seems very clearly cold blooded murder.
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Re: Mo Wilson Killed in Austin [141] [ In reply to ]
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141 wrote:
I hope as well that we get an update from the police soon. The whole story is shocking and hard to believe. As for the person having a lawyer and having an explanation, I struggle to find any plausible explanation. Even the most far fetched theory of self defense doesn't explain why one would leave a person to bleed out and die without calling police. It seems very clearly cold blooded murder.

Well yeah, but life can be stranger than fiction some times.
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Re: Mo Wilson Killed in Austin [141] [ In reply to ]
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If rumors are true, the story gets far more shocking and no less tragic.

Word is the person of interest has been taking into custody, but haven't seen that verified in news coverage.
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Re: Mo Wilson Killed in Austin [2brokenhips] [ In reply to ]
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2brokenhips wrote:
In today's Boston Globe. Either the male cyclist or his female roommate did it? Vermont native slain in Texas had plans for a swim in the hours before she was killed, court documents say - The Boston Globe

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Re: Mo Wilson Killed in Austin [LEBoyd] [ In reply to ]
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Vermont native slain in Texas had plans for a swim in the hours before she was killed, court documents say
By Travis Andersen Globe Staff,Updated May 19, 2022, 1:19 p.m.


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Anna Moriah Wilson was a varsity skier at Dartmouth College.DARTMOUTH COLLEGE ATHLETICS
Anna Moriah Wilson, the 25-year-old Dartmouth graduate and professional gravel cyclist slain last week in Austin, Texas, days before a race, told a friend hours before her death that she was going for a swim with a male cyclist, according to legal filings that detailed Wilson’s final hours.
The information was contained in a police affidavit and warrant filed in Austin Municipal Court in connection with the case. No arrests have been made. Wilson was shot multiple times inside a friend’s apartment on Maple Avenue in Austin on the night of May 11, police have said.
Authorities have said the shooting did not appear to be random and that detectives have identified a person of interest.
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The affidavit said the friend told investigators she had picked up Wilson, a Vermont native, from the airport May 10, and that Wilson was in town to compete in a race May 14 in the Dallas area.
The friend, the affidavit said, indicated she left her apartment around 5:30 p.m. on May 11 and later received a text from Wilson who said she was meeting a male friend for a swim. The report names the male friend, but the Globe is withholding his name because he hasn’t been charged with a crime.
Wilson’s female friend told police she returned to her apartment shortly before 10 that night and saw Wilson lying on the bathroom floor “covered in blood,†said the affidavit. Wilson had apparently accessed the key code to enter her friend’s apartment at 5:55 p.m., the affidavit said.
The code was accessed again at 8:36 p.m., the filing said. A neighbor’s surveillance footage showed an SUV pulling up to the Maple Avenue apartment at that time, and the vehicle resembled an SUV registered to a woman who lives with the male cyclist, according to the affidavit.
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Police learned that the woman owns a property in Austin on Manchester Circle, the affidavit said, and they obtained a warrant to search that residence the day after the murder, with legal filings indicating they were seeking possible firearm, blood, and trace evidence connected to the slaying.
It wasn’t immediately clear what, if anything, police seized from the Manchester Circle property.
The affidavit said Wilson was shot multiple times with a 9mm handgun. The male cyclist, in an interview with police the day after the murder, said he and the woman he lives with both own 9mm guns, according to the affidavit.
The male cyclist, the affidavit said, told police he and the woman he lives with had purchased their handguns at McBride’s gun store in Austin. He stated that he usually keeps the gun inside a case in the residence and has never shot it. He said he has two different types of ammunition, which he described as practice ammunition and ‘kill’ ammunition.â€
The male cyclist told police he went swimming with Wilson at a city pool before dropping her off at her friend’s residence around 8:30 p.m. on May 11.
Attempts to reach the male cyclist and the woman he lives with for comment weren’t successful Thursday.
Wilson was an accomplished collegiate skier who grew up mountain biking near her East Burke, Vt., home. She had won several off-road cycling events this year and arrived in Texas as a favorite in her next race.
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Her death came just a few days before Gravel Locos, a 150-mile race in Hico, Texas.
Her parents, Eric and Karen Wilson, said in a recent statement posted to the Facebook page of the middle school their daughter attended that she was always “pushing tirelessly to reach her goals, we knew she was pursuing that which she loved. We will miss her terribly and know that all mourn her with us.â€
A number of Wilson’s friends and competitors in the close-knit cycling community have taken to social media in recent days to offer tributes, including former cycling teammate Alison M. Tetrick.
“All of the moments and times and pedaling spent together were cherished then and treasured now and forever,†Tetrick posted to Instagram on Monday. “The world seems so much smaller without you, @mo__wilson. Nothing seems as important as just being able to see you and witness all of your gracious and kind power. To know you are thriving in all you wanted to do.â€
Tetrick said Wilson possessed thoughtfulness and warmth.
“You were and are pure magical magnetic strength and humility,†Tetrick wrote. “I have never met someone that tackled every course and task with such pure, peaceful joy, and tenacity. ... We became @iamspecialized teammates, colleagues, friends, and committed bike family. Your life was just getting started and it was bigger than this world deserved. I am devastated and đŸ’”. I pray for your family and all of us who loved you and were inspired by you.â€
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Tetrick also shared some of the final words she had exchanged with Wilson.
“Some of the last words we had just a little bit ago was similar to what I said when I first met you. ‘You are stronger than you know. Own it. I am so goddamn proud of you. And I love you,’ †Tetrick wrote. “You told me to keep being me and you loved me.â€
Wilson’s slaying, Tetrick continued, was a “senseless†tragedy.
“Maybe the world couldn’t harness everything you were supposed to be,†wrote Tetrick. “I am angry and lost. But I will try my best to keep being me for YOU. I love you, Mo. I always will. In my â¤ï¸, we are still sitting on this curb or pedaling along with laughter as you charge up the hills and keep discovering more strength than ever thought possible and spreading your light and joy to all. Charge on my dear friend. We love you. You are our family. May we carry your â­ï¸ with us forever. It will not be the same without you.â€
Material from prior Globe stories was used in this report.
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Re: Mo Wilson Killed in Austin [2brokenhips] [ In reply to ]
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So the cyclist's girlfriend did it...

or he did it?

No wonder it's taking some time to sort things out.

I would imagine it could complicate things if the murderer used the gun of their partner rather than their own gun.
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Re: Mo Wilson Killed in Austin [2brokenhips] [ In reply to ]
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im hearing of a "famous" gravel racer and his GF.

She pulled the trigger...he did NOT turn her in.

stay tuned.

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Re: Mo Wilson Killed in Austin [trukweaz] [ In reply to ]
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trukweaz wrote:
im hearing of a "famous" gravel racer and his GF.

She pulled the trigger...he did NOT turn her in.

stay tuned.

be careful here. do not attempt to identify anyone. do not attempt to describe someone in a way that he or she could be identified by the description.

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Re: Mo Wilson Killed in Austin [Slowman] [ In reply to ]
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10-4 lots of famous folks around

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Re: Mo Wilson Killed in Austin [trukweaz] [ In reply to ]
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trukweaz wrote:
10-4 lots of famous folks around

Well more like "famous" :) I'm not sure if more than a handful of cyclists are famous, if that, in the US.
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Re: Mo Wilson Killed in Austin [ThisIsIt] [ In reply to ]
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I'm putting two and two together and getting about four hundred and seventy, so Dan's warning is pretty appropriate
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Re: Mo Wilson Killed in Austin [Slowman] [ In reply to ]
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Thanks, Dan.

I was going to say that I was proud of the Slowtwitch community for showing great restraint in not throwing a bunch of names around. That gets more difficult as this drags out. I can’t imagine the pain and anguish Mo’s family and friends are feeling.
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Re: Mo Wilson Killed in Austin [Slowman] [ In reply to ]
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The name(s) are well known already as anyone who follows the gravel scene can put it together.
But until an arrest is made I get it...
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Re: Mo Wilson Killed in Austin [altayloraus] [ In reply to ]
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altayloraus wrote:
I'm putting two and two together and getting about four hundred and seventy, so Dan's warning is pretty appropriate

I'm so out of touch these days I don't think I could name a current professional domestic cyclist.
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Re: Mo Wilson Killed in Austin [NordicSkier] [ In reply to ]
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Well now... warrant issued:

https://www.velonews.com/...-wilson-murder-case/
Last edited by: NordicSkier: May 24, 22 8:21
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Re: Mo Wilson Killed in Austin [NordicSkier] [ In reply to ]
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I just saw this. Wow. Such a crazy and sad story

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Re: Mo Wilson Killed in Austin [Chemist] [ In reply to ]
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This seems crazier than I could have even imagined. Unless there is more to the story between Mo and the male, it really just sounds like she arrived in Austin on May 10th / 11th, went swimming with the male, and was killed by the female due to jealousy? Just because she went swimming with him?
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Re: Mo Wilson Killed in Austin [141] [ In reply to ]
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I am going to echo a comment from earlier. I really appreciate the restraint and lack of speculation on here thus far.

This is such a horribly tragic story. That actually occurs not infrequently. It just happens to have landed on the doorsteps of folks that many of us all seek out and gain enjoyment and encouragement from.

I feel such sadness for her, her devastated family, and then for those now involved. I will just wait for more details.
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Re: Mo Wilson Killed in Austin [WannaB] [ In reply to ]
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Agreed - I would also say that we might need some clarification from Dan at what point things move from speculation to reporting facts, and if that is allowed. The legal docs are out there, and many news sources have named names at this point. I suspect we will have significant interest in this thread, so a refresh on what/when certain things are allowed would potentially be a good idea. Obviously, no one wants to disrespect the rules, but I am not sure we have had a situation like this before to know where the line is. Regardless, this is a horrible story, and maybe even more horrible from the narrative that is being drawn.
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Re: Mo Wilson Killed in Austin [141] [ In reply to ]
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yes, there is a lot more.

per above i dont want to get in trouble with the bosses.

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Re: Mo Wilson Killed in Austin [logella] [ In reply to ]
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From the Austin Statesman:

"Armstrong's arrest affidavit says that she dates [Colin Strickland] with whom Wilson had gone swimming with hours before Wilson was found dead. The affidavit says Wilson had been romantically involved with [Strickland] while [Strickland] and Armstrong were separated."

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Re: Mo Wilson Killed in Austin [refthimos] [ In reply to ]
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more here - https://twitter.com/...440385609728/photo/1

dont shoot the messenger

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Re: Mo Wilson Killed in Austin [l'arbitrageur] [ In reply to ]
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l'arbitrageur wrote:
Agreed - I would also say that we might need some clarification from Dan at what point things move from speculation to reporting facts, and if that is allowed. The legal docs are out there, and many news sources have named names at this point. I suspect we will have significant interest in this thread, so a refresh on what/when certain things are allowed would potentially be a good idea. Obviously, no one wants to disrespect the rules, but I am not sure we have had a situation like this before to know where the line is. Regardless, this is a horrible story, and maybe even more horrible from the narrative that is being drawn.

you can include identifications here if they have been already reported in a mainstream or reputable news organization, as long as what you say here is that the austin statesman or velo news reported that [fill in the blank], and you can name here those who law enforcement has named. and that has apparently happened. what we don't want to do here is speculate if that speculation includes the identification of a particular person. we ought also to remember that a person is not guilty until he or she has either confessed his or her guilt, or been found guilty through a legal process.

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Re: Mo Wilson Killed in Austin [Slowman] [ In reply to ]
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Look Kaitlin Marie Armstrong charged: daily beast article https://apple.news/AD0XyRTrQTA2BO589KrUOgA
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Re: Mo Wilson Killed in Austin [hubcaps] [ In reply to ]
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the question now - where is Ms Armstrong?

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Re: Mo Wilson Killed in Austin [refthimos] [ In reply to ]
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The affidavit itself provides a lot of detail. To be clear, none of it is established as fact in a court of law, but it is the sworn statement of law enforcement.





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Re: Mo Wilson Killed in Austin [trukweaz] [ In reply to ]
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trukweaz wrote:
the question now - where is Ms Armstrong?

Given the possibility of the death penalty in Texas and proximity of Austin to the Mexican border, I have a good guess.
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Re: Mo Wilson Killed in Austin [NordicSkier] [ In reply to ]
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i too have heard that - sounds like the let her leave initial questioning.

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Re: Mo Wilson Killed in Austin [trukweaz] [ In reply to ]
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Re: Mo Wilson Killed in Austin [refthimos] [ In reply to ]
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refthimos wrote:
The affidavit itself provides a lot of detail. To be clear, none of it is established as fact in a court of law, but it is the sworn statement of law enforcement.





https://www.reddit.com/...iossmf&context=3

There are some interesting comments here. The guy should probably be on a mental health watch at minimum.
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Re: Mo Wilson Killed in Austin [Ohio_Roadie] [ In reply to ]
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Well I suppose I had the jealous cyclist part right, wrong cyclist though, sorry Amity. Colin doesn't come off too well in the affidavit, eh? What is it that's so irresistible about him? I mean, sure, he's got the lantern jaw. Yes, he's 6'2". True, he's a super-fast cyclist.

Hmm.


On an unrelated note, anyone have his contact deets? Asking for a friend.

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Re: Mo Wilson Killed in Austin [avatar78] [ In reply to ]
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Geez. Poor Mo. (To be pedantic, poor user of reddit named "wilson-mo" who was in a long distance relationship with a guy who was concurrently dating another woman.)

https://www.reddit.com/user/wilson-mo/
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Re: Mo Wilson Killed in Austin [avatar78] [ In reply to ]
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Re: Mo Wilson Killed in Austin [logella] [ In reply to ]
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Running off to Mexico is easy. The hard part comes next.
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Re: Mo Wilson Killed in Austin [kny] [ In reply to ]
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One website is reporting that she was tracked through Strava.
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Re: Mo Wilson Killed in Austin [Ohio_Roadie] [ In reply to ]
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Ohio_Roadie wrote:


https://www.reddit.com/...iossmf&context=3

There are some interesting comments here. The guy should probably be on a mental health watch at minimum.

My favorite thing about reddit is that everything on it is always accurate.

I get the desire to speculate and all but... I dunno. Doesn't seem like this particular rabbit hole is worth going down.

Crappy story overall. RIP.
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Re: Mo Wilson Killed in Austin [NAB777] [ In reply to ]
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NAB777 wrote:
One website is reporting that she was tracked through Strava.

Careful - unless you can point us to the website with that conclusion, I believe accounts are stating that since Wilson posted a public Strava ride departing and returning to the apartment where she was killed, Armstrong could have known where she was staying from her Strave ride, not necessarily that she was tracked through Strava.

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Re: Mo Wilson Killed in Austin [refthimos] [ In reply to ]
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Based on the timeline in the affidavit, it certainly seems like Armstrong may have been real time tracking at least one of them. Good chance it was through Find My Friends or another phone app.


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8:35 PM - Strickland drives northbound through the alleyway, north of East 18m St, on his motorcycle
8:36PM - The unique code given to Wilson is used to unlock Cash's door to her residence
8:37PM - Armstrong's vehicle appears to stop next to Cash's residence
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Re: Mo Wilson Killed in Austin [logella] [ In reply to ]
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logella wrote:
Based on the timeline in the affidavit, it certainly seems like Armstrong may have been real time tracking at least one of them. Good chance it was through Find My Friends or another phone app.


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8:35 PM - Strickland drives northbound through the alleyway, north of East 18m St, on his motorcycle
8:36PM - The unique code given to Wilson is used to unlock Cash's door to her residence
8:37PM - Armstrong's vehicle appears to stop next to Cash's residence


Or she went old school and just followed them.
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Re: Mo Wilson Killed in Austin [logella] [ In reply to ]
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NY Times now covering it: https://www.nytimes.com/...shooting-austin.html
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Re: Mo Wilson Killed in Austin [NordicSkier] [ In reply to ]
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NordicSkier wrote:
Well now... warrant issued:

https://www.velonews.com/...-wilson-murder-case/

If I read correctly, the suspect was also the landlord of the apartment, so she would have had the key code to enter. Oy vey.

I imagine you read it correctly, but that's a far cry from VeloNews having the story correct. I wouldn't take anything they write re: this story as being accurate.
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Re: Mo Wilson Killed in Austin [NordicSkier] [ In reply to ]
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NordicSkier wrote:
Well now... warrant issued:

https://www.velonews.com/...-wilson-murder-case/

If I read correctly, the suspect was also the landlord of the apartment, so she would have had the key code to enter. Oy vey.

I believe you read incorrectly.

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Re: Mo Wilson Killed in Austin [H-] [ In reply to ]
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H- wrote:
NordicSkier wrote:
Well now... warrant issued:

https://www.velonews.com/...-wilson-murder-case/

If I read correctly, the suspect was also the landlord of the apartment, so she would have had the key code to enter. Oy vey.


I believe you read incorrectly.


Yes, didn't they contact the landlord a couple of days after the murder and got some more information from him? Must have been in the affidavit since that's about all I've read on this?
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Re: Mo Wilson Killed in Austin [Bob Loblaw] [ In reply to ]
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Bob Loblaw wrote:


NY Times now covering it: https://www.nytimes.com/...shooting-austin.html

Plus the national morning shows like Good Morning America, and even the local news here in Nashville.

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Re: Mo Wilson Killed in Austin [kny] [ In reply to ]
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The whole thing is crazy and sad. So someone purportedly kills someone to have “a lover†to themselves, but then has to run far away from that lover and likely will never see that person again because they are hunted by the police and likely end up in jail

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Running off to Mexico is easy. The hard part comes next.
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The whole thing is crazy and sad. So someone purportedly kills someone to have “a lover†to themselves, but then has to run far away from that lover and likely will never see that person again because they are hunted by the police and likely end up in jail

kny wrote:
Running off to Mexico is easy. The hard part comes next.


Yeah that's what I don't get about people who do these type of things. Call it a "crime of passion" if you will but the thinking it through part of the equation is not there. Once ths crime is commited, there's no turning back....ever. The other person is dead, your life is essentially over (either on the run, in jail, or awaiting the death penalty). One vicious act and your entire life is done! I'll never understand this.
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Herbert wrote:
The whole thing is crazy and sad. So someone purportedly kills someone to have “a lover†to themselves, but then has to run far away from that lover and likely will never see that person again because they are hunted by the police and likely end up in jail

kny wrote:
Running off to Mexico is easy. The hard part comes next.



Yeah that's what I don't get about people who do these type of things. Call it a "crime of passion" if you will but the thinking it through part of the equation is not there. Once ths crime is commited, there's no turning back....ever. The other person is dead, your life is essentially over (either on the run, in jail, or awaiting the death penalty). One vicious act and your entire life is done! I'll never understand this.

These people aren't rational people or at least not in the state they are in, and in this case she sounded particularly possessive. Terrible situation. I've personally been in a similar situation where a guy called me, from his partners phone, and told me to stay away. Guy definitely had possessiveness to his partner and controlled her thru money and he definitely had the means to do anything. There was a period of time where I just always sort of kept a watchful eye around my surroundings because I legitimately thought he might try to do something similar. I'm really sort of surprised, given Mo had fielded some threatening phone calls, that she even agreed to go swim. Just playing with fire.

Did a search on here for this, but it doesn't seem we ever had a thread on the death of Mary Knott, who was pretty well known triathlete who died in a murder-suicide. https://www.oxygen.com/...cide-by-ex-boyfriend


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The whole thing is crazy and sad. So someone purportedly kills someone to have “a lover†to themselves, but then has to run far away from that lover and likely will never see that person again because they are hunted by the police and likely end up in jail

kny wrote:
Running off to Mexico is easy. The hard part comes next.

There's also the possibility she killed herself already.

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Re: Mo Wilson Killed in Austin [The GMAN] [ In reply to ]
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I get that too - but if you kill yourself after how do you get that “object of lust and desire?â€
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I get that too - but if you kill yourself after how do you get that “object of lust and desire?â€

I don't think rational and logical thinking is one of her strengths.

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She might see him again. In her current state of mind (which may be her "normal" state of mind), and knowing she has nothing to lose, I wouldn't rule out another murder and then suicide.

Just a horrible and terrible tragedy. I feel awful for the Wilson family -- losing someone so young is gut-wrenching, then add in the horrific circumstances and publicity.

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I find it odd that the police have not identified and put out some sort of BOLO for the "person of interest

What makes you think the police haven't been able to locate the person? It's possible, just haven't seen it.

This isn't unusual. The police may be questioning the person and gathering evidence before the person is converted from person-of-interest to suspect. While that process is underway, you don't want to release everything you know to the press so the people being questioned know what the police know.

This. Hold back evidence can be key when you are pursuing other investigative techniques like U/C and wiretaps.

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Re: Mo Wilson Killed in Austin [Thomas Gerlach] [ In reply to ]
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EyeRunMD wrote:
Herbert wrote:
The whole thing is crazy and sad. So someone purportedly kills someone to have “a lover†to themselves, but then has to run far away from that lover and likely will never see that person again because they are hunted by the police and likely end up in jail

kny wrote:
Running off to Mexico is easy. The hard part comes next.



Yeah that's what I don't get about people who do these type of things. Call it a "crime of passion" if you will but the thinking it through part of the equation is not there. Once ths crime is commited, there's no turning back....ever. The other person is dead, your life is essentially over (either on the run, in jail, or awaiting the death penalty). One vicious act and your entire life is done! I'll never understand this.


These people aren't rational people or at least not in the state they are in, and in this case she sounded particularly possessive. Terrible situation. I've personally been in a similar situation where a guy called me, from his partners phone, and told me to stay away. Guy definitely had possessiveness to his partner and controlled her thru money and he definitely had the means to do anything. There was a period of time where I just always sort of kept a watchful eye around my surroundings because I legitimately thought he might try to do something similar. I'm really sort of surprised, given Mo had fielded some threatening phone calls, that she even agreed to go swim. Just playing with fire.

Did a search on here for this, but it doesn't seem we ever had a thread on the death of Mary Knott, who was pretty well known triathlete who died in a murder-suicide. https://www.oxygen.com/...cide-by-ex-boyfriend

You don't say if the guy's concerns were valid or not :)
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I get that too - but if you kill yourself after how do you get that “object of lust and desire?â€

The "passion" is not about fulfilling a romantic passion, but rather, passion means uncontrollable emotion, in this case Kaitlin Armstrong's jealousy. The emotion overrides reason.

From, for example, wikipedia:

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A crime of passion (French: crime passionnel), in popular usage, refers to a violent crime, especially homicide, in which the perpetrator commits the act against someone because of sudden strong impulse such as anger rather than as a premeditated crime.


Here's a story about five crazy crimes of passion, I can't vouch for any, except I certainly remember Amy Fisher and Joey Buttafuoco. Includes one lady in Belgium sabotaging her romantic competitors parachute. I'd guess one of the earliest literature references to a crime of passion is the story of Cain and Abel.

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Did a search on here for this, but it doesn't seem we ever had a thread on the death of Mary Knott, who was pretty well known triathlete who died in a murder-suicide. https://www.oxygen.com/...cide-by-ex-boyfriend

That one also essentially caused the downfall of the Transitions forum. Not that I am trying to compare that to a loss of life in any way.
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Re: Mo Wilson Killed in Austin [logella] [ In reply to ]
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Sponsor cuts ties with Strickland.

https://www.velonews.com/...M8UZLinDUxjybU8t67NU


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Sponsor cuts ties with Strickland.

https://www.velonews.com/...M8UZLinDUxjybU8t67NU

I'm one of those "it depends" cancel culture folks. I feel this one is way way too soon. Whackadoodle girlfriend nets you a loss of your job essentially? That's ridiculous.

I'm sure he won't be able to sue though as they probably have some kind of "image" related clauses in their contracts to give them an out.
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Conservative fantasies aside ("cancel culture?" seriously?) image is what sports sponsorship is all about, isn't it?
An acknowledged liar who bought the murder weapon doesn't fit the bill.
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burnthesheep wrote:
Longboarder wrote:
Sponsor cuts ties with Strickland.

https://www.velonews.com/...M8UZLinDUxjybU8t67NU


I'm one of those "it depends" cancel culture folks. I feel this one is way way too soon. Whackadoodle girlfriend nets you a loss of your job essentially? That's ridiculous.

I'm sure he won't be able to sue though as they probably have some kind of "image" related clauses in their contracts to give them an out.


It all boils down to this...

"Hey aren't you the company sponsoring the dude that cheated on his girlfriend which lead to girlfriend murdering the other woman with a gun he bought for her?"

Not something any company wants to hear about someone they're sponsoring.

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At the bare minimum, it's tough to sell the image of "Privateer Pickup Artist" to the sponsors in 2022

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Conservative fantasies aside ("cancel culture?" seriously?) image is what sports sponsorship is all about, isn't it?
An acknowledged liar who bought the murder weapon doesn't fit the bill.

Totally agree on the image part. The second part is a nod to "guilty until proven innocent" and speculation.

Cancel culture isn't a fantasy. I'm a liberal. It does exist. I just vehemently disagree with the right with when they choose to be upset about it versus when I do.
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At the bare minimum, it's tough to sell the image of "Privateer Pickup Artist" to the sponsors in 2022

Particularly when it contributes to someone getting murdered.
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At the bare minimum, it's tough to sell the image of "Privateer Pickup Artist" to the sponsors in 2022


Particularly when it contributes to someone getting murdered.

I feel dumb now as I hadn't heard about the gun ownership implication part prior. I kept seeing it in the last couple comments and thinking "what is all this about".

The articles I had read had not included that, yet. That changes things more than a little bit.
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If you read the police affidavit that was floated around he bought a gun for himself and a gun for her. Granted I get it's Texas, but man he knew his girlfriend was calling and harassing her.....and he was still running around with her.....and then he buys her a gun.

I'd be shocked if Wilson's family doesn't try to go after him in civil court over her death because he was just asking for something to escalate.
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If you read the police affidavit that was floated around he bought a gun for himself and a gun for her. Granted I get it's Texas, but man he knew his girlfriend was calling and harassing her.....and he was still running around with her.....and then he buys her a gun.

I'd be shocked if Wilson's family doesn't try to go after him in civil court over her death because he was just asking for something to escalate.

If only there was a good guy there with a gun
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If you read the police affidavit that was floated around he bought a gun for himself and a gun for her. Granted I get it's Texas, but man he knew his girlfriend was calling and harassing her.....and he was still running around with her.....and then he buys her a gun.

I'd be shocked if Wilson's family doesn't try to go after him in civil court over her death because he was just asking for something to escalate.

Where Texas or Vermont (I think that's where she was from)? I think that might have an influence on the outcome.
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Re: Mo Wilson Killed in Austin [The GMAN] [ In reply to ]
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This sums it up.

Every time his name gets mentioned it will be bring up thoughts of this case not his sporting achievements. Nobody wants their brand linked to that. Rightly or wrongly I’d be amazed if any marketing department ever go within a mile of him.
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Where Texas or Vermont (I think that's where she was from)? I think that might have an influence on the outcome.

I'm not a lawyer but my understanding you have to serve and try a case in the jurisdiction of the defendent for civil cases. He lives in Texas so it would be Texas.
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Longboarder wrote:
Sponsor cuts ties with Strickland.

https://www.velonews.com/...M8UZLinDUxjybU8t67NU

I'm one of those "it depends" cancel culture folks. I feel this one is way way too soon. Whackadoodle girlfriend nets you a loss of your job essentially? That's ridiculous.

I'm sure he won't be able to sue though as they probably have some kind of "image" related clauses in their contracts to give them an out.

Sure. But right or wrong, it’s a no brainer for sponsors. They’ll just sponsor another athlete who is not in the spotlight for something negative.
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the sponsors probably paid Colin the penalties, provided by the contract, in the event of early termination
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Re: Mo Wilson Killed in Austin [Toolish] [ In reply to ]
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Thomas Gerlach wrote:

Did a search on here for this, but it doesn't seem we ever had a thread on the death of Mary Knott, who was pretty well known triathlete who died in a murder-suicide. https://www.oxygen.com/...cide-by-ex-boyfriend


That one also essentially caused the downfall of the Transitions forum. Not that I am trying to compare that to a loss of life in any way.

Holy Sh*t... I knew that Hilton died, but I didn't know the rest of it.
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the sponsors probably paid Colin the penalties, provided by the contract, in the event of early termination

Not necessarily. It's not uncommon for sponsorship agreements to have a morality clause which would allow for termination without penalty.
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Herbert wrote:
The whole thing is crazy and sad. So someone purportedly kills someone to have “a lover†to themselves, but then has to run far away from that lover and likely will never see that person again because they are hunted by the police and likely end up in jail

kny wrote:
Running off to Mexico is easy. The hard part comes next.


Yeah that's what I don't get about people who do these type of things. Call it a "crime of passion" if you will but the thinking it through part of the equation is not there.


I can confirm this

Although it wasn't the husband that came after me*, it was my ex-girlfriend, herself, blaming me when her husband wouldn't take her back

I guess she figured that if I was gone, he'd trust her again? I don't know; I didn't ask



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Re: Mo Wilson Killed in Austin [The GMAN] [ In reply to ]
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Herbert wrote:
The whole thing is crazy and sad. So someone purportedly kills someone to have “a lover†to themselves, but then has to run far away from that lover and likely will never see that person again because they are hunted by the police and likely end up in jail

kny wrote:
Running off to Mexico is easy. The hard part comes next.


There's also the possibility she killed herself already.

Probably not in Mexico...and not in Austin as authorities suggested yesterday...https://www.kxan.com/news/local/austin/murder-suspect-flew-out-of-austin-to-new-york-days-after-cyclists-death/

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At the bare minimum, it's tough to sell the image of "Privateer Pickup Artist" to the sponsors in 2022

Except Red Bull. :)
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At the bare minimum, it's tough to sell the image of "Privateer Pickup Artist" to the sponsors in 2022


Except Red Bull. :)

i have observed with interest this brand's recent decisions.

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At the bare minimum, it's tough to sell the image of "Privateer Pickup Artist" to the sponsors in 2022


Except Red Bull. :)


i have observed with interest this brand's recent decisions.

No joke, Horner...ewww :D

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The GMAN wrote:
Herbert wrote:
The whole thing is crazy and sad. So someone purportedly kills someone to have “a lover†to themselves, but then has to run far away from that lover and likely will never see that person again because they are hunted by the police and likely end up in jail

kny wrote:
Running off to Mexico is easy. The hard part comes next.


There's also the possibility she killed herself already.


Probably not in Mexico...and not in Austin as authorities suggested yesterday...https://www.kxan.com/news/local/austin/murder-suspect-flew-out-of-austin-to-new-york-days-after-cyclists-death/

The US Marshals Fugitive Task Force is very good at finding people. They would have already known if she hopped on another flight so not likely given the article.

I wonder if she took a drive to Canada.

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Re: Mo Wilson Killed in Austin [The GMAN] [ In reply to ]
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I wonder if she took a drive to Canada.

Her passport would be flagged so she would have to cross outside of a border crossing.
She would still get arrested and held, but I'm pretty sure Canada doesn't extradite unless the death penalty is taken off the table.
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The GMAN wrote:
I wonder if she took a drive to Canada.

Her passport would be flagged so she would have to cross outside of a border crossing.
She would still get arrested and held, but I'm pretty sure Canada doesn't extradite unless the death penalty is taken off the table.

There was no warrant for her arrest yet.

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NordicSkier wrote:
The GMAN wrote:

I wonder if she took a drive to Canada.


Her passport would be flagged so she would have to cross outside of a border crossing.
She would still get arrested and held, but I'm pretty sure Canada doesn't extradite unless the death penalty is taken off the table.


There was no warrant for her arrest yet.

US Marshals just have to ask the CBSA if she crossed. They would already know if she was in Canada and article does not say that.
So, if she's in Canada, she didn't use a border checkpoint.
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If you’re crossing in a vehicle they don’t always put you in the system. Often times they just look at the passport and wave you through.

Just spitballing why they may not know she’s in Canada. Most likely she’s somewhere in the NYC area and didn’t risk a border crossing.

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but I'm pretty sure Canada doesn't extradite unless the death penalty is taken off the table.


I'm not a legal expert, but given Texas law, I don't think a prosecutor would seek capital punishment for the type of murder she apparently committed. So taking it "off the table" may (in theory) be a non-issue. (e.g. here's a description of the Texas "capital murder")
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Re: Mo Wilson Killed in Austin [The GMAN] [ In reply to ]
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What the f....

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The Austin police department revealed Wednesday that Kaitlin Armstrong — the suspect wanted in the murder of gravel star Moriah “Mo†Wilson — could already be in police custody except a birth date discrepancy prevented her from being arrested.
In a press conference Wednesday, police officials said that their “report management system†showed Armstrong to have a birth date in April that did not match the date of birth on an unrelated misdemeanor warrant that police used to bring her in for questioning.
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Police investigators interviewed her on May 12, just one day after Wilson was found shot dead in a friend’s apartment in Austin.
“Because of the discrepancy, we couldn’t arrest her,†an officer said Wednesday.
Nearly two weeks after Wilson’s murder, Armstrong has since gone on the lam.

https://www.velonews.com/...-wilson-murder-case/

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What the f....

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The Austin police department revealed Wednesday that Kaitlin Armstrong — the suspect wanted in the murder of gravel star Moriah “Mo†Wilson — could already be in police custody except a birth date discrepancy prevented her from being arrested.
In a press conference Wednesday, police officials said that their “report management system†showed Armstrong to have a birth date in April that did not match the date of birth on an unrelated misdemeanor warrant that police used to bring her in for questioning.
...
Police investigators interviewed her on May 12, just one day after Wilson was found shot dead in a friend’s apartment in Austin.
“Because of the discrepancy, we couldn’t arrest her,†an officer said Wednesday.
Nearly two weeks after Wilson’s murder, Armstrong has since gone on the lam.

https://www.velonews.com/...-wilson-murder-case/

This is probably why APD came out right away and said there was no threat to the community. Which is typical when detectives have already identified a prime suspect and that suspect is already in custody or has been arrested on an unrelated warrant/probation violation. If not for a clerical error she would be off the streets. The hunt continues until she slips up.
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What the f....

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The Austin police department revealed Wednesday that Kaitlin Armstrong — the suspect wanted in the murder of gravel star Moriah “Mo†Wilson — could already be in police custody except a birth date discrepancy prevented her from being arrested.
In a press conference Wednesday, police officials said that their “report management system†showed Armstrong to have a birth date in April that did not match the date of birth on an unrelated misdemeanor warrant that police used to bring her in for questioning.
...
Police investigators interviewed her on May 12, just one day after Wilson was found shot dead in a friend’s apartment in Austin.
“Because of the discrepancy, we couldn’t arrest her,†an officer said Wednesday.
Nearly two weeks after Wilson’s murder, Armstrong has since gone on the lam.

https://www.velonews.com/...-wilson-murder-case/

What was the unrelated misdemeanor warrant though? Was it something made up to bring her in? I know this case is seemingly clear cut, but allowing police to do sloppy work when they have the governmental granted power to ruin or end lives is a recipe for disaster.

Let's imagine some with another common name, 'John Smith' is brought in for a misdemeanor but the birthdate written by the officer oes not match the license. Is it possible the cop made a careless mistake? Of course. Is is possible they have the wrong John Smith? Of course. In America the presumption is innocent until proven guilty. The cops did not prove they had the correct guilty person, therefore no arrest. Don't be mad at the system, be mad at the sloppy work by the police.

Also, it says she had a Class-B arrest warrant. I have to believe this means a Bench Warrant. No idea what hers was for, but people have gotten Bench Warrants for things like unpaid parking tickets.

Really this sounds to me like she got away not because of holes in the system, but because there was not yet enough evidence collected for her arrest.
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someone forwarded me the article in the Austin Statesman with the full affidavit for the arrest warrant. cyclist bro could end up being charged as an accessory as well. Such a terrible story.
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Really this sounds to me like she got away not because of holes in the system, but because there was not yet enough evidence collected for her arrest.

Pretty much the exact opposite of ...



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jmh wrote:
What the f....

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The Austin police department revealed Wednesday that Kaitlin Armstrong — the suspect wanted in the murder of gravel star Moriah “Mo†Wilson — could already be in police custody except a birth date discrepancy prevented her from being arrested.
In a press conference Wednesday, police officials said that their “report management system†showed Armstrong to have a birth date in April that did not match the date of birth on an unrelated misdemeanor warrant that police used to bring her in for questioning.
...
Police investigators interviewed her on May 12, just one day after Wilson was found shot dead in a friend’s apartment in Austin.
“Because of the discrepancy, we couldn’t arrest her,†an officer said Wednesday.
Nearly two weeks after Wilson’s murder, Armstrong has since gone on the lam.

https://www.velonews.com/...-wilson-murder-case/


What was the unrelated misdemeanor warrant though? Was it something made up to bring her in? I know this case is seemingly clear cut, but allowing police to do sloppy work when they have the governmental granted power to ruin or end lives is a recipe for disaster.

Let's imagine some with another common name, 'John Smith' is brought in for a misdemeanor but the birthdate written by the officer oes not match the license. Is it possible the cop made a careless mistake? Of course. Is is possible they have the wrong John Smith? Of course. In America the presumption is innocent until proven guilty. The cops did not prove they had the correct guilty person, therefore no arrest. Don't be mad at the system, be mad at the sloppy work by the police.

Also, it says she had a Class-B arrest warrant. I have to believe this means a Bench Warrant. No idea what hers was for, but people have gotten Bench Warrants for things like unpaid parking tickets.

Really this sounds to me like she got away not because of holes in the system, but because there was not yet enough evidence collected for her arrest.

I wonder too at what point she became the main suspect as opposed to the guy? I mean, it's almost always the guy doing the killing in these sorts of circumstances, it wouldn't surprise me if they were focused on him.
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If you read the police affidavit that was floated around he bought a gun for himself and a gun for her. Granted I get it's Texas, but man he knew his girlfriend was calling and harassing her.....and he was still running around with her.....and then he buys her a gun.

I'd be shocked if Wilson's family doesn't try to go after him in civil court over her death because he was just asking for something to escalate.


Pretty sure it's not legal to buy a handgun for another person, at least not from a licensed dealer. He would have either had to lie on his background check / disclosure paperwork or buy on the secondary market.
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Pretty sure it's not legal to buy a handgun for another person, at least not from a licensed dealer. He would have either had to lie on his background check / disclosure paperwork or buy on the secondary market.

Again NAL but from my understanding it's perfectly legal to buy a new gun from a dealer in which you intend to give as a gift assuming the person is not barred from owning one and you both live in the same state. So unless she was already flagged as a person not legally allowed to have a gun, totally legal since it was a dealer and it was new. When I last bought a gun (in New England) I was asked if It was for me or someone else. No idea if I said "for my wife/girlfriend/whatever" how it would have changed the sale, I presume would have to give them the information for a background check in them as well.

My brief Google search confirmed this from the national shooting sports foundation. I am suspect that Texas has any law forbidding the purchase either but I've been wrong.
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I wonder too at what point she became the main suspect as opposed to the guy?


Very quickly, from a read of the affidavit. Murder on the 11th, Armstrong interviewed on the 12th with the detective saying that "things don't look too good" for her.
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I imagine they have video of him dropping Mo off on his motorcycle following their swim/dinner "date" and then Armstrong's Jeep shows up minutes later. I've only seen a still picture of the Jeep in an article so I"m not sure exactly what is shown on video, but I think law enforcenmenty could easily verify his story via video and phone tracking.
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shotts wrote:
Pretty sure it's not legal to buy a handgun for another person, at least not from a licensed dealer. He would have either had to lie on his background check / disclosure paperwork or buy on the secondary market.

Again NAL but from my understanding it's perfectly legal to buy a new gun from a dealer in which you intend to give as a gift assuming the person is not barred from owning one and you both live in the same state. So unless she was already flagged as a person not legally allowed to have a gun, totally legal since it was a dealer and it was new. When I last bought a gun (in New England) I was asked if It was for me or someone else. No idea if I said "for my wife/girlfriend/whatever" how it would have changed the sale, I presume would have to give them the information for a background check in them as well.

My brief Google search confirmed this from the national shooting sports foundation. I am suspect that Texas has any law forbidding the purchase either but I've been wrong.

Americans bought and gifted PLENTY of guns for Irish terrorists in the 1970s - 1990s without any background checks as to the suitability of the recipients đŸ¤”.
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It seems likely Armstrong will be found soon. Assuming she is guilty, she doesn't appear to be a very "smart" criminal.

The murder weapon was found at her home - not only did she not get rid of it after the crime, but she brought it back to her home.

She made no effort to alter her appearance while fleeing from Austin to NY - didn't cut her hair, didn't alter the color, didn't wear a hat or glasses. "Hey world, it's me"

She's traveling with her yoga mat. The pain of Wilson's family and loved ones is unimaginable, but then to see that the killer ensured she'd have a nice comfy space to practice her yoga while on the run.... ugh.

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BobAjobb wrote:
Vetratten wrote:
shotts wrote:

Pretty sure it's not legal to buy a handgun for another person, at least not from a licensed dealer. He would have either had to lie on his background check / disclosure paperwork or buy on the secondary market.


Again NAL but from my understanding it's perfectly legal to buy a new gun from a dealer in which you intend to give as a gift assuming the person is not barred from owning one and you both live in the same state. So unless she was already flagged as a person not legally allowed to have a gun, totally legal since it was a dealer and it was new. When I last bought a gun (in New England) I was asked if It was for me or someone else. No idea if I said "for my wife/girlfriend/whatever" how it would have changed the sale, I presume would have to give them the information for a background check in them as well.

My brief Google search confirmed this from the national shooting sports foundation. I am suspect that Texas has any law forbidding the purchase either but I've been wrong.


Americans bought and gifted PLENTY of guns for Irish terrorists in the 1970s - 1990s without any background checks as to the suitability of the recipients đŸ¤”.

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dalava wrote:
Life360... as any parent would know

I'm a parent and I don't know.
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The US Marshals Fugitive Task Force is very good at finding people. They would have already known if she hopped on another flight so not likely given the article.

My already fairly low opinion of police has gotten even lower over the last few years, but mention US Marshals and my mind still goes to "I didn't kill my wife!"/"I don't care!"
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Yoga mat could double as fugitive bed roll
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Got to say the sequel they made (US Marshalls) with Robert Downey Jr wasn't too bad either and a fun watch while on the treadmill/trainer.
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ThisIsIt wrote:
dalava wrote:
Life360... as any parent would know


I'm a parent and I don't know.

Now you do, and you kids will hate me.
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Bob Loblaw wrote:
The GMAN wrote:

The US Marshals Fugitive Task Force is very good at finding people. They would have already known if she hopped on another flight so not likely given the article.

My already fairly low opinion of police has gotten even lower over the last few years, but mention US Marshals and my mind still goes to "I didn't kill my wife!"/"I don't care!"

On top of one of the best movie references, you have my favorite username Ive ever seen....ahh I crack up every time they say it.
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dalava wrote:
ThisIsIt wrote:
dalava wrote:
Life360... as any parent would know


I'm a parent and I don't know.


Now you do, and you kids will hate me.

I have no need or interest in using something like that.
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It seems likely Armstrong will be found soon. Assuming she is guilty, she doesn't appear to be a very "smart" criminal.
The murder weapon was found at her home - not only did she not get rid of it after the crime, but she brought it back to her home.

She made no effort to alter her appearance while fleeing from Austin to NY - didn't cut her hair, didn't alter the color, didn't wear a hat or glasses. "Hey world, it's me"

She's traveling with her yoga mat. The pain of Wilson's family and loved ones is unimaginable, but then to see that the killer ensured she'd have a nice comfy space to practice her yoga while on the run.... ugh.

Well I was certainly wrong on this one - she's still on the run. Over two weeks since the arrest warrant was issued and they still haven't found her.

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The US Marshalls vs. a 35 year old yoga teacher. Who would win?
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She's no DB Cooper, that's for sure

Not even a Brian Laundrie

They'll find her, eventually

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Time to put out a call for Tommy Lee Jones

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Seems like Emporia KS would be a good place to look this weekend!
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Alvin Tostig wrote:
Time to put out a call for Tommy Lee Jones

"I didn't kill Mo Wilson"
"I don't care"

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She’s is probably dead.
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Seems like Emporia KS would be a good place to look this weekend!

No one is THAT stupid.



"She’s is probably dead

If you were going to kill yourself, why not just do it in Austin. Why fly to New York & risk being captured?

Pink? Maybe. Maybe not. You decide.
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Alvin Tostig wrote:
Time to put out a call for Tommy Lee Jones

Search every warehouse, farmhouse, henhouse, outhouse and Wheelhouse....
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What if she's in the doghouse?

She must have a stash of cash or she would leave a trail right?
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Looking at the list of “pro†starters for Unbound Gravel, and Strickland’s name was not on the list. Don’t know if he planned to race it, before this terrible murder, but he usually races it every year
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Looking at the list of “pro†starters for Unbound Gravel, and Strickland’s name was not on the list. Don’t know if he planned to race it, before this terrible murder, but he usually races it every year

He's apparently underground as well, hiding from the suspect.
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Edited: On second thought, I'll look into the story more to the extent I want answers. Think my question has likely already been bounced around earlier and throughout this thread and I should have probably read more closely before posting my question. Don't want to restart what I assume could be a very speculative and potentially unproductive dialogue.

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The US Marshalls vs. a 35 year old yoga teacher. Who would win?

I have no idea if I'm right or not, but it seems like the way to not get caught is to go to ground somewhere and minimize or even eliminate contact with people.
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... if infidelities disqualified you from endorsements, there would be a lot of professional athletes with a lot less money.


A certain iconic golfer comes to mind, and about half of the NBA

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I have not followed this closely, but why has Strickland lost his sponsorships? I'm not arguing one way or another and sorry if it's already delineated above, but I am not following how he has taken such a huge hit so quickly here. It does not appear he contributed, covered up or was even aware of the danger posed by his girlfriend. I suppose he purchased the firearm for her, but I don't think that was done illegally or with knowledge she was going to lose her mind and kill someone with it. I've seen some say he was cheating on his girlfriend (lying), but from the account linked the romantic part of his relationship with Mo occurred during a time when he and his girlfriend had broken up. Even if not, if infidelity's to one's girlfriend disqualified you from endorsements, there would be a lot of professional athletes with a lot less money.

Again, haven't followed closely but it looks like he has been cooperative with authorities and I have seen nothing to suggest he was aware of any mental instability or certainly any concerns of such devastating physical violence with regard to his girlfriend.

Just from a purely detached response... as a sponsor Strickland is not unreplaceable. Even if you end up with a worse athlete, every time they get a call up at a race some of the people standing around don't think "oh yeah his girlfriend went crazy and killed someone." It's probably not fair to him but at least for the immediate future he's scorched earth.

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From that article:
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A close friend of Strickland’s, who gave his name only as David, told the Daily Mail(link is external): “None of us can sleep. He’s staying out of sight until she's caught. I do know where he is but I’m not mentioning where for his safety.
David, who worked at Wheelhouse Mobil(link is external)e, the vintage trailer refurbishment business owned by Strickland and Armstrong, said: “She was our accounts payable manager for our business and set up the website and things like that.

Yeah...I don't think leaving out his last name is really helping his anonymity here
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Edited: On second thought, I'll look into the story more to the extent I want answers. Think my question has likely already been bounced around earlier and throughout this thread and I should have probably read more closely before posting my question. Don't want to restart what I assume could be a very speculative and potentially unproductive dialogue.

The backlash against Strickland may be over the top. But I think it stems largely from the discrepancies between his public statement and his statement to the public. Maybe he didn't realize his police statement was going to end up on the public record. Nothing approaching criminal, but it wasn't a good look.

Agree that many athletes, including cyclists, are not the people they appear to be on Instagram. Sometimes when we get a peak at reality, it's difficult to square, including for sponsors.
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It seems strange that the - published - undates cease at her being seen getting dropped off at an airport. Given the security and surveillance in airports you would think they would be able to ascertain what she did when she got to the airport and where she went. Unless of course the intelligence on her being dropped off at the airport was just someone saying they think they saw her and there is nothing to corroborate it.
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What really seems strange is that a 35 year old part time real estate agent, part time yoga instructor, part time middle of the pack bike rider, has been able to evade the US Marshalls for so long. Maybe I'm being too harsh, but it doesn't really speak much to their overall competency. It's not like she's some lifelong master criminal.
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What really seems strange is that a 35 year old part time real estate agent, part time yoga instructor, part time middle of the pack bike rider, has been able to evade the US Marshalls for so long. Maybe I'm being too harsh, but it doesn't really speak much to their overall competency. It's not like she's some lifelong master criminal.

How is she getting around? I thought they could warrant phone pings these days. And if you're not using straight cash 100% the time, cards track your location also. Only so long you can make it straight cash no phone. I mean, who carries a paper map these days? Otherwise, who is helping her would be my next question.

So I don't get it. Are there new hits on location, or possibly dead by now?
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I agree, you would think she was some sort of criminal mastermind at this point. They should have been able to track her immediately from the airport of where she went, I can't imagine there aren't cameras covering every aspect of the airport.
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I was kind of thinking how hard it would be to go just totally gridless on a "spur." Even if you had a stash of cash it'd be tough I'd think... agreed thinking she's got some help. (Or we aren't getting the full story, which is also likely)

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I was kind of thinking how hard it would be to go just totally gridless on a "spur." Even if you had a stash of cash it'd be tough I'd think... agreed thinking she's got some help. (Or we aren't getting the full story, which is also likely)

I'd like to think if I was facing a murder charge I could ditch my phone and credit card. Key would be having enough cash and a way to get more.
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... and a way to get more.

I know this sounds horrible, but girls always have a way to get more --- especially if scared, on the run, and with nothing to lose

Or maybe I know too much about Atlantic City

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I was just reading an article saying now that authorities are now saying she was dropped off on the 18th at Newark Airport with no indication she was ticketed for any flight.
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What really seems strange is that a 35 year old part time real estate agent, part time yoga instructor, part time middle of the pack bike rider, has been able to evade the US Marshalls for so long. Maybe I'm being too harsh, but it doesn't really speak much to their overall competency. It's not like she's some lifelong master criminal.

More likely it's a Brian Laundrie situation and her body will be found well off the beaten path by somebody's off leash dog coming back with a femur in its mouth. I find it highly unlikely that she is living a cash only, off the grid existence in the United States and successfully evading the US Marshalls. I also highly doubt that she has anyone to rely on that is both dumb enough and loyal enough to be assisting her in evading the authorities.
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There's a NJ Transit link there; could use cash at a ticket machine and get to Philly, NYC, or AC [or near me here in Atco/Hammonton, if she's so inclined LOL]

https://www.njtransit.com/airport

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RandMart wrote:
ThisIsIt wrote:
... and a way to get more.


I know this sounds horrible, but girls always have a way to get more --- especially if scared, on the run, and with nothing to lose

Or maybe I know too much about Atlantic City

No, I had the same thought. For all we know she's shacked up with some sugar daddy who's oblivious to her situation. I would guess the vast, vast majority of Americans don't know about this or have forgotten about it.

Hell, I know about it and I still wouldn't know her if she walked up to me and said hi.
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Doesn't even need to be a 'sugar daddy' in the super-wealthy long-term relationship kinda way - could just be some chump who can provide her with a safehouse & some cash until she's off to the next stop

Even if it is someone who's following the story, she's changed her look and is comfortable using a different name & fabricated backstory by now

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Story just appeared on CNN, did about a 5 min segment so it's mainstream now.
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I would argue that a 5-minute piece on CNN, at 9:00 on a Wednesday, is NOT mainstream

Mainstream is a 5-minute spot on ABC News, while people are half-watching before Jeopardy! comes on

Mainstream will be when they do a 60-minute Dateline show, which is basically just a commercial for the 2-hour docu-drama they're releasing on Peacock

But, it's getting there, so thanks for the heads-up

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Would make a good Dateline for sure. Wonder why they can't track her from the airport.

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Was having a conversation about this yesterday. One side states that with the amount of surveillance (remember the NSA?) they absolutely know where she is, but they can't act on it until they fabricate a side story about how they were able to track her down.

Other side stated that they still know where she is, but since she hasn't done anything to harm 'the powers that be' those powers don't care to act on it.

Long story short, nobody thought that she was actually off the grid and unfindable.
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Was having a conversation about this yesterday. One side states that with the amount of surveillance (remember the NSA?) they absolutely know where she is, but they can't act on it until they fabricate a side story about how they were able to track her down.

Other side stated that they still know where she is, but since she hasn't done anything to harm 'the powers that be' those powers don't care to act on it.

Long story short, nobody thought that she was actually off the grid and unfindable.

They do this all the time. They just say the were acting on a tip. When questioned about the tip they just say it was an anonymous tip from a concerned citizen.

In actuality they have absolutely NO idea where she is right now. She's operating off the grid, cash, pre-paid debit card, burner phone..etc. She will eventually mess up and be caught or end up dead. They always do.
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Herbie Hancock wrote:
mathematics wrote:
Was having a conversation about this yesterday. One side states that with the amount of surveillance (remember the NSA?) they absolutely know where she is, but they can't act on it until they fabricate a side story about how they were able to track her down.

Other side stated that they still know where she is, but since she hasn't done anything to harm 'the powers that be' those powers don't care to act on it.

Long story short, nobody thought that she was actually off the grid and unfindable.


They do this all the time. They just say the were acting on a tip. When questioned about the tip they just say it was an anonymous tip from a concerned citizen.

In actuality they have absolutely NO idea where she is right now. She's operating off the grid, cash, pre-paid debit card, burner phone..etc. She will eventually mess up and be caught or end up dead. They always do.

Usually, although I guess there's a chance someone like D.B. Cooper was dead from the outset.
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There are cameras all over Newark Airport, at Arrivals and at Departures, wherever she was dropped off

Whether she got into a Lyft, or an Uber, a stranger's car, or hopped on NJ Transit, it's been captured, along with license plates or train/bus numbers

If she got on NJT, there would be cameras wherever got got off again

Sure, at some point, public/electronic surveillance will run out, then it will be up to old-fashioned "Have you seen this woman?" to close the net

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RandMart wrote:
There are cameras all over Newark Airport, at Arrivals and at Departures, wherever she was dropped off

Whether she got into a Lyft, or an Uber, a stranger's car, or hopped on NJ Transit, it's been captured, along with license plates or train/bus numbers

If she got on NJT, there would be cameras wherever got got off again

Sure, at some point, public/electronic surveillance will run out, then it will be up to old-fashioned "Have you seen this woman?" to close the net

Don't you still need the manpower to watch all that video to find possibly find her? Might be talking about 1000's of hours or more of recordings.
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To be honest, all I think I know about how these things work, is from what I see on TV [like Dateline, or crap on ID TV], which may not be accurate

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There are cameras all over Newark Airport, at Arrivals and at Departures, wherever she was dropped off


Been back to traveling a decent amount by air and while waiting in yet another airport line, recently I did take a quick scan around me, just within my line of site at that moment, there must have been 3 - 4 security cameras within view at Toronto Pearson Airport!

As to this case - you have to wonder, where someone like this would go, what is she doing, has she had help from others, is she still in the country . . or perhaps some other fate??


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To me the most logical scenario is that she is no longer with us, and it's just a matter of time until she's discovered in that state. Sure there are wild things that could be happening but that's the most simple and logical to me.

She has no known criminal experience to be skilled enough to evade detection this long. Can't be seen or ping a phone trace if that's where you "are".

What a terrible scenario all around. Ugh.
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I don't know if you need experience... with the amount of crime and murder documentaries/pod casts that my wife watches, she's probably an expert on these matters by now.
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I don't know if you need experience... with the amount of crime and murder documentaries/pod casts that my wife watches, she's probably an expert on these matters by now.

Do not piss her off...
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Fair point, but an armchair expert is different than true experience expert, especially with this stuff - I can only imagine of course.

I love chess and watch tons of videos of grandmasters playing and analysis/commentary of those things, and think, oh yeah if I played that person I'd do this tactic or see that plan they had...but if I actually played one IRL with no YouTube video helping me, I'd get destroyed instantly.
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CP78 wrote:
I don't know if you need experience... with the amount of crime and murder documentaries/pod casts that my wife watches, she's probably an expert on these matters by now.

Just being reasonably smart probably gives you an upper hand as compared to 99% of folks out there with criminal experience.
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PBT_2009 wrote:
Fair point, but an armchair expert is different than true experience expert, especially with this stuff - I can only imagine of course.

I was the "victim" and *I* went into hiding - my uncle found me a rental in FL and I sublet my place in Philly; disappeared from the neighborhood

I was dumb enough to come back to my old place and pick up where I left off six months earlier, thinking she'd cooled down, got her shit together, moved away, any combination of those, and I'd be safe

Nope

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Fair point, but an armchair expert is different than true experience expert, especially with this stuff - I can only imagine of course.


I was the "victim" and *I* went into hiding - my uncle found me a rental in FL and I sublet my place in Philly; disappeared from the neighborhood

I was dumb enough to come back to my old place and pick up where I left off six months earlier, thinking she'd cooled down, got her shit together, moved away, any combination of those, and I'd be safe

Nope

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Newest update on Kaitlin Armstrong whereabouts


Suspected love triangle killer Kaitlin Armstrong seen at NY campground (nypost.com)


So, if I'm reading that correctly, they are still almost a month behind her. She was spotted at the campground shortly "before it all blew up".

Come on.
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2brokenhips wrote:
Newest update on Kaitlin Armstrong whereabouts


Suspected love triangle killer Kaitlin Armstrong seen at NY campground (nypost.com)



So, if I'm reading that correctly, they are still almost a month behind her. She was spotted at the campground shortly "before it all blew up".

Come on.


That's what they want everyone (Including Armstrong) to think..........

Pink? Maybe. Maybe not. You decide.
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Re: Mo Wilson Killed in Austin [japarker24] [ In reply to ]
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bulldog15 wrote:
2brokenhips wrote:
Newest update on Kaitlin Armstrong whereabouts


Suspected love triangle killer Kaitlin Armstrong seen at NY campground (nypost.com)



So, if I'm reading that correctly, they are still almost a month behind her. She was spotted at the campground shortly "before it all blew up".

Come on.



That's what they want everyone (Including Armstrong) to think..........

Given what we've seen in the last few years, thinking that law enforcement officers have the wherewithal and restraint to keep their knowledge under wraps is effectively impossible. One cop thinks he's cool and leaks knowledge to the news, or more likely, the local chief wants to show how strong and smart the police are so he holds press conferences every time they get a sliver of a lead.

Fundamentally, not updating on knowledge of her location is harmful to the search. If they say she's spotted in an area, it'll get blasted on local news and you'll have more eyes in that area looking for her. Hiding sightings just helps he ghost around unnoticed.
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So, if I'm reading that correctly, they are still almost a month behind her. She was spotted at the campground shortly "before it all blew up".


"I’ve been to every city in Mexico. Came across an unclaimed piece of meat in Baja, turned out to be Rosie. Guess he picked a knife fight with somebody better. Found a passport of yours in Sumatra. Missed you by about a week in Fiji. But I knew you wouldn’t miss the 50-Year Storm, Bodhi."

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Wow, they believe she is getting assistance, may have preplanned an escape plan, and could possibly be in Canada using her sister's name/ID
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Re: Mo Wilson Killed in Austin [mathematics] [ In reply to ]
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mathematics wrote:
japarker24 wrote:
bulldog15 wrote:
2brokenhips wrote:
Newest update on Kaitlin Armstrong whereabouts


Suspected love triangle killer Kaitlin Armstrong seen at NY campground (nypost.com)



So, if I'm reading that correctly, they are still almost a month behind her. She was spotted at the campground shortly "before it all blew up".

Come on.



That's what they want everyone (Including Armstrong) to think..........


Given what we've seen in the last few years, thinking that law enforcement officers have the wherewithal and restraint to keep their knowledge under wraps is effectively impossible. One cop thinks he's cool and leaks knowledge to the news, or more likely, the local chief wants to show how strong and smart the police are so he holds press conferences every time they get a sliver of a lead.

Fundamentally, not updating on knowledge of her location is harmful to the search. If they say she's spotted in an area, it'll get blasted on local news and you'll have more eyes in that area looking for her. Hiding sightings just helps he ghost around unnoticed.

Agreed, but I'd also add that it seems pretty unlikely to me that there's any kind of real manhunt. Maybe all those local departments get a notification, and there's a database of everyone out there on the run if she gets picked up for something else. The marshalls service arrest tens of thousands of fugitives a year, there are something like 60k active international red notices out there, there are just a lot of people on the run generally. The only way she gets caught is likely by a lot of people learning about the story and learning her face. I don't think the average person in the areas she's traveling has any idea who she is. I assume she's headed to Vermont, maybe intends to hop over the border.
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... seems pretty unlikely to me that there's any kind of real manhunt.


That's sexist

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So, if I'm reading that correctly, they are still almost a month behind her. She was spotted at the campground shortly "before it all blew up".


"I’ve been to every city in Mexico. Came across an unclaimed piece of meat in Baja, turned out to be Rosie. Guess he picked a knife fight with somebody better. Found a passport of yours in Sumatra. Missed you by about a week in Fiji. But I knew you wouldn’t miss the 50-Year Storm, Bodhi."

So according to Special Agent Johnny Utah she would have been in Emporia, Kansas two weeks ago.
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Eric Robert Rudolph made it five years on the run even though everyone knew where he was hiding. Frank Morris, John and Clarence Anglin are still on the run. Bin Laden made it 10 years with a $25 million bounty on his head. I give her three years.
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bulldog15 wrote:
So, if I'm reading that correctly, they are still almost a month behind her. She was spotted at the campground shortly "before it all blew up".


"I’ve been to every city in Mexico. Came across an unclaimed piece of meat in Baja, turned out to be Rosie. Guess he picked a knife fight with somebody better. Found a passport of yours in Sumatra. Missed you by about a week in Fiji. But I knew you wouldn’t miss the 50-Year Storm, Bodhi."

Good one. I miss the Point Break references that were common in this forum many years ago.
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Frank Morris, John and Clarence Anglin are still on the run.


Maybe. Or they missed the time cut. You have to make it to T1 before you can go on the run.
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I watched Cocaine Cowboys on Netflix and one of the guys fled Miami for Orlando where he lived under an assumed identity for 25 years before he was caught.

I think it usually happens when you caught for something else, even innocuous, then everything unravels.
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trail wrote:
Herbie Hancock wrote:
Frank Morris, John and Clarence Anglin are still on the run.


Maybe. Or they missed the time cut. You have to make it to T1 before you can go on the run.

Yes but at Alcatraz you run before you get to T1. Maybe they skipped the bikes and just kept on running. Maybe we will never know.
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japarker24 wrote:
bulldog15 wrote:
2brokenhips wrote:
Newest update on Kaitlin Armstrong whereabouts


Suspected love triangle killer Kaitlin Armstrong seen at NY campground (nypost.com)



So, if I'm reading that correctly, they are still almost a month behind her. She was spotted at the campground shortly "before it all blew up".

Come on.



That's what they want everyone (Including Armstrong) to think..........


Given what we've seen in the last few years, thinking that law enforcement officers have the wherewithal and restraint to keep their knowledge under wraps is effectively impossible. One cop thinks he's cool and leaks knowledge to the news, or more likely, the local chief wants to show how strong and smart the police are so he holds press conferences every time they get a sliver of a lead.

Fundamentally, not updating on knowledge of her location is harmful to the search. If they say she's spotted in an area, it'll get blasted on local news and you'll have more eyes in that area looking for her. Hiding sightings just helps he ghost around unnoticed.

We're talking about Federal Marshals here. I think they may be 1 notch above Sheriff Johnny & Deputy Jimmy from Podunk, USA.

Pink? Maybe. Maybe not. You decide.
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Do we know if she’s been trained to ignore pain, ignore weather… to live off the land… to eat things that would make a billy goat puke?

If so, I expect carnage.
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Do we know if she’s been trained to ignore pain, ignore weather… to live off the land… to eat things that would make a billy goat puke?

If so, I expect carnage.

She is no John Rambo.
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japarker24 wrote:
mathematics wrote:
japarker24 wrote:
bulldog15 wrote:
2brokenhips wrote:
Newest update on Kaitlin Armstrong whereabouts


Suspected love triangle killer Kaitlin Armstrong seen at NY campground (nypost.com)



So, if I'm reading that correctly, they are still almost a month behind her. She was spotted at the campground shortly "before it all blew up".

Come on.



That's what they want everyone (Including Armstrong) to think..........


Given what we've seen in the last few years, thinking that law enforcement officers have the wherewithal and restraint to keep their knowledge under wraps is effectively impossible. One cop thinks he's cool and leaks knowledge to the news, or more likely, the local chief wants to show how strong and smart the police are so he holds press conferences every time they get a sliver of a lead.

Fundamentally, not updating on knowledge of her location is harmful to the search. If they say she's spotted in an area, it'll get blasted on local news and you'll have more eyes in that area looking for her. Hiding sightings just helps he ghost around unnoticed.

We're talking about Federal Marshals here. I think they may be 1 notch above Sheriff Johnny & Deputy Jimmy from Podunk, USA.

If it ends up being true that Kaitlin spent time with her sister at a camp with her sister it doesn’t exactly instill confidence that the Federal Marshalls are on top of things. Keeping an eye on those closest to the fugitive would seem to be in the top 5 of how to catch a fugitive 101. All speculation of course as we don’t event know for sure she was at the camp.
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"If it ends up being true that Kaitlin spent time with her sister at a camp with her sister it doesn’t exactly instill confidence that the Federal Marshalls are on top of things. Keeping an eye on those closest to the fugitive would seem to be in the top 5 of how to catch a fugitive 101. All speculation of course as we don’t event know for sure she was at the camp."


The arrest warrant was not issued until May 19th. She skipped town May 14th. She had a five day head start. By the time the US Marshalls received the warrant and went after her, she would have been gone from the campground.
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facts have no place on the internet. ;)
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Re: Mo Wilson Killed in Austin [EyeRunMD] [ In reply to ]
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Wow, they believe she is getting assistance, may have preplanned an escape plan, and could possibly be in Canada using her sister's name/ID

Her father stated to the press early on that she couldn't have conceivably done it, so I'd bet she's getting assistance.

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Re: Mo Wilson Killed in Austin [logella] [ In reply to ]
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https://www.kxan.com/news/local/austin/us-marshals-find-jeep-belonging-to-murder-suspect-kaitlin-armstrong/




12K for her Jeep.

There is some cash she is living on.......





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If she took NJ Transit from Newark to AC, hoping to bump it up a little, she may be running on empty [literally]

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https://www.kxan.com/news/local/austin/us-marshals-find-jeep-belonging-to-murder-suspect-kaitlin-armstrong/
12K for her Jeep.

There is some cash she is living on.......



https://www.nbcnews.com/...lson-found-rcna34973


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Re: Mo Wilson Killed in Austin [Longboarder] [ In reply to ]
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There is some cash she is living on.......

Slightly annoyed by the article linked to repeating Strickland's PR statement that the relationship was short as fact. When that is contradicted by the information in the affidavit.
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https://www.kxan.com/news/local/austin/us-marshals-find-jeep-belonging-to-murder-suspect-kaitlin-armstrong/
12K for her Jeep.

There is some cash she is living on.......



https://www.nbcnews.com/...lson-found-rcna34973
Yeah, but have you seen the price for a jug of milk these days.

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Re: Mo Wilson Killed in Austin [Alvin Tostig] [ In reply to ]
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I love all the “these are Federal Marshals, they have it under control†posts.

If they had it under control she would be incarcerated.

Even in this day and age, finding someone who doesn’t want to be found isn’t easy.

Godspeed. I hope justice is achieved.
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Re: Mo Wilson Killed in Austin [Matt J] [ In reply to ]
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Yeah it has a boss hogg sound to it

Wheres the drones with facial recognition and laser guided hand cuffs?
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Re: Mo Wilson Killed in Austin [Lacticturkey] [ In reply to ]
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Yeah, "Enemy of the State" was released 22years ago. This hunt is a really long training exercise.

In all seriousness - every time this thread pops up with new comments, I'm hoping to read she's been caught. If she has no SERE training, & is not getting help from someone that does, then the public has been mislead on law enforcement search & capture capabilities.
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Re: Mo Wilson Killed in Austin [mdana87] [ In reply to ]
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They probably know where she is, but didn't check to see if the door was unlocked, judging by the competence of Texas cops...

I wrote this, you should read it:
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Yeah, "Enemy of the State" was released 22years ago. This hunt is a really long training exercise.

In all seriousness - every time this thread pops up with new comments, I'm hoping to read she's been caught. If she has no SERE training, & is not getting help from someone that does, then the public has been mislead on law enforcement search & capture capabilities.

Is SERE training really what you need to know to avoid being captured by law enforcement? I'd be surprised if she's Eric Rudolphing it.

I'd think ditching your phone, only using cash, and avoiding people except when necessary would go a long way to avoiding capture. If she's got someone doing stuff like bringing her groceries and paying her rent or just giving her a place to stay, it's just down to having the discipline to stay isolated.
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Re: Mo Wilson Killed in Austin [ThisIsIt] [ In reply to ]
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I'd think ditching your phone, only using cash, and avoiding people except when necessary would go a long way to avoiding capture. //

Exactly, all she has to know is what we all know from watching TV for the past 2 decades. And she is a hot chick who can go to just about anyplace, meet some guy, and be in his room/house in no time. She could use just about any back story, but as long as she does her duty, dude will play along not knowing anything about what she is up to.

That is a short term solution, long term she would need some money and get to a country that does not have extradition. Or a country where she could just disappear into some wilderness.
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Re: Mo Wilson Killed in Austin [tallswimmer] [ In reply to ]
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What city / state do you live in?
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Re: Mo Wilson Killed in Austin [monty] [ In reply to ]
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That is a short term solution, long term she would need some money and get to a country that does not have extradition. Or a country where she could just disappear into some wilderness.

Like the Pine Barrens?

There are plenty of No-Tell Motels between AC & Philly

A fake name, a haircut & some cheap dye from RiteAid, and she could be working at the local "Used to be a Wawa" deli in no time

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Re: Mo Wilson Killed in Austin [monty] [ In reply to ]
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Yup it can work. My ex wife does this, she goes from guy, to guy, to guy, to guy, to guy crafting fake victim backstory #25 and quickly moving in with the guy.

Guy's never question her, they just roll with it because she's super mega hot, charismatic, and instantly absorbs that guys hobbies - she's always plotting something and trying to escape paying her debts.
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Re: Mo Wilson Killed in Austin [Stafford Brown] [ In reply to ]
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She's now in police custody in Costa Rica

https://cyclingtips.com/...ended-in-costa-rica/

Suffer Well.
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Re: Mo Wilson Killed in Austin [monty] [ In reply to ]
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I would not have chose a small country where english is not the native language, or plastic surgery.
But then again, avoiding being on the run, is high on my list of things to do.


I really doubt this will bring peace to Mo's family. But it is something.



https://www.velonews.com/news/kaitlin-armstrong-wanted-for-murder-of-moriah-wilson-apprehended-in-costa-rica/






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Re: Mo Wilson Killed in Austin [oprfcc] [ In reply to ]
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I really want to know…

Who did the plastic surgery, what was it, and did they have any idea why they were doing it? Are we talking minor Botox or something much more significant, like a rhinoplasty and face lift? and facial implants?

Where did she get a fake passport and did she get it before or after the murder? I would have NO idea where to get one.

How did she get to Costa Rico? Was she aided?
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Will be interesting to find out how she got the fake ID and a passport.

And how they caught her.
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Re: Mo Wilson Killed in Austin [ThisIsIt] [ In reply to ]
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Will be interesting to find out how she got the fake ID and a passport.

And how they caught her.

So she flew out of Newark on May 18. Authorities knew she had gone to the airport that day and supposedly the trail ran cold there. But, given the number of cameras at an international airport, highly unlikely they were unaware she had taken the flight to Costa Rico.

She did get the fake passport awfully quickly. I mean, maybe it's not that hard, but it does seem that requires some knowledge and prep.

She lasted 6 weeks on the run. That's not bad, about 5.9 weeks longer than I would have predicted. I assumed she was dead in the woods somewhere.
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ThisIsIt wrote:
Will be interesting to find out how she got the fake ID and a passport.

And how they caught her.


So she flew out of Newark on May 18. Authorities knew she had gone to the airport that day and supposedly the trail ran cold there. But, given the number of cameras at an international airport, highly unlikely they were unaware she had taken the flight to Costa Rico.

She did get the fake passport awfully quickly. I mean, maybe it's not that hard, but it does seem that requires some knowledge and prep.

She lasted 6 weeks on the run. That's not bad, about 5.9 weeks longer than I would have predicted. I assumed she was dead in the woods somewhere.

It can take longer than 6 weeks to get a real passport.
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Re: Mo Wilson Killed in Austin [DieselPete] [ In reply to ]
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I'm also curious about many aspects of this now. I had assumed based on the scant evidence we had that she was in the northwoods of New York/VT or something, but this story sounds much more remarkable. Since Costa Rica apparently intends to extradite her without fuss I was curious and just googled where else she might have gone where that wouldn't be the case . . . apparently very few options to avoid extradition in her circumstance.

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Re: Mo Wilson Killed in Austin [ericlambi] [ In reply to ]
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She should have gone to Canada. They at least would be unlikely (I assume?) to extradite to a capital punishment jurisdiction.

She’s facing the needle in TX if convicted on 1st degree.
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I really want to know…

Who did the plastic surgery, what was it, and did they have any idea why they were doing it? Are we talking minor Botox or something much more significant, like a rhinoplasty and face lift? and facial implants?

Where did she get a fake passport and did she get it before or after the murder? I would have NO idea where to get one.

botox wouldn't change your appearance at all
fillers can slightly modify your look but not even enough that your face ID doesn't still work on your phone and the government biometric passport control is likely smarter than an iphone security scan

I too have no idea how to get a fake passport that would make it through customs and immigration checks on such short notice. This woman has a backstory we don't know yet
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Re: Mo Wilson Killed in Austin [Dolfan] [ In reply to ]
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She should have gone to Canada. They at least would be unlikely (I assume?) to extradite to a capital punishment jurisdiction.

She’s facing the needle in TX if convicted on 1st degree.

I'm not a lawyer, so will defer to one, but I read the description of the capital murder charge in Texas, and find it highly unlikely the prosecution would attempt capital murder. Vs. "just" first-degree murder.
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Re: Mo Wilson Killed in Austin [iamuwere] [ In reply to ]
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iamuwere wrote:
DieselPete wrote:
I really want to know…

Who did the plastic surgery, what was it, and did they have any idea why they were doing it? Are we talking minor Botox or something much more significant, like a rhinoplasty and face lift? and facial implants?

Where did she get a fake passport and did she get it before or after the murder? I would have NO idea where to get one.


botox wouldn't change your appearance at all
fillers can slightly modify your look ...

Agreed.

I just think that the media will use a term like "plastic surgery" to refer to a very wide array of procedures. We could learn later that she had significant work or barely any.

For only being gone for a few weeks, she must have jumped on it if she got meaningful work done already. I guess avoiding the death penalty or life in prison is plenty of motivation. Maybe in a country like Costa Rica you might get a nose job done for cash as easy as ordering a pizza. I have no idea.
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Re: Mo Wilson Killed in Austin [ericlambi] [ In reply to ]
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I'm also curious about many aspects of this now. I had assumed based on the scant evidence we had that she was in the northwoods of New York/VT or something, but this story sounds much more remarkable. Since Costa Rica apparently intends to extradite her without fuss I was curious and just googled where else she might have gone where that wouldn't be the case . . . apparently very few options to avoid extradition in her circumstance.

I wonder if her family assisted her? Her father was on the news early on saying he knows she couldn't have done it.

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Re: Mo Wilson Killed in Austin [DieselPete] [ In reply to ]
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If she went through the effort to get a fake passport and plastic surgery (although I imagine she got filler injections rather than full surgery based on the timeframe), I find it strange that she stayed in Costa Rica. If you're actively trying to hide yourself, why stay in the same country you flew into. You've got to assume you'll be tracked there. It seems like she could have taken a bus or boat to several countries from there. Maybe we'll find out she did in fact have substantial plastic surgery and was recovering there, with a plan to escape to another country and disappear.
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Re: Mo Wilson Killed in Austin [ttusomeone] [ In reply to ]
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I find it strange that she stayed in Costa Rica. If you're actively trying to hide yourself, why stay in the same country you flew into. You've got to assume you'll be tracked there. It seems like she could have taken a bus or boat to several countries from there.

A bus to Panama and a boat to Colombia and you can disappear on another continent.
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Re: Mo Wilson Killed in Austin [DieselPete] [ In reply to ]
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Also caught with a fake passport makes for a better headline than "used her sister's passport".
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Re: Mo Wilson Killed in Austin [ThisIsIt] [ In reply to ]
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Will be interesting to find out how she got the fake ID and a passport.

And how they caught her.

her dad came out in support of her so wouldn't surprise me if she was using her sister's passport. she was reportedly seen in NY meeting with her before she fled the country. looking at pics of the two they are very similar.
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Re: Mo Wilson Killed in Austin [iamuwere] [ In reply to ]
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iamuwere wrote:
......... This woman has a backstory we don't know yet

Do we know if her sister is still alive? What if she killed her sister, too, and stole her ID & passport..........

Pink? Maybe. Maybe not. You decide.
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Re: Mo Wilson Killed in Austin [japarker24] [ In reply to ]
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japarker24 wrote:
iamuwere wrote:
......... This woman has a backstory we don't know yet


Do we know if her sister is still alive? What if she killed her sister, too, and stole her ID & passport..........

I mean, I think we would have heard something if something had happened to her sister.


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Re: Mo Wilson Killed in Austin [steve25] [ In reply to ]
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ThisIsIt wrote:
Will be interesting to find out how she got the fake ID and a passport.

And how they caught her.


her dad came out in support of her so wouldn't surprise me if she was using her sister's passport. she was reportedly seen in NY meeting with her before she fled the country. looking at pics of the two they are very similar.

Makes sense.
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Re: Mo Wilson Killed in Austin [steve25] [ In reply to ]
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her dad came out in support of her so wouldn't surprise me if she was using her sister's passport. she was reportedly seen in NY meeting with her before she fled the country. looking at pics of the two they are very similar.


The US Marshals essentially confirmed this without explicitly confirming it. Unless Kaitlin got her hands on a completely different woman's passport that Kaitlin "used because she looked very similar to that individual."




Other tidbits:
  • Cut her hair shoulder length, uneven
  • Died her hair dark brown
  • Found with bandage on her nose, claimed it was surfboard accident
  • "At this time" no one charged or detained in connection with her flight
  • Found in Santa Teresa, remote beach town
  • Had been frequenting yoga studios, speculating she was setting herself up to be yoga instructor


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PIt is reported by Road biking Action that Armstrong was arrested in Costa Rica... https://roadbikeaction.com/...-armstrong-captured/
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You missed the whole last page talking about this!
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turdburgler wrote:
You missed the whole last page talking about this!




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;)

If that is the worst oversight of your day, you are much better than myself.

In all seriousness, I hope whatever facts there are come out quickly and there is some swiftness in justice. I'm sure this entire thing has made this whole horror show even more awful for the family and friends.
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The media cycle is just getting warmed up: murder, athletes, love triangle, attractive women, fugitives, international vibes & tropical locales.

TV movies, Law & Order episodes, Friday night network “who dunnit?†shows

The media machine thirsts for content from other’s misfortune.
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Dolfan wrote:
The media cycle is just getting warmed up: murder, athletes, love triangle, attractive women, fugitives, international vibes & tropical locales.

TV movies, Law & Order episodes, Friday night network “who dunnit?†shows

The media machine thirsts for content from other’s misfortune.


Not to mention the escape attempt parallel with The Shawshank Redemption. Andy Dufresne had more time to plan, otherwise surely she would have pulled it off.....




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I just saw it on a news feed on social media.

I lived full-time in Costa Rica from 2005 to 2010. Santa Theresa is a bit of a hassle to get to, but it’s far from “remote†in my mind.

I was talking through it with a friend this morning and it’s a tough thing to wrap your head around. Being on the run for the rest of your life would be a disaster.

She could have gone somewhere more remote, but how do you earn income?

The most obvious Monday morning quarterback decision would have been to catch the bus up to Penas Blancas and hop the border into Nicaragua. San Juan del Sur could have provided an expat lifestyle with the comfort of much more difficult extradition.

The CR criminal justice system is inefficient to say the least, the fact that they tracked her and apprehended her is a miracle. A victory they will celebrate for ages I’m sure.

I ran across a few people over the years that I lived down there that experienced incarceration on some level. Not pleasant. One associate went to the women’s prison for a trumped up immigration charge and it was chilling to hear her story. A fellow inmate crying through the night due to rats in her cell only to be shot with a high pressure water hose to quiet her down stuck in my mind.

Jealous rage ended a life and destroyed a few more that night. I doubt Colin will ever recover either. I don’t blame him for attempting some damage control, but ultimately he will never escape this tragedy either.
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can't believe people are using jokes/winks/sarcasm on this thread. also, the ongoing discussion of how the murderer should have been more careful to get away is beyond inappropriate. many of y'all make me sick. this situation is beyond sad.
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can't believe people are using jokes/winks/sarcasm on this thread. also, the ongoing discussion of how the murderer should have been more careful to get away is beyond inappropriate. many of y'all make me sick. this situation is beyond sad.


Bite me. It wasn't jokes/winks/sarcasm related to the topic. It was aimed at the guy who posted "breaking news" that had been talked about in the 20 posts prior to that. I can't believe that needs to be explained to you but here we are.

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applenutt wrote:
can't believe people are using jokes/winks/sarcasm on this thread. also, the ongoing discussion of how the murderer should have been more careful to get away is beyond inappropriate. many of y'all make me sick. this situation is beyond sad.

Bite me. It wasn't jokes/winks/sarcasm related to the topic. It was aimed at the guy who posted "breaking news" that had been talked about in the 20 posts prior to that. I can't believe that needs to be explained to you but here why are.

Here why are…back at ya.
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*we

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The GMAN wrote:
applenutt wrote:
can't believe people are using jokes/winks/sarcasm on this thread. also, the ongoing discussion of how the murderer should have been more careful to get away is beyond inappropriate. many of y'all make me sick. this situation is beyond sad.


Bite me. It wasn't jokes/winks/sarcasm related to the topic. It was aimed at the guy who posted "breaking news" that had been talked about in the 20 posts prior to that. I can't believe that needs to be explained to you but here why are.


Here why are…back at ya.

You sicken me. Worrying about a misplaced word in this thread. Disgusting.
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She's now back in Texas.

Looks like she may have had some help from her sister on her flee to Costa Rica.

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According to a report on Inside Edition, two passports were found in a locker at the hotel in Costa Rica where Armstrong was apprehended: Armstrong’s own and one belonging to her sister, Christine.
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According to a report on Inside Edition, two passports were found in a locker at the hotel in Costa Rica where Armstrong was apprehended: Armstrong’s own and one belonging to her sister, Christine.

Insane story continues to be insane. Can't make this up, and unfortunately it's going to end up some kind of true crime docu-drama.
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She's now back in Texas.

Looks like she may have had some help from her sister on her flee to Costa Rica.

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According to a report on Inside Edition, two passports were found in a locker at the hotel in Costa Rica where Armstrong was apprehended: Armstrong’s own and one belonging to her sister, Christine.


yoga classes in CR sounds nice but time to pay the piper
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She's now back in Texas.

Looks like she may have had some help from her sister on her flee to Costa Rica.

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According to a report on Inside Edition, two passports were found in a locker at the hotel in Costa Rica where Armstrong was apprehended: Armstrong’s own and one belonging to her sister, Christine.

Its likely her sister helped her, but I also have to wonder if she could’ve been an unwilling accomplice (if K Armstrong stole her passport, by chance)?
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logella wrote:
She's now back in Texas.

Looks like she may have had some help from her sister on her flee to Costa Rica.

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According to a report on Inside Edition, two passports were found in a locker at the hotel in Costa Rica where Armstrong was apprehended: Armstrong’s own and one belonging to her sister, Christine.


Its likely her sister helped her, but I also have to wonder if she could’ve been an unwilling accomplice (if K Armstrong stole her passport, by chance)?

That's the story I'd go with so the sister doesn't get in trouble too, but I'd guess if she helped her there will be a bunch of other evidence as well.
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Photo now posted of her post-capture, looks like she did get a nose job. I guess she was really in it to win it. Off topic, but kind of impressive she found a plastic surgeon who could get her in so quickly while on the run.

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Agree. And does look significantly different I think.
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Hard to believe they are going to release her, assuming she can post a bond. She's the literal definition of a flight-risk.

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Travis County court records show Armstrong’s bond will be set at $3.5 million. She will be required to surrender her passport to a district clerk before release and have a GPS in jail. Her curfew will be 8 p.m. to 8 a.m., according to records.
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I don't think she looks that different, and may have always wanted the nose job anyway. Slightly darker shade of a dye job, and left it long, handy for the
cameras as she was apprehended :( what a pos.

RIP Mo Wilson.
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The most obvious Monday morning quarterback decision would have been to catch the bus up to Penas Blancas and hop the border into Nicaragua. San Juan del Sur could have provided an expat lifestyle with the comfort of much more difficult extradition.
Most obvious Monday morning quarterback decision is don't shoot someone.
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Matt J wrote:
The most obvious Monday morning quarterback decision would have been to catch the bus up to Penas Blancas and hop the border into Nicaragua. San Juan del Sur could have provided an expat lifestyle with the comfort of much more difficult extradition.
Most obvious Monday morning quarterback decision is don't shoot someone.

True.

Wasn’t condoning what she did, and I am glad she was caught and will face judgement for her crimes.
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Today show just did a piece on this. I’m sure the Dateline producers are getting on board.
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Matt J wrote:

The most obvious Monday morning quarterback decision would have been to catch the bus up to Penas Blancas and hop the border into Nicaragua. San Juan del Sur could have provided an expat lifestyle with the comfort of much more difficult extradition.

Most obvious Monday morning quarterback decision is don't shoot someone.

I was listening to a podcast about a conspiracy theorist whose son was killed at Sandy Hook who then became the victim of conspiracy theorists claiming that it was a hoax. He provided some interesting insight that applies here: To some degree we are drawn to the excitement of thinking we "know" things that others don't know. Playing make believe, whether it be imagining what you would do if you won the lottery, how you would rob a bank, or trying to figure out how the moon landing was faked is fun because there is no attachment on an emotional level. When you have that detachment it doesn't really occur to your mind that what you are doing is hurtful.

I feel like there has been some insensitivity on this thread. I am sure it is unintentional. Just people not recognizing that Mo Wilson had a mom and dad and friends and these people will have empty hearts because they will never see her again.
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Well said.

This whole situation is nothing but awful for everyone (except the hate mongers).
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tigermilk wrote:
Matt J wrote:

The most obvious Monday morning quarterback decision would have been to catch the bus up to Penas Blancas and hop the border into Nicaragua. San Juan del Sur could have provided an expat lifestyle with the comfort of much more difficult extradition.

Most obvious Monday morning quarterback decision is don't shoot someone.


I was listening to a podcast about a conspiracy theorist whose son was killed at Sandy Hook who then became the victim of conspiracy theorists claiming that it was a hoax. He provided some interesting insight that applies here: To some degree we are drawn to the excitement of thinking we "know" things that others don't know. Playing make believe, whether it be imagining what you would do if you won the lottery, how you would rob a bank, or trying to figure out how the moon landing was faked is fun because there is no attachment on an emotional level. When you have that detachment it doesn't really occur to your mind that what you are doing is hurtful.

I feel like there has been some insensitivity on this thread. I am sure it is unintentional. Just people not recognizing that Mo Wilson had a mom and dad and friends and these people will have empty hearts because they will never see her again.

This. It's so weird reading some of these comments suggesting how she could've gotten away with murdering Mo Wilson.

I'm glad she got caught, and Mo's family will get some clousure.
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Some in this thread have speculated that Kaitlin Armstrong may have used her sister's passport to travel. The recent news reports seem to confirm this suspicion:

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Authorities said that Armstrong fraudulently used another person's passport to flee the US from Newark Liberty International Airport in New Jersey to San Jose, Costa Rica, on May 18, a day after the APD obtained a warrant for her arrest in connection to the homicide investigation.

Filla noted in the press conference that the passport belonged to "someone that was closely associated with her."

Link to cyclingnews story.


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This part seems even more confirmatory:

“Filla confirmed that two passports were found after her arrest in a locker at the hostel. A witness stated in an Inside Edition report that one belonged to Armstrong and the other to a family member.â€

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More details emerging ...

https://www.yahoo.com/video/texas-murder-suspect-kaitlin-armstrong-131714011.html
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Wow, this makes Strickland look even worse.......denied knowing the victim, at first questioning, and also the $450k "investment" money (he did ask for it back!)
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and...


"One of the warrants states that Strickland texted Armstrong right after dropping off Wilson at 8:36 p.m., a minute before police say her Jeep showed up on surveillance video outside the crime scene."

Sounds like there should be some charges filed against some accomplices. So disgusting.
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and...


"One of the warrants states that Strickland texted Armstrong right after dropping off Wilson at 8:36 p.m., a minute before police say her Jeep showed up on surveillance video outside the crime scene."

Sounds like there should be some charges filed against some accomplices. So disgusting.

What did the text message say?
Seems pertinent, no?

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Of course pertinent, but I don't think that info has been made public. The timing of the text is pretty suspect, considering earlier information provided to the public.
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bpe wrote:
More details emerging ...

https://www.yahoo.com/video/texas-murder-suspect-kaitlin-armstrong-131714011.html

If you put a space before the link it will work.
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Of course pertinent, but I don't think that info has been made public. The timing of the text is pretty suspect, considering earlier information provided to the public.

In Kaitlin Armstrong's original arrest warrant, Strickland admitted to the police that he texted Armstrong after dropping Wilson off at her friends house. The wording of the text was reported as follows:

"Hey! Are you out? I went to drop some flowers for Alison at her sons house up north and my phone died. Headed home unless you have another food suggestion"

Pink? Maybe. Maybe not. You decide.
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Of course pertinent, but I don't think that info has been made public. The timing of the text is pretty suspect, considering earlier information provided to the public.


I mean, it's pretty obvious, isn't it? He was cheating on his SO, so probably didn't use his phone while he was with Wilson. As soon as he dropped her off he messaged her... probably something like... "Hey, babe... sorry my phone died...".
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I, for one, am just happy it's not another doping scandal.
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I, for one, am just happy it's not another doping scandal.

I’ll take doping over murder any day.

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Ditto. This thing just gets worse every time something new is released.

I'll take doping scandals anyday.
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mdana87 wrote:
Of course pertinent, but I don't think that info has been made public. The timing of the text is pretty suspect, considering earlier information provided to the public.


In Kaitlin Armstrong's original arrest warrant, Strickland admitted to the police that he texted Armstrong after dropping Wilson off at her friends house. The wording of the text was reported as follows:

"Hey! Are you out? I went to drop some flowers for Alison at her sons house up north and my phone died. Headed home unless you have another food suggestion"

Exactly,

The previous poster that I was responding to was insinuating that Colin was a knowing accomplice because he texted Armstrong when Mo was dropped off.

If this is the message, then I don't think you can make that link.

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ajthomas wrote:
tigermilk wrote:
Matt J wrote:

The most obvious Monday morning quarterback decision would have been to catch the bus up to Penas Blancas and hop the border into Nicaragua. San Juan del Sur could have provided an expat lifestyle with the comfort of much more difficult extradition.

Most obvious Monday morning quarterback decision is don't shoot someone.


I was listening to a podcast about a conspiracy theorist whose son was killed at Sandy Hook who then became the victim of conspiracy theorists claiming that it was a hoax. He provided some interesting insight that applies here: To some degree we are drawn to the excitement of thinking we "know" things that others don't know. Playing make believe, whether it be imagining what you would do if you won the lottery, how you would rob a bank, or trying to figure out how the moon landing was faked is fun because there is no attachment on an emotional level. When you have that detachment it doesn't really occur to your mind that what you are doing is hurtful.

I feel like there has been some insensitivity on this thread. I am sure it is unintentional. Just people not recognizing that Mo Wilson had a mom and dad and friends and these people will have empty hearts because they will never see her again.

Your post stood out to me. Yes the common denominator is "I know secret things others don't" that people get a rush off of.

9-11
Sandy Hook
Q-Anon
Stolen Election
Illuminati
Extreme cultlike variants of Christianity
Fake medical secrets
Wealth building "experts"
MLM/Network business.

There is more money to be made selling these ideas than anything concrete or tangible.
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I feel like there has been some insensitivity on this thread. I am sure it is unintentional. Just people not recognizing that Mo Wilson had a mom and dad and friends and these people will have empty hearts because they will never see her again.

It's absolutely horrible what happened but I do feel like as a whole people are more sensitive (and reasonable) here than places like Reddit and other forums. It bothers me to think this could have been avoided in the first place. I know it is hard to take people seriously sometimes but there seemed to be some warnings signs here that may have prevented this senseless act. Just horrific for her parents. Life is short, life is precious. RIP MO.


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Stafford Brown wrote:
ajthomas wrote:
tigermilk wrote:
Matt J wrote:

The most obvious Monday morning quarterback decision would have been to catch the bus up to Penas Blancas and hop the border into Nicaragua. San Juan del Sur could have provided an expat lifestyle with the comfort of much more difficult extradition.

Most obvious Monday morning quarterback decision is don't shoot someone.


I was listening to a podcast about a conspiracy theorist whose son was killed at Sandy Hook who then became the victim of conspiracy theorists claiming that it was a hoax. He provided some interesting insight that applies here: To some degree we are drawn to the excitement of thinking we "know" things that others don't know. Playing make believe, whether it be imagining what you would do if you won the lottery, how you would rob a bank, or trying to figure out how the moon landing was faked is fun because there is no attachment on an emotional level. When you have that detachment it doesn't really occur to your mind that what you are doing is hurtful.

I feel like there has been some insensitivity on this thread. I am sure it is unintentional. Just people not recognizing that Mo Wilson had a mom and dad and friends and these people will have empty hearts because they will never see her again.


Your post stood out to me. Yes the common denominator is "I know secret things others don't" that people get a rush off of.

9-11
Sandy Hook
Q-Anon
Stolen Election
Illuminati
Extreme cultlike variants of Christianity
Fake medical secrets
Wealth building "experts"
MLM/Network business.

There is more money to be made selling these ideas than anything concrete or tangible.

That's what I've heard too. Being a conspiracy nutter is mostly about feeling superior to others, that you're the one who knows the real deal that the sheeple just don't get.
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Thomas Gerlach wrote:
ajthomas wrote:


I feel like there has been some insensitivity on this thread. I am sure it is unintentional. Just people not recognizing that Mo Wilson had a mom and dad and friends and these people will have empty hearts because they will never see her again.


It's absolutely horrible what happened but I do feel like as a whole people are more sensitive (and reasonable) here than places like Reddit and other forums. It bothers me to think this could have been avoided in the first place. I know it is hard to take people seriously sometimes but there seemed to be some warnings signs here that may have prevented this senseless act. Just horrific for her parents. Life is short, life is precious. RIP MO.

I guess I just don't see it. When a topic is discussed it's not that uncommon to go off on tangents from the original thrust of it. I didn't really see anyone here being disrespectful to Wilson or trivializing her death.

I mean it's intellectually interesting to discuss how to avoid arrest if you've committed a crime. I don't think anyone was saying should have done this or that so she could get away with it, as if that would be a good thing. Seems like some people interpreted it that way?
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I'm not a criminal. I'm a mechanical engineer. I five-fingered a pack of gum from a corner drug store once when I was maybe eight... and took it back the next day, unopened, because the action made me sick to my stomach. I just don't have a criminal mindset (thanks mom & dad!). Events & individuals actions like those noted in this case or other crimes sub-consciously challenge me to put myself in those shoes, in an attempt to understand the thought-process & decision making of the individuals involved; victim & perpetrator. But I can't. It never makes any sense to me. I can't wrap my head around those actions. I think many others are the same, which (I think at least partially) leads to the discussions in threads like this. Of course, I can only speak for myself.


@xtrpickels...
I didn't see the text transcript noted above, assuming that was the text sent after he dropped Wilson off (apparently) minutes before Armstrong arrives at the home. I know I'm not alone in considering the coincidence in timing here. Regardless, nothing in this thread is going to be used in a court of law. This is all conjecture and certainly not meant to be personally offensive.


Again, this whole thing is tragic & sickening and given the many stories like this that you hear of in life, I'm blessed and thankful nothing like this has happened within my family - I pray it never does.
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Stafford Brown wrote:
ajthomas wrote:
tigermilk wrote:
Matt J wrote:

The most obvious Monday morning quarterback decision would have been to catch the bus up to Penas Blancas and hop the border into Nicaragua. San Juan del Sur could have provided an expat lifestyle with the comfort of much more difficult extradition.

Most obvious Monday morning quarterback decision is don't shoot someone.


I was listening to a podcast about a conspiracy theorist whose son was killed at Sandy Hook who then became the victim of conspiracy theorists claiming that it was a hoax. He provided some interesting insight that applies here: To some degree we are drawn to the excitement of thinking we "know" things that others don't know. Playing make believe, whether it be imagining what you would do if you won the lottery, how you would rob a bank, or trying to figure out how the moon landing was faked is fun because there is no attachment on an emotional level. When you have that detachment it doesn't really occur to your mind that what you are doing is hurtful.

I feel like there has been some insensitivity on this thread. I am sure it is unintentional. Just people not recognizing that Mo Wilson had a mom and dad and friends and these people will have empty hearts because they will never see her again.


Your post stood out to me. Yes the common denominator is "I know secret things others don't" that people get a rush off of.

9-11
Sandy Hook
Q-Anon
Stolen Election
Illuminati
Extreme cultlike variants of Christianity
Fake medical secrets
Wealth building "experts"
MLM/Network business.

There is more money to be made selling these ideas than anything concrete or tangible.

I heard a new "conspiracy" other day. I'm retired but work part-time in a bike shop. One of the mechanics honestly believes that all of the mass/school shootings are part of a secret plan funded by George Soros. He believes Soros is providing the funds for these shooters to acquire the guns, ammno, etc. to carry out their work.
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Wow, this makes Strickland look even worse.......denied knowing the victim, at first questioning, and also the $450k "investment" money (he did ask for it back!)


Reading the Yahoo News story about some of the latest news on this case, my gut tells me there is all kinds of things about the behind-the-scenes goings on that will be coming out later. Maybe, Colin Strickland, was just really unlucky to hook-up with an exponentially overly jealous, ticking time-bomb of a psychopath woman . . . but perhaps he was not? Maybe he knows more than he's currently letting on - PURELY speculating and guessing her. No one really knows that this stage. There are always bizarre twists and turns in these murder cases that few people can predict!

That should take nothing away from the raw, terrible tragedy of this! She was a daughter, a friend, and a quickly emerging talent in All Terrain Racing!


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Wow, this makes Strickland look even worse.......denied knowing the victim, at first questioning, and also the $450k "investment" money (he did ask for it back!)


Reading the Yahoo News story about some of the latest news on this case, my gut tells me there is all kinds of things about the behind-the-scenes goings on that will be coming out later. Maybe, Colin Strickland, was just really unlucky to hook-up with an exponentially overly jealous, ticking time-bomb of a psychopath woman . . . but perhaps he was not? Maybe he knows more than he's currently letting on - PURELY speculating and guessing her. No one really knows that this stage. There are always bizarre twists and turns in these murder cases that few people can predict!

That should take nothing away from the raw, terrible tragedy of this! She was a daughter, a friend, and a quickly emerging talent in All Terrain Racing!

Occam's razor.
Strickland wanted to bang/date Mo without his current girlfriend finding out. Dude had a rep as a player.
Armstrong found out, lost her shit, and killed Mo. Not much more complicated than that.
If this was anywhere with sane gun laws, they would have had nasty words and a fist fight, but it's Texas, so it's guns and death.
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mdana87 wrote:
and...


"One of the warrants states that Strickland texted Armstrong right after dropping off Wilson at 8:36 p.m., a minute before police say her Jeep showed up on surveillance video outside the crime scene."

Sounds like there should be some charges filed against some accomplices. So disgusting.


What did the text message say?
Seems pertinent, no?


Is it such a stretch to think that "on my way home, what's for dinner..." could have been the signal that Strickland dropped off Mo at the house she was staying at? Maybe it wasn't that, but maybe it was. I guess I wasn't the only one who thought the timing was interesting, regardless of what the actual message said.

Edit to add, clearly this dude is a scumbag, scumbags do scummy things, which can mean cheating on a partner/spouse or helping someone commit a very serious crime.
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I guess I wasn't the only one who thought the timing was interesting, regardless of what the actual message said.

Timing made perfect sense to me. Text sent immediately after done with one woman and turn attention to next woman. Jeep shows up one minute later because Armstrong either followed Strickland and Wilson or was staking out the house.

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I guess I wasn't the only one who thought the timing was interesting, regardless of what the actual message said.


Timing made perfect sense to me. Text sent immediately after done with one woman and turn attention to next woman. Jeep shows up one minute later because Armstrong either followed Strickland and Wilson or was staking out the house.

I'm sure Armstrong got wind of Strickland hanging out with another woman (maybe she knew it was Mo...maybe not. But another woman just the same). Followed Strickland from the pool to the burger joint then to dropping Mo off at her friend's place. Then we all know what happened from there,,,,,,

Pink? Maybe. Maybe not. You decide.
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The easiest explanation is exactly that. She was sitting up the street.

The legal term, which typically can elevate a murder charge from second to first degree, is lying in wait.
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NordicSkier wrote:
Fleck wrote:
Wow, this makes Strickland look even worse.......denied knowing the victim, at first questioning, and also the $450k "investment" money (he did ask for it back!)


Reading the Yahoo News story about some of the latest news on this case, my gut tells me there is all kinds of things about the behind-the-scenes goings on that will be coming out later. Maybe, Colin Strickland, was just really unlucky to hook-up with an exponentially overly jealous, ticking time-bomb of a psychopath woman . . . but perhaps he was not? Maybe he knows more than he's currently letting on - PURELY speculating and guessing her. No one really knows that this stage. There are always bizarre twists and turns in these murder cases that few people can predict!

That should take nothing away from the raw, terrible tragedy of this! She was a daughter, a friend, and a quickly emerging talent in All Terrain Racing!


Occam's razor.
Strickland wanted to bang/date Mo without his current girlfriend finding out. Dude had a rep as a player.
Armstrong found out, lost her shit, and killed Mo. Not much more complicated than that.
If this was anywhere with sane gun laws, they would have had nasty words and a fist fight, but it's Texas, so it's guns and death.

No, based on how much effort she went through it would have been a stabbing or a bombing.

Washed up footy player turned Triathlete.
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Re: Mo Wilson Killed in Austin [NordicSkier] [ In reply to ]
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NordicSkier wrote:
Fleck wrote:
Wow, this makes Strickland look even worse.......denied knowing the victim, at first questioning, and also the $450k "investment" money (he did ask for it back!)


Reading the Yahoo News story about some of the latest news on this case, my gut tells me there is all kinds of things about the behind-the-scenes goings on that will be coming out later. Maybe, Colin Strickland, was just really unlucky to hook-up with an exponentially overly jealous, ticking time-bomb of a psychopath woman . . . but perhaps he was not? Maybe he knows more than he's currently letting on - PURELY speculating and guessing her. No one really knows that this stage. There are always bizarre twists and turns in these murder cases that few people can predict!

That should take nothing away from the raw, terrible tragedy of this! She was a daughter, a friend, and a quickly emerging talent in All Terrain Racing!


Occam's razor.
Strickland wanted to bang/date Mo without his current girlfriend finding out. Dude had a rep as a player.
Armstrong found out, lost her shit, and killed Mo. Not much more complicated than that.
If this was anywhere with sane gun laws, they would have had nasty words and a fist fight, but it's Texas, so it's guns and death.


Curious…do you mean sane gun laws like Chicago or New York City? Or are you merely a lemming, piling on crazy ole’ Texas?

Because I’d wager Texas has far less shooting deaths than Illinois or New York…who have much stricter gun laws…
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Re: Mo Wilson Killed in Austin [zooropa] [ In reply to ]
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zooropa wrote:
NordicSkier wrote:
Fleck wrote:
Wow, this makes Strickland look even worse.......denied knowing the victim, at first questioning, and also the $450k "investment" money (he did ask for it back!)


Reading the Yahoo News story about some of the latest news on this case, my gut tells me there is all kinds of things about the behind-the-scenes goings on that will be coming out later. Maybe, Colin Strickland, was just really unlucky to hook-up with an exponentially overly jealous, ticking time-bomb of a psychopath woman . . . but perhaps he was not? Maybe he knows more than he's currently letting on - PURELY speculating and guessing her. No one really knows that this stage. There are always bizarre twists and turns in these murder cases that few people can predict!

That should take nothing away from the raw, terrible tragedy of this! She was a daughter, a friend, and a quickly emerging talent in All Terrain Racing!


Occam's razor.
Strickland wanted to bang/date Mo without his current girlfriend finding out. Dude had a rep as a player.
Armstrong found out, lost her shit, and killed Mo. Not much more complicated than that.
If this was anywhere with sane gun laws, they would have had nasty words and a fist fight, but it's Texas, so it's guns and death.


Curious…do you mean sane gun laws like Chicago or New York City? Or are you merely a lemming, piling on crazy ole’ Texas?

Because I’d wager Texas has far less shooting deaths than Illinois or New York…who have much stricter gun laws…

Then you’d lose that wager.

On a per-capita basis, red states are about 2x the level of gun-related deaths to blue states.
For the exact reason you’ (not you, clearly - generic ‘you’) would logically expect -
due to guns being far more prevalent and easily obtained in red states.

It’s almost as if more guns = more gun-related deaths?
Nah. That’s unpossible.

It’s not like Murcia leads the developed world in gun ownership, by a ridiculously huge margin.
And also leads the world in gun deaths, also by a ridiculously huge margin.


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Curious…do you mean sane gun laws like Chicago or New York City? Or are you merely a lemming, piling on crazy ole’ Texas? //

I think the real lemmings when it comes to guns, are the MAGA crowd, the far right and the plugged in FOX crowd. You know, the ones who think that gun laws here in the US are somehow in a vacuum. They like to point to places who are trying to tighten up there areas, and how it often doesn't help that much. They are so dumb and clueless, that they cannot see the gun shop across the county or state line still pumping guns into these areas. Those would be your lemmings, the ones that like to say if you cannot cure all the problems, and right now, what is the point?...
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Re: Mo Wilson Killed in Austin [Murphy'sLaw] [ In reply to ]
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Murphy'sLaw wrote:
zooropa wrote:
NordicSkier wrote:
Fleck wrote:
Wow, this makes Strickland look even worse.......denied knowing the victim, at first questioning, and also the $450k "investment" money (he did ask for it back!)


Reading the Yahoo News story about some of the latest news on this case, my gut tells me there is all kinds of things about the behind-the-scenes goings on that will be coming out later. Maybe, Colin Strickland, was just really unlucky to hook-up with an exponentially overly jealous, ticking time-bomb of a psychopath woman . . . but perhaps he was not? Maybe he knows more than he's currently letting on - PURELY speculating and guessing her. No one really knows that this stage. There are always bizarre twists and turns in these murder cases that few people can predict!

That should take nothing away from the raw, terrible tragedy of this! She was a daughter, a friend, and a quickly emerging talent in All Terrain Racing!


Occam's razor.
Strickland wanted to bang/date Mo without his current girlfriend finding out. Dude had a rep as a player.
Armstrong found out, lost her shit, and killed Mo. Not much more complicated than that.
If this was anywhere with sane gun laws, they would have had nasty words and a fist fight, but it's Texas, so it's guns and death.



Curious…do you mean sane gun laws like Chicago or New York City? Or are you merely a lemming, piling on crazy ole’ Texas?

Because I’d wager Texas has far less shooting deaths than Illinois or New York…who have much stricter gun laws…


Then you’d lose that wager.

On a per-capita basis, red states are about 2x the level of gun-related deaths to blue states.
For the exact reason you’ (not you, clearly - generic ‘you’) would logically expect -
due to guns being far more prevalent and easily obtained in red states.

It’s almost as if more guns = more gun-related deaths?
Nah. That’s unpossible.

It’s not like Murcia leads the developed world in gun ownership, by a ridiculously huge margin.
And also leads the world in gun deaths, also by a ridiculously huge margin.

I understand what you are saying…I did not do a great job making my real point…i just think it is really narrow minded thinking to say this murder happened because of a gun law or lack there of.

As to your point I’d lose my wager…you are correct I was wrong. But you are not fully correct either…pertaining to the 3 states I mentioned…you are right on the mark with New York…but Texas and Illinois have basically equal gun mortality rates per the CDC. Texas 14.2, Illinois 14.1/100,000. While one state has much stricter gun laws…
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Curious…do you mean sane gun laws like Chicago or New York City? Or are you merely a lemming, piling on crazy ole’ Texas? //

I think the real lemmings when it comes to guns, are the MAGA crowd, the far right and the plugged in FOX crowd. You know, the ones who think that gun laws here in the US are somehow in a vacuum. They like to point to places who are trying to tighten up there areas, and how it often doesn't help that much. They are so dumb and clueless, that they cannot see the gun shop across the county or state line still pumping guns into these areas. Those would be your lemmings, the ones that like to say if you cannot cure all the problems, and right now, what is the point?...


Didn’t vote for trump…sorry Monty…and it’s just the California thing to paint anyone you don’t agree with as someone who watches FOX…this shit is so fucking tired…
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Re: Mo Wilson Killed in Austin [Murphy'sLaw] [ In reply to ]
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Murphy'sLaw wrote:
zooropa wrote:
NordicSkier wrote:
Fleck wrote:
Wow, this makes Strickland look even worse.......denied knowing the victim, at first questioning, and also the $450k "investment" money (he did ask for it back!)


Reading the Yahoo News story about some of the latest news on this case, my gut tells me there is all kinds of things about the behind-the-scenes goings on that will be coming out later. Maybe, Colin Strickland, was just really unlucky to hook-up with an exponentially overly jealous, ticking time-bomb of a psychopath woman . . . but perhaps he was not? Maybe he knows more than he's currently letting on - PURELY speculating and guessing her. No one really knows that this stage. There are always bizarre twists and turns in these murder cases that few people can predict!

That should take nothing away from the raw, terrible tragedy of this! She was a daughter, a friend, and a quickly emerging talent in All Terrain Racing!


Occam's razor.
Strickland wanted to bang/date Mo without his current girlfriend finding out. Dude had a rep as a player.
Armstrong found out, lost her shit, and killed Mo. Not much more complicated than that.
If this was anywhere with sane gun laws, they would have had nasty words and a fist fight, but it's Texas, so it's guns and death.


Curious…do you mean sane gun laws like Chicago or New York City? Or are you merely a lemming, piling on crazy ole’ Texas?

Because I’d wager Texas has far less shooting deaths than Illinois or New York…who have much stricter gun laws…


Then you’d lose that wager.

On a per-capita basis, red states are about 2x the level of gun-related deaths to blue states.
For the exact reason you’ (not you, clearly - generic ‘you’) would logically expect -
due to guns being far more prevalent and easily obtained in red states.

It’s almost as if more guns = more gun-related deaths?
Nah. That’s unpossible.

It’s not like Murcia leads the developed world in gun ownership, by a ridiculously huge margin.
And also leads the world in gun deaths, also by a ridiculously huge margin.


There is almost no difference per 100k between Illinois (14.1 Deaths) and Texas (14.2 Deaths).

Can you explain why Delaware and Louisiana are so high? Louisiana may be purple, but the gun crime comes from one city, which is BLUE as can be.

Washed up footy player turned Triathlete.
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I didn't call you out personally, did the description offend you though? You know what is tired, people that parrot the talking points of all the right wing media and outlets, but then pretend they came up with those assumptions all on their own. Do you really expect that recent tougher gun laws are going to magically make things way better overnight?

It took us 100's of years to get to this place in our history, it will at the very least take many, many decades to get us out of it. We are at the very beginning of trying to do something about gun violence here in the US, and to cherry pick a county here and there who have begun that process, and call them out because it is still bad there, well seems kind of tired too, no?
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Curious…do you mean sane gun laws like Chicago or New York City? Or are you merely a lemming, piling on crazy ole’ Texas? //

I think the real lemmings when it comes to guns, are the MAGA crowd, the far right and the plugged in FOX crowd. You know, the ones who think that gun laws here in the US are somehow in a vacuum. They like to point to places who are trying to tighten up there areas, and how it often doesn't help that much. They are so dumb and clueless, that they cannot see the gun shop across the county or state line still pumping guns into these areas. Those would be your lemmings, the ones that like to say if you cannot cure all the problems, and right now, what is the point?...

Things like MAGA and CIS belong in the lavender room. Both are pejorative terms.

Washed up footy player turned Triathlete.
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I didn't call you out personally, did the description offend you though? You know what is tired, people that parrot the talking points of all the right wing media and outlets, but then pretend they came up with those assumptions all on their own. Do you really expect that recent tougher gun laws are going to magically make things way better overnight?

It took us 100's of years to get to this place in our history, it will at the very least take many, many decades to get us out of it. We are at the very beginning of trying to do something about gun violence here in the US, and to cherry pick a county here and there who have begun that process, and call them out because it is still bad there, well seems kind of tired too, no?


You continue to make my points for me…

Monty talking equals supremely nuanced opinions and anything else is a “talking point†so you can label people…again…fucking tired
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Re: Mo Wilson Killed in Austin [Andres] [ In reply to ]
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Andres wrote:
xtrpickels wrote:
mdana87 wrote:
and...


"One of the warrants states that Strickland texted Armstrong right after dropping off Wilson at 8:36 p.m., a minute before police say her Jeep showed up on surveillance video outside the crime scene."

Sounds like there should be some charges filed against some accomplices. So disgusting.


What did the text message say?
Seems pertinent, no?


Is it such a stretch to think that "on my way home, what's for dinner..." could have been the signal that Strickland dropped off Mo at the house she was staying at? Maybe it wasn't that, but maybe it was. I guess I wasn't the only one who thought the timing was interesting, regardless of what the actual message said.

Edit to add, clearly this dude is a scumbag, scumbags do scummy things, which can mean cheating on a partner/spouse or helping someone commit a very serious crime.

Why would this Strickland guy want her dead?
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People, let’s get back on track here. https://www.crimeonline.com/...ports/?fs=e&s=cl[/url]

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Re: Mo Wilson Killed in Austin [TheStroBro] [ In reply to ]
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TheStroBro wrote:
Murphy'sLaw wrote:
zooropa wrote:
NordicSkier wrote:
Fleck wrote:
Wow, this makes Strickland look even worse.......denied knowing the victim, at first questioning, and also the $450k "investment" money (he did ask for it back!)


Reading the Yahoo News story about some of the latest news on this case, my gut tells me there is all kinds of things about the behind-the-scenes goings on that will be coming out later. Maybe, Colin Strickland, was just really unlucky to hook-up with an exponentially overly jealous, ticking time-bomb of a psychopath woman . . . but perhaps he was not? Maybe he knows more than he's currently letting on - PURELY speculating and guessing her. No one really knows that this stage. There are always bizarre twists and turns in these murder cases that few people can predict!

That should take nothing away from the raw, terrible tragedy of this! She was a daughter, a friend, and a quickly emerging talent in All Terrain Racing!


Occam's razor.
Strickland wanted to bang/date Mo without his current girlfriend finding out. Dude had a rep as a player.
Armstrong found out, lost her shit, and killed Mo. Not much more complicated than that.
If this was anywhere with sane gun laws, they would have had nasty words and a fist fight, but it's Texas, so it's guns and death.


Curious…do you mean sane gun laws like Chicago or New York City? Or are you merely a lemming, piling on crazy ole’ Texas?

Because I’d wager Texas has far less shooting deaths than Illinois or New York…who have much stricter gun laws…


Then you’d lose that wager.

On a per-capita basis, red states are about 2x the level of gun-related deaths to blue states.
For the exact reason you’ (not you, clearly - generic ‘you’) would logically expect -
due to guns being far more prevalent and easily obtained in red states.

It’s almost as if more guns = more gun-related deaths?
Nah. That’s unpossible.

It’s not like Murcia leads the developed world in gun ownership, by a ridiculously huge margin.
And also leads the world in gun deaths, also by a ridiculously huge margin.


There is almost no difference per 100k between Illinois (14.1 Deaths) and Texas (14.2 Deaths).

Can you explain why Delaware and Louisiana are so high? Louisiana may be purple, but the gun crime comes from one city, which is BLUE as can be.

Delaware is 25th, not really sure I’d call that high per se…more like almost exactly in the middle. Though it did jump a bit from 2019 (9.9) to 2020 (14.4). Given that the majority of firearm desths in Delaware are suicides and not homicides, perhaps there was an increase in firearm related suicides which lead to this jump

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Hello logella and All,

Some of you may have followed Seth Davidson some time back .... 'Cycling in the South Bay' ... with his daily (for many years) post on all things bicycle (it is not about the bicycle).

Seth left Palos Verdes some time ago and lives in the mountains up toward Lake Isabella, CA. about 144.9 miles from Valyermo.

After a couple of years off the grid ... he is now cranking out a post most every day again ...

You might find his take on Mo Wilson murder interesting ... Seth is also an attorney ... and can recite about 6 hours of Chaucer's 'Canterbury Tales' ... in middle english ... from memory.

https://citsb.com/...strickland-murderer/





Cheers, Neal

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Thanks for posting this. Interesting read -- probably too quick to excuse Armstrong's alleged actions, but makes a well argued case, and I certainly agree with his assessment of Strickland.
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nealhe wrote:
Hello logella and All,

Some of you may have followed Seth Davidson some time back .... 'Cycling in the South Bay' ... with his daily (for many years) post on all things bicycle (it is not about the bicycle).

Seth left Palos Verdes some time ago and lives in the mountains up toward Lake Isabella, CA. about 144.9 miles from Valyermo.

After a couple of years off the grid ... he is now cranking out a post most every day again ...

You might find his take on Mo Wilson murder interesting ... Seth is also an attorney ... and can speak about 6 hours of Chaucer's 'Canterbury Tales' ... in middle english ... from memory.

https://citsb.com/...strickland-murderer/




Wow. That’s an amazing article.

Hmmm - a malignant narcissist gaslighting people into committing crimes on their behalf, then acting like they had nothing to do with it?

That sounds kinda familiar….
/ end pink.


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Re: Mo Wilson Killed in Austin [zooropa] [ In reply to ]
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zooropa wrote:
Murphy'sLaw wrote:
zooropa wrote:
NordicSkier wrote:
Fleck wrote:
Wow, this makes Strickland look even worse.......denied knowing the victim, at first questioning, and also the $450k "investment" money (he did ask for it back!)


Reading the Yahoo News story about some of the latest news on this case, my gut tells me there is all kinds of things about the behind-the-scenes goings on that will be coming out later. Maybe, Colin Strickland, was just really unlucky to hook-up with an exponentially overly jealous, ticking time-bomb of a psychopath woman . . . but perhaps he was not? Maybe he knows more than he's currently letting on - PURELY speculating and guessing her. No one really knows that this stage. There are always bizarre twists and turns in these murder cases that few people can predict!

That should take nothing away from the raw, terrible tragedy of this! She was a daughter, a friend, and a quickly emerging talent in All Terrain Racing!


Occam's razor.
Strickland wanted to bang/date Mo without his current girlfriend finding out. Dude had a rep as a player.
Armstrong found out, lost her shit, and killed Mo. Not much more complicated than that.
If this was anywhere with sane gun laws, they would have had nasty words and a fist fight, but it's Texas, so it's guns and death.



Curious…do you mean sane gun laws like Chicago or New York City? Or are you merely a lemming, piling on crazy ole’ Texas?

Because I’d wager Texas has far less shooting deaths than Illinois or New York…who have much stricter gun laws…


Then you’d lose that wager.

On a per-capita basis, red states are about 2x the level of gun-related deaths to blue states.
For the exact reason you’ (not you, clearly - generic ‘you’) would logically expect -
due to guns being far more prevalent and easily obtained in red states.

It’s almost as if more guns = more gun-related deaths?
Nah. That’s unpossible.

It’s not like Murcia leads the developed world in gun ownership, by a ridiculously huge margin.
And also leads the world in gun deaths, also by a ridiculously huge margin.

I understand what you are saying…I did not do a great job making my real point…i just think it is really narrow minded thinking to say this murder happened because of a gun law or lack there of.

As to your point I’d lose my wager…you are correct I was wrong. But you are not fully correct either…pertaining to the 3 states I mentioned…you are right on the mark with New York…but Texas and Illinois have basically equal gun mortality rates per the CDC. Texas 14.2, Illinois 14.1/100,000. While one state has much stricter gun laws…

The majority of guns used in crimes in Illinois come from across state lines, where there are some of the latest gun laws in the country. Not to mention that there is a large section of red in the state with mostly just the cities being blue. Lot of guns in Illinois
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Re: Mo Wilson Killed in Austin [TheStroBro] [ In reply to ]
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TheStroBro wrote:
Murphy'sLaw wrote:
zooropa wrote:
NordicSkier wrote:
Fleck wrote:
Wow, this makes Strickland look even worse.......denied knowing the victim, at first questioning, and also the $450k "investment" money (he did ask for it back!)


Reading the Yahoo News story about some of the latest news on this case, my gut tells me there is all kinds of things about the behind-the-scenes goings on that will be coming out later. Maybe, Colin Strickland, was just really unlucky to hook-up with an exponentially overly jealous, ticking time-bomb of a psychopath woman . . . but perhaps he was not? Maybe he knows more than he's currently letting on - PURELY speculating and guessing her. No one really knows that this stage. There are always bizarre twists and turns in these murder cases that few people can predict!

That should take nothing away from the raw, terrible tragedy of this! She was a daughter, a friend, and a quickly emerging talent in All Terrain Racing!


Occam's razor.
Strickland wanted to bang/date Mo without his current girlfriend finding out. Dude had a rep as a player.
Armstrong found out, lost her shit, and killed Mo. Not much more complicated than that.
If this was anywhere with sane gun laws, they would have had nasty words and a fist fight, but it's Texas, so it's guns and death.


Curious…do you mean sane gun laws like Chicago or New York City? Or are you merely a lemming, piling on crazy ole’ Texas?

Because I’d wager Texas has far less shooting deaths than Illinois or New York…who have much stricter gun laws…


Then you’d lose that wager.

On a per-capita basis, red states are about 2x the level of gun-related deaths to blue states.
For the exact reason you’ (not you, clearly - generic ‘you’) would logically expect -
due to guns being far more prevalent and easily obtained in red states.

It’s almost as if more guns = more gun-related deaths?
Nah. That’s unpossible.

It’s not like Murcia leads the developed world in gun ownership, by a ridiculously huge margin.
And also leads the world in gun deaths, also by a ridiculously huge margin.


There is almost no difference per 100k between Illinois (14.1 Deaths) and Texas (14.2 Deaths).

Can you explain why Delaware and Louisiana are so high? Louisiana may be purple, but the gun crime comes from one city, which is BLUE as can be.

As has been explained before, if you have a place with strict gun laws surrounded by places that have none, that unfortunately doesn't fully work. It's essentially the same thing as COVID
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nealhe wrote:
Hello logella and All,

Some of you may have followed Seth Davidson some time back .... 'Cycling in the South Bay' ... with his daily (for many years) post on all things bicycle (it is not about the bicycle).

Seth left Palos Verdes some time ago and lives in the mountains up toward Lake Isabella, CA. about 144.9 miles from Valyermo.

After a couple of years off the grid ... he is now cranking out a post most every day again ...

You might find his take on Mo Wilson murder interesting ... Seth is also an attorney ... and can speak about 6 hours of Chaucer's 'Canterbury Tales' ... in middle english ... from memory.

https://citsb.com/...strickland-murderer/





Wow. That’s an amazing article.

Hmmm - a malignant narcissist gaslighting people into committing crimes on their behalf, then acting like they had nothing to do with it?

That sounds kinda familiar….
/ end pink.

It's also incredibly speculative unless this guy actually knows Strickland and was privy to his relationship with Armstrong. He's taken a couple of facts and done a huge amount of speculation.

Is every person that cheats a narcissist? How does he have any idea Strickland was gaslighting Armstrong as opposed to her just being bat shit crazy?
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How does he have any idea Strickland was gaslighting Armstrong as opposed to her just being bat shit crazy?


His last text to Armstrong was pure gaslighting. He had just gone swimming with a romantic interest, and texted to Armstrong a lie that he was delivering flowers and his phone died. And, what do you want for dinner?

His other texts in the police affidavit indicate he was also gaslighting Wilson.

She's also batshit crazy, though.
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trail wrote:
ThisIsIt wrote:

How does he have any idea Strickland was gaslighting Armstrong as opposed to her just being bat shit crazy?


His last text to Armstrong was pure gaslighting. He had just gone swimming with a romantic interest, and texted to Armstrong a lie that he was delivering flowers and his phone died. And, what do you want for dinner?

His other texts in the police affidavit indicate he was also gaslighting Wilson.

She's also batshit crazy, though.

My understanding of gaslighting, is that it is manipulating someone into thinking they are crazy. I don't see lying to cover your ass when you're cheating as necessarily having anything to do with that?
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I don't see lying to cover your ass when you're cheating as necessarily having anything to do with that?

Sure, there's judgment call to when lying becomes gaslighting. With Armstrong apparently feeling very paranoid about the relationship with Wilson, and Strickland creating a separate reality where he's delivering flowers and picking up dinner, that passes the bar to gaslighting pretty easily for me.

A better example of gaslighting, though is this text exchange with Wilson that ends with, "Hey Mo - I feel very shitty for putting you in a position where you don't feel comfortable..."
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TheStroBro wrote:
Murphy'sLaw wrote:
zooropa wrote:
NordicSkier wrote:
Fleck wrote:
Wow, this makes Strickland look even worse.......denied knowing the victim, at first questioning, and also the $450k "investment" money (he did ask for it back!)


Reading the Yahoo News story about some of the latest news on this case, my gut tells me there is all kinds of things about the behind-the-scenes goings on that will be coming out later. Maybe, Colin Strickland, was just really unlucky to hook-up with an exponentially overly jealous, ticking time-bomb of a psychopath woman . . . but perhaps he was not? Maybe he knows more than he's currently letting on - PURELY speculating and guessing her. No one really knows that this stage. There are always bizarre twists and turns in these murder cases that few people can predict!

That should take nothing away from the raw, terrible tragedy of this! She was a daughter, a friend, and a quickly emerging talent in All Terrain Racing!


Occam's razor.
Strickland wanted to bang/date Mo without his current girlfriend finding out. Dude had a rep as a player.
Armstrong found out, lost her shit, and killed Mo. Not much more complicated than that.
If this was anywhere with sane gun laws, they would have had nasty words and a fist fight, but it's Texas, so it's guns and death.



Curious…do you mean sane gun laws like Chicago or New York City? Or are you merely a lemming, piling on crazy ole’ Texas?

Because I’d wager Texas has far less shooting deaths than Illinois or New York…who have much stricter gun laws…


Then you’d lose that wager.

On a per-capita basis, red states are about 2x the level of gun-related deaths to blue states.
For the exact reason you’ (not you, clearly - generic ‘you’) would logically expect -
due to guns being far more prevalent and easily obtained in red states.

It’s almost as if more guns = more gun-related deaths?
Nah. That’s unpossible.

It’s not like Murcia leads the developed world in gun ownership, by a ridiculously huge margin.
And also leads the world in gun deaths, also by a ridiculously huge margin.


There is almost no difference per 100k between Illinois (14.1 Deaths) and Texas (14.2 Deaths).

Can you explain why Delaware and Louisiana are so high? Louisiana may be purple, but the gun crime comes from one city, which is BLUE as can be.


As has been explained before, if you have a place with strict gun laws surrounded by places that have none, that unfortunately doesn't fully work. It's essentially the same thing as COVID

Lol wtf, did you really just bring up COVID? Where none of the public health policies worked.

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Off topic, but as someone who has worked in healthcare for over 10 years and has a background in public health and also spent close to 2 years working in a COVID ICU I would have to disagree with you on that

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Re: Mo Wilson Killed in Austin [TheStroBro] [ In reply to ]
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Watching Americans argue about guns... SMH. Look outside your borders once in a while.
Most of the civilized world figured out that guns are bad a long time ago and now gun deaths are now relatively rare (but not zero).
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Watching Americans argue about guns... SMH. Look outside your borders once in a while.
Most of the civilized world figured out that guns are bad a long time ago and now gun deaths are now relatively rare (but not zero).

You're right and the problem is that the US is not a civil society. Texas' good guy with a gun certainly didn't help out this victim (or the victims at Uvalde, either).

But this said, it will be interesting to see how the gravel community, sponsors, and promoters manage this issue longer-term.
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Hello DonV and All,

Pertinent to your comment: "
But this said, it will be interesting to see how the gravel community, sponsors, and promoters manage this issue longer-term."


Seth (The Wandering Sole) had some comments about gravel events .....

https://citsb.com/2022/07/17/__trashed-4/




Cheers, Neal

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Re: Mo Wilson Killed in Austin [nealhe] [ In reply to ]
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Hello DonV and All,

Pertinent to your comment: "
But this said, it will be interesting to see how the gravel community, sponsors, and promoters manage this issue longer-term."


Seth (The Wandering Sole) had some comments about gravel events .....

https://citsb.com/2022/07/17/__trashed-4/



Thank you for the link--this is a good read. The article's narrative could very well be describing pro triathlon, too, as well as track racing at the turn of the 20th century.
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Re: Mo Wilson Killed in Austin [nealhe] [ In reply to ]
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nealhe wrote:
Hello DonV and All,

Pertinent to your comment: "
But this said, it will be interesting to see how the gravel community, sponsors, and promoters manage this issue longer-term."


Seth (The Wandering Sole) had some comments about gravel events .....

https://citsb.com/2022/07/17/__trashed-4/



Wow! Seth might need a therapy session for all the hate he has for gravel. Yikes!
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Re: Mo Wilson Killed in Austin [daustin] [ In reply to ]
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daustin wrote:
nealhe wrote:
Hello DonV and All,

Pertinent to your comment: "
But this said, it will be interesting to see how the gravel community, sponsors, and promoters manage this issue longer-term."


Seth (The Wandering Sole) had some comments about gravel events .....

https://citsb.com/2022/07/17/__trashed-4/




Wow! Seth might need a therapy session for all the hate he has for gravel. Yikes!

I only skimmed the first part of the article but it seems like an essential part of the problem is people trying to "professionalize" what is for all intents and purposes are participatory sports.
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Re: Mo Wilson Killed in Austin [daustin] [ In reply to ]
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Yeah, lighten up Francis. Dude is bitter about something. He must be fun at parties.
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Re: Mo Wilson Killed in Austin [ThisIsIt] [ In reply to ]
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ThisIsIt wrote:
daustin wrote:
nealhe wrote:
Hello DonV and All,

Pertinent to your comment: "
But this said, it will be interesting to see how the gravel community, sponsors, and promoters manage this issue longer-term."


Seth (The Wandering Sole) had some comments about gravel events .....

https://citsb.com/2022/07/17/__trashed-4/




Wow! Seth might need a therapy session for all the hate he has for gravel. Yikes!

I only skimmed the first part of the article but it seems like an essential part of the problem is people trying to "professionalize" what is for all intents and purposes are participatory sports.

definitely something to that. I love gravel “racing†but I’m rarely sniffing anywhere near the podium so I’m “racing†against my own goals, friends, etc.

Don’t get me wrong, at some of the big gravel events it’s cool having the pros there and see what sort of impressive times they can put up. But almost all the gravel events I do have zero pros. They’re smaller event in my local or region area often with a couple hundred or maybe slightly more riders. And it’s seems Seth only knows about the $240 gravel races that the pros do.
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Re: Mo Wilson Killed in Austin [daustin] [ In reply to ]
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daustin wrote:
nealhe wrote:
Hello DonV and All,

Pertinent to your comment: "
But this said, it will be interesting to see how the gravel community, sponsors, and promoters manage this issue longer-term."


Seth (The Wandering Sole) had some comments about gravel events .....

https://citsb.com/2022/07/17/__trashed-4/




Wow! Seth might need a therapy session for all the hate he has for gravel. Yikes!

Seems he hates most things, but his comments re: gravel seem pretty spot on to me.
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Re: Mo Wilson Killed in Austin [DonV] [ In reply to ]
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DonV wrote:
NordicSkier wrote:
Watching Americans argue about guns... SMH. Look outside your borders once in a while.
Most of the civilized world figured out that guns are bad a long time ago and now gun deaths are now relatively rare (but not zero).


You're right and the problem is that the US is not a civil society. Texas' good guy with a gun certainly didn't help out this victim (or the victims at Uvalde, either).

But this said, it will be interesting to see how the gravel community, sponsors, and promoters manage this issue longer-term.

There were 'good guys with guns' at Uvalde, but they were prevented by the police (cowards, all of them) from acting.
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Re: Mo Wilson Killed in Austin [Dolfan] [ In reply to ]
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Yeah, lighten up Francis.
Finally, someone that gets my She's the One references!! :)
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Not really. Most of the riders up front have actual contracts with actual sponsors who pay good money. Front of pack gravel racers probably make more than your average racer in any other cycling discipline, that's for sure. Also, the fields are quite a bit deeper than he describes, and the depth of the field is increasing. Not bad for something that's existed as a stand-alone discipline for only a few years
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Re: Mo Wilson Killed in Austin [logella] [ In reply to ]
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Armstrong pleads not guilty and her attorneys are suggesting there is more to the story than has been reported.

https://www.cnn.com/...ot-guilty/index.html

https://www.statesman.com/...october/65378126007/





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The not guilty plea is a nothing to read into. A defendant, barring some sort of previous agreement with the prosecution and court, is required to plea not guilty. It’s a question asked in court that only has one actual answer.

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Re: Mo Wilson Killed in Austin [refthimos] [ In reply to ]
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Armstrong pleads not guilty and her attorneys are suggesting there is more to the story than has been reported.

https://www.cnn.com/...ot-guilty/index.html

https://www.statesman.com/...october/65378126007/




My guess is some sort of self defense. Armstrong confronted her about trying to steal her boyfriend, Mo attacked her, and so she shot her.
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Re: Mo Wilson Killed in Austin [ThisIsIt] [ In reply to ]
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refthimos wrote:
Armstrong pleads not guilty and her attorneys are suggesting there is more to the story than has been reported.

https://www.cnn.com/...ot-guilty/index.html

https://www.statesman.com/...october/65378126007/




My guess is some sort of self defense. Armstrong confronted her about trying to steal her boyfriend, Mo attacked her, and so she shot her.

You show up at somebody else’s place, with a gun, to confront them -
there’s nothing “self-defense†about that, at all.

Plus, the whole “fleeing the authorities, leaving the country, having cosmetic surgery to alter your appearance, etcâ€.

… totally the actions of somebody who was just defending themselves. đŸ™„
/ end pink.


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Murphy'sLaw wrote:
ThisIsIt wrote:
refthimos wrote:
Armstrong pleads not guilty and her attorneys are suggesting there is more to the story than has been reported.

https://www.cnn.com/...ot-guilty/index.html

https://www.statesman.com/...october/65378126007/





My guess is some sort of self defense. Armstrong confronted her about trying to steal her boyfriend, Mo attacked her, and so she shot her.


You show up at somebody else’s place, with a gun, to confront them -
there’s nothing “self-defense†about that, at all.

Plus, the whole “fleeing the authorities, leaving the country, having cosmetic surgery to alter your appearance, etcâ€.

… totally the actions of somebody who was just defending themselves. đŸ™„
/ end pink.

No shit, but they have to come up with some kind of defense.
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Bottom of second article: Cofer, lawyer for Armstong, mentions someone vandalized Strickland and Armstrong's residence before the incident. This is the first I've heard of that. I may have missed it before. Is this old news?

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Re: Mo Wilson Killed in Austin [DrAlexHarrison] [ In reply to ]
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Bottom of second article: Cofer, lawyer for Armstong, mentions someone vandalized Strickland and Armstrong's residence before the incident. This is the first I've heard of that. I may have missed it before. Is this old news?

First I've heard of it as well & I feel I've followed this story pretty closely.

Pink? Maybe. Maybe not. You decide.
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Re: Mo Wilson Killed in Austin [Murphy'sLaw] [ In reply to ]
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Murphy'sLaw wrote:
ThisIsIt wrote:
refthimos wrote:
Armstrong pleads not guilty and her attorneys are suggesting there is more to the story than has been reported.

https://www.cnn.com/...ot-guilty/index.html

https://www.statesman.com/...october/65378126007/





My guess is some sort of self defense. Armstrong confronted her about trying to steal her boyfriend, Mo attacked her, and so she shot her.


You show up at somebody else’s place, with a gun, to confront them -
there’s nothing “self-defense†about that, at all.


Plus, the whole “fleeing the authorities, leaving the country, having cosmetic surgery to alter your appearance, etcâ€.

… totally the actions of somebody who was just defending themselves. đŸ™„
/ end pink.

She was probably wearing a hoodie.
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Re: Mo Wilson Killed in Austin [ThisIsIt] [ In reply to ]
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ThisIsIt wrote:
Murphy'sLaw wrote:
ThisIsIt wrote:
refthimos wrote:
Armstrong pleads not guilty and her attorneys are suggesting there is more to the story than has been reported.

https://www.cnn.com/...ot-guilty/index.html

https://www.statesman.com/...october/65378126007/





My guess is some sort of self defense. Armstrong confronted her about trying to steal her boyfriend, Mo attacked her, and so she shot her.


You show up at somebody else’s place, with a gun, to confront them -
there’s nothing “self-defense†about that, at all.

Plus, the whole “fleeing the authorities, leaving the country, having cosmetic surgery to alter your appearance, etcâ€.

… totally the actions of somebody who was just defending themselves. đŸ™„
/ end pink.


No shit, but they have to come up with some kind of defense.

But also, this happened in Texas. The above course of events is way outside of innocence, but if they can craft a story where Armstrong 'exercised her right as a citizen to carry a firearm', made a legal if not morally questionable visit to a love rival, and then 'feared for her life' and 'exercised her right to self defense'.

The defense is also going to argue that fleeing the country, hair and face changes are not relevant to the case and try to keep them out of the evidence. It probably won't work, but weirder things have happened.
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Re: Mo Wilson Killed in Austin [mathematics] [ In reply to ]
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mathematics wrote:
ThisIsIt wrote:
Murphy'sLaw wrote:
ThisIsIt wrote:
refthimos wrote:
Armstrong pleads not guilty and her attorneys are suggesting there is more to the story than has been reported.

https://www.cnn.com/...ot-guilty/index.html

https://www.statesman.com/...october/65378126007/





My guess is some sort of self defense. Armstrong confronted her about trying to steal her boyfriend, Mo attacked her, and so she shot her.


You show up at somebody else’s place, with a gun, to confront them -
there’s nothing “self-defense†about that, at all.

Plus, the whole “fleeing the authorities, leaving the country, having cosmetic surgery to alter your appearance, etcâ€.

… totally the actions of somebody who was just defending themselves. đŸ™„
/ end pink.


No shit, but they have to come up with some kind of defense.


But also, this happened in Texas. The above course of events is way outside of innocence, but if they can craft a story where Armstrong 'exercised her right as a citizen to carry a firearm', made a legal if not morally questionable visit to a love rival, and then 'feared for her life' and 'exercised her right to self defense'.

The defense is also going to argue that fleeing the country, hair and face changes are not relevant to the case and try to keep them out of the evidence. It probably won't work, but weirder things have happened.

Yes, I didn't want to bring up the Texas angle too. You only need to get one contrarian, jack-off on the jury.
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Murphy'sLaw wrote:
ThisIsIt wrote:
refthimos wrote:
Armstrong pleads not guilty and her attorneys are suggesting there is more to the story than has been reported.

https://www.cnn.com/...ot-guilty/index.html

https://www.statesman.com/...october/65378126007/





My guess is some sort of self defense. Armstrong confronted her about trying to steal her boyfriend, Mo attacked her, and so she shot her.


You show up at somebody else’s place, with a gun, to confront them -
there’s nothing “self-defense†about that, at all.

Plus, the whole “fleeing the authorities, leaving the country, having cosmetic surgery to alter your appearance, etcâ€.

… totally the actions of somebody who was just defending themselves. đŸ™„
/ end pink.

She could always say "I was waving the gun to defend myself and it went off; I didn't mean to shoot her, nevermind kill her



... then I panicked and went on the run"

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Re: Mo Wilson Killed in Austin [mathematics] [ In reply to ]
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I really want to be called to jury duty for this case.

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Re: Mo Wilson Killed in Austin [ThisIsIt] [ In reply to ]
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ThisIsIt wrote:
mathematics wrote:
ThisIsIt wrote:
Murphy'sLaw wrote:
ThisIsIt wrote:
refthimos wrote:
Armstrong pleads not guilty and her attorneys are suggesting there is more to the story than has been reported.

https://www.cnn.com/...ot-guilty/index.html

https://www.statesman.com/...october/65378126007/





My guess is some sort of self defense. Armstrong confronted her about trying to steal her boyfriend, Mo attacked her, and so she shot her.


You show up at somebody else’s place, with a gun, to confront them -
there’s nothing “self-defense†about that, at all.

Plus, the whole “fleeing the authorities, leaving the country, having cosmetic surgery to alter your appearance, etcâ€.

… totally the actions of somebody who was just defending themselves. đŸ™„
/ end pink.


No shit, but they have to come up with some kind of defense.


But also, this happened in Texas. The above course of events is way outside of innocence, but if they can craft a story where Armstrong 'exercised her right as a citizen to carry a firearm', made a legal if not morally questionable visit to a love rival, and then 'feared for her life' and 'exercised her right to self defense'.

The defense is also going to argue that fleeing the country, hair and face changes are not relevant to the case and try to keep them out of the evidence. It probably won't work, but weirder things have happened.


Yes, I didn't want to bring up the Texas angle too. You only need to get one contrarian, jack-off on the jury.

Jury selection is the absolute most important aspect of any trial. More important than innocence or guilt, ironically.
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TSTriATX wrote:
I really want to be called to jury duty for this case.

I'd say unless you lie to them, there's no way you'll get in.
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She should have just waited until Mo was cycling, then run her over in her vehicle, which would have been a modest fine.
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Re: Mo Wilson Killed in Austin [ThisIsIt] [ In reply to ]
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TSTriATX wrote:
I really want to be called to jury duty for this case.


I'd say unless you lie to them, there's no way you'll get in.

100% won't get in, but still want to be called.

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Re: Mo Wilson Killed in Austin [ThisIsIt] [ In reply to ]
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TSTriATX wrote:
I really want to be called to jury duty for this case.

I'd say unless you lie to them, there's no way you'll get in.


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Re: Mo Wilson Killed in Austin [TSTriATX] [ In reply to ]
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TSTriATX wrote:
I really want to be called to jury duty for this case.

I think that would immediately disqualify you from it.
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Thomas Gerlach wrote:
NordicSkier wrote:
She should have just waited until Mo was cycling, then run her over in her vehicle, which would have been a modest fine.


Sadly this is true.

If she had a big-ass truck, certainly

But she only had a Jeep

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Re: Mo Wilson Killed in Austin [RandMart] [ In reply to ]
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RandMart wrote:
Thomas Gerlach wrote:
NordicSkier wrote:
She should have just waited until Mo was cycling, then run her over in her vehicle, which would have been a modest fine.


Sadly this is true.


If she had a big-ass truck, certainly

But she only had a Jeep

what if she had been drinking?

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Re: Mo Wilson Killed in Austin [ThisIsIt] [ In reply to ]
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ThisIsIt wrote:
TSTriATX wrote:
I really want to be called to jury duty for this case.


I'd say unless you lie to them, there's no way you'll get in.


And if you were to get in, your post has just gifted both sides a 'mis-trial' card to play as desired.
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did the suspect flee with 450K or had she already returned it?
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Re: Mo Wilson Killed in Austin [mathematics] [ In reply to ]
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Interesting if their defense is that Strickland manipulated her, bought the gun and drove her to kill his other lover. Dateline material for sure.
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That Seth person linked earlier sounds like some anger issues are present.

Brilliant with the comparison of the size of the bike industry vs the legal one. I know where I’d rather waste my money, no matter how crappy certain races may be.
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NordicSkier wrote:
Watching Americans argue about guns... SMH. Look outside your borders once in a while.
Most of the civilized world figured out that guns are bad a long time ago and now gun deaths are now relatively rare (but not zero).

My dad was hardline republican. He was a very responsible and conservative about his guns but.

He had the A-list - to name a few.

AR-15
AK-47
Uzi
Walther P38

When he died my mom eventually asked me if I wanted them. I had only been married one year but my wife had such a homicidal temper I thought dear god they are going to find me with 30 rounds in my back so I declined her offer. I thought mom would be very offended but she actually just said "thank you, I didn't think you needed all of that"

I had read too many stories of parents loosing there sh*t and shooting the whole family dead.
And I was right, that conversation was 2008, 9 years later I had to divorce my wife with a restraining order. Her anger dial only had one setting - claw your face out black pupil animal rage.

First meeting at court..
My attorney: Holy sh*t, I can't believe that's her

Me: What do you mean?

My attorney: I can't believe that's the woman screaming like an animal in your recordings. She looks like a little angel, she's dressed meticulously and her voice is so soft I can barely hear her.

Me: Thats why I kept records for the last 6 years I didn't think anyone would believe me, and when you hear the recording, it matches everything I wrote on my "incident reports" i kept at work for years.

My attorney: Usually people who act like this when we meet them in court you can kind of pick up on their craziness - it comes out in little ways. With her, you can't tell at all. Thats scary, that means there is something REALLY WRONG with her.
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I've been catching up on all our favorite shows on the DVR since almost finishing Chattanooga last week and I came across the season opener of Dateline that we had DVR'd; "The Last Ride". That was probably the best Dateline I have watched since I knew the entire story from following this thread. I thought they did a really good job covering the story and it was really interesting to hear other details about the crime that were not discussed here. I came back to this thread thinking there would be some discussion about it but I didn't find anything. Hard to believe others haven't watched this, and if not, I highly recommend watching the episode if you followed this thread. The last interview in the episode is Kristen's lawyer. "Holy Cow". You'd want this guy if you were being accused of murder. What a story he has......
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Thanks for the heads up. I hadn't heard about that. I'll take a look for it and give it a watch soon.
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TJ56 wrote:
I've been catching up on all our favorite shows on the DVR since finishing Chattanooga last week and I came across the season opener of Dateline that we had DVR'd; "The Last Ride". That was probably the best Dateline I have watched since I knew the entire story from following this thread. I thought they did a really good job covering the story and it was really interesting to hear other details about the crime that were not discussed here. I came back to this thread thinking there would be some discussion about it but I didn't find anything. Hard to believe others haven't watched this, and if not, I highly recommend watching the episode if you followed this thread. The last interview in the episode is Kristen's lawyer. "Holy Cow". You'd want this guy if you were being accused of murder. What a story he has......

I watched the Dateline episode. Really good.

I still think Armstrong is guilt AF (that was definitely her vehicle pulling up to the crime scene on camera), however there looks to be a case for reasonable doubt here.

I can't figure out how the landlord didn't hear the gunshots being downstairs from the apartment.
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The US legal system with "beyond a reasonable doubt" can always make these types of cases very interesting. I would assume with this type of messy dating background issues, it's going to be very "nasty" for families to hear about their family members, etc.

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I've been catching up on all our favorite shows on the DVR since almost finishing Chattanooga last week and I came across the season opener of Dateline that we had DVR'd; "The Last Ride". That was probably the best Dateline I have watched since I knew the entire story from following this thread. I thought they did a really good job covering the story and it was really interesting to hear other details about the crime that were not discussed here. I came back to this thread thinking there would be some discussion about it but I didn't find anything. Hard to believe others haven't watched this, and if not, I highly recommend watching the episode if you followed this thread. The last interview in the episode is Kristen's lawyer. "Holy Cow". You'd want this guy if you were being accused of murder. What a story he has......

Just downloaded, thanks.
(don't want to hijack the thread, but dateline episodes are good as audio-only podcasts. Comes up very rarely that I wish I could be watching/seeing it).
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I watched the show when it first aired. Maybe it was my own personal bias, but I thought they let Strickland off lightly. IMHO, he didn't pull the trigger, but as others have said on this thread, he was the "enabler" and that was not a takeaway for me from watching this. It did provide more details than other outlets have shared however.
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I saw it when it was on as well but only up to the point she was captured in Costa Rice; I might've DVR'd it then deleted it

I'll have to watch the end on Peacock - gonna be weird watching something about bikes on Peacock w/o Bobke, CVV or Ant LOL

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The last interview in the episode is Kristen's lawyer. "Holy Cow". You'd want this guy if you were being accused of murder. What a story he has......

i wasn't impressed with the lawyer. too slick.
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I don’t have cable and don’t do the stick thing to get cable online so I can’t normally get any of these shows etc.

I listened to the audio podcast of this episode. Her lawyer is just like every defense attorney who’s speaking before a trial, they always have a thousand answers to getting their client off, blah blah blah.

If it was an random “burglary†why would the bike be left 30m from the house. Like she is guilty AF. But in today’s justice system I would only give this probably 60% chance of guilty verdict.

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TJ56 wrote:
The last interview in the episode is Kristen's lawyer. "Holy Cow". You'd want this guy if you were being accused of murder. What a story he has......


i wasn't impressed with the lawyer. too slick.

I was impressed with the version of "her" story he was concocted. It will have to be "teflon" slick to keep her from getting the needle or whatever they use in Texas. IMO she is guilty as sin!
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TJ56 wrote:
Bob Loblaw wrote:
TJ56 wrote:
The last interview in the episode is Kristen's lawyer. "Holy Cow". You'd want this guy if you were being accused of murder. What a story he has......


i wasn't impressed with the lawyer. too slick.


I was impressed with the version of "her" story he was concocted. It will have to be "teflon" slick to keep her from getting the needle or whatever they use in Texas. IMO she is guilty as sin!

Her case doesn't fit the death penalty rules so she will not be executed if found guilty.
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Morelock wrote:
RandMart wrote:
Thomas Gerlach wrote:
NordicSkier wrote:
She should have just waited until Mo was cycling, then run her over in her vehicle, which would have been a modest fine.


Sadly this is true.


If she had a big-ass truck, certainly

But she only had a Jeep


what if she had been drinking?

then she'd also need to be a police officer to get away with it.
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I've been catching up on all our favorite shows on the DVR since almost finishing Chattanooga last week and I came across the season opener of Dateline that we had DVR'd; "The Last Ride". That was probably the best Dateline I have watched since I knew the entire story from following this thread. I thought they did a really good job covering the story and it was really interesting to hear other details about the crime that were not discussed here. I came back to this thread thinking there would be some discussion about it but I didn't find anything. Hard to believe others haven't watched this, and if not, I highly recommend watching the episode if you followed this thread. The last interview in the episode is Kristen's lawyer. "Holy Cow". You'd want this guy if you were being accused of murder. What a story he has......

Finally got around to watching it. Her lawyer seems pretty confident he has a bazinga that'll either let her walk or at least provide enough reasonable doubt.

Can we talk about the part where he says "show me the proof she had plastic surgery." Uh, you only have to look at her nose...it's different.

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Some new info on the entire thing, mostly about Strickland. Seems like he was publicly pretending to be single the entire time.

Also, apparently there was a $6,300 receipt for surgery.

https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2022/11/14/a-murder-roils-the-cycling-world?utm_medium=email&utm_source=pocket_hits&utm_campaign=POCKET_HITS-EN-DAILY-SPONSORED&SIMPLISAFE-2022_11_09&sponsored=0&position=6&scheduled_corpus_item_id=85f2e841-edb9-41ba-96ce-96858541630c
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Geronimo wrote:
Some new info on the entire thing, mostly about Strickland. Seems like he was publicly pretending to be single the entire time.

Also, apparently there was a $6,300 receipt for surgery.

https://www.newyorker.com/...ba-96ce-96858541630c


Fixed

Pink? Maybe. Maybe not. You decide.
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According to Velonews her lawyer tried to suppress her interview with the Austin police because they didn't follow proper procedure and failed to read her Miranda rights. That was probably his bazinga argument. Fortunately, the judge denied the motion and delayed the trial until next year.
https://www.velonews.com/...d-until-next-summer/
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"the biggest star that gravel racing has yet produced" (referring to Strickland)


Hmm.

I don't mean to detract from the serious issue with a pedantic point, but while Strickland was on most people's top-5 list of best American male gravel racers, I didn't feel he was hands down "the biggest star of gravel racing." He was like a peer of Swenson, Ten Dam, Stetina, etc. Like those three, his stardom mostly originated elsewhere, Strickland in the defunct Red Hook fixie crit series, Swenson in mountain biking, Ten Dam and Stetina as World Tour pros.
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thanks for the updates, been following this case. had to look up what a bazinga argument was, didn't go to law school :(
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I think you probably need a spin like that to keep the family paying your billable rate!
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Outside has a long piece on this tragic case here:
https://www.outsideonline.com/...urder-gravel-racing/

The writer seems a little too close to some of the figures to provide a balanced account, so some aspects might strike you as problematic.
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Kind of a weird conclusion by Dille. Sidesteps the whole murder thing, and says the main takeaway is "folks, don't buy guns for your loved ones."
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Kind of a weird conclusion by Dille. Sidesteps the whole murder thing, and says the main takeaway is "folks, don't buy guns for your loved ones."


Agreed - it was a strange article. Dille says that he's a close friend of Strickland's - but he seems to wander all over the place and then, makes come to that conclusion about guns.

I've heard elsewhere, that apparently the Defense has info that we've not seen or know about, regarding Armstrong that will tell a different story! However, this all seems to be pretty straightforward, with all kinds of evidence to back up the fact that the jealous girlfriend killed in cold blood the other women.


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Kind of a weird conclusion by Dille. Sidesteps the whole murder thing, and says the main takeaway is "folks, don't buy guns for your loved ones."


Agreed - it was a strange article. Dille says that he's a close friend of Strickland's - but he seems to wander all over the place and then, makes come to that conclusion about guns.

I've heard elsewhere, that apparently the Defense has info that we've not seen or know about, regarding Armstrong that will tell a different story! However, this all seems to be pretty straightforward, with all kinds of evidence to back up the fact that the jealous girlfriend killed in cold blood the other women.

Watching the outrage over this article on social media. I don't get it.
Sure he was a friend of Strickland.
Strickland still comes off as an emotionally stunted douchebag who treated Armstrong terribly.
Armstrong still looks guilty AF, but maybe a bit more sympathetic given her treatment by Strickland.

And yeah, no gun, likely no dead Mo. I think that's a valid conclusion that a lot of 2A supporters are probably pissed about.
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Irezumi wrote:
Outside has a long piece on this tragic case here:
https://www.outsideonline.com/...urder-gravel-racing/

The writer seems a little too close to some of the figures to provide a balanced account, so some aspects might strike you as problematic.

I started to read it, but something came up before I got too far - I said to myself 'I'll try again later'

However, before I could return, a writer friend of mine called it "misogynistic murder porn" and "It’s a PR piece to help out a buddy of the magazine"

Someone else posted, "usually not one to root against print media but @outsidemagazine deserves every bit of their impending bankruptcy for running this story"

Yet another person said, "It's not easy to turn the story of a woman murdering another woman into a story about a man, but it should have been easy to scrap it before publication."

A bunch of Zero-Star reviews, I'd say; so I'm not sure if I want to give Outside those clicks back

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And yeah, no gun, likely no dead Mo. I think that's a valid conclusion that a lot of 2A supporters are probably pissed about.


With two Mass Shootings in California within 24 hrs I'm guessing the U.S. News Cycle is roiling with the never-ending discussions about this. Meanwhile the literal complete and total rest of the developed world on the planet (4 billion+ people) looks on, scratches the head and goes, "Why"?

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Someone else posted, "usually not one to root against print media but @outsidemagazine deserves every bit of their impending bankruptcy for running this story"

Yet another person said, "It's not easy to turn the story of a woman murdering another woman into a story about a man, but it should have been easy to scrap it before publication."

A bunch of Zero-Star reviews, I'd say; so I'm not sure if I want to give Outside those clicks back

Very accurate reviews - stay away from it.
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Sure he was a friend of Strickland.

I'm not outraged, but the author is eye-rollingly biased towards Strickland.
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I mean it's worth reading in that it has more details on the whole thing that haven't been previously released. Like, after you allegedly murder someone, some alleged murderers go home, put the gun away, and have rough sex with their partner.
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and have rough sex with their partner.

Which reportedly traumatized poor Strickland, the victim in that encounter.
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trail wrote:
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Sure he was a friend of Strickland.


I'm not outraged, but the author is eye-rollingly biased towards Strickland.

You forgot to quote the next sentence: "Strickland still comes off as an emotionally stunted douchebag who treated Armstrong terribly."

Strickland sucks, but he didn't pull the trigger.
Although, I wonder if he could sued for purchasing the gun and creating the circumstances for her death.
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I find it very interesting that no ads were placed in that article.
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You forgot to quote the next sentence: "Strickland still comes off as an emotionally stunted douchebag who treated Armstrong terribly."

No, I got that. Even with that, the article is biased towards Strickland. Like it seems to grant as fact that Strickland was "just friends" with Wilson around the time of the murder, "He knew that he and Wilson were just friends at that point..."

But if you read the text messages in the affidavit that sure didn't seem to be a fact in either Wilson's or Armstrong's minds.
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RandMart wrote:
Irezumi wrote:
Outside has a long piece on this tragic case here:
https://www.outsideonline.com/...urder-gravel-racing/

The writer seems a little too close to some of the figures to provide a balanced account, so some aspects might strike you as problematic.

I started to read it, but something came up before I got too far - I said to myself 'I'll try again later'

However, before I could return, a writer friend of mine called it "misogynistic murder porn" and "It’s a PR piece to help out a buddy of the magazine"

Someone else posted, "usually not one to root against print media but @outsidemagazine deserves every bit of their impending bankruptcy for running this story"

Yet another person said, "It's not easy to turn the story of a woman murdering another woman into a story about a man, but it should have been easy to scrap it before publication."

A bunch of Zero-Star reviews, I'd say; so I'm not sure if I want to give Outside those clicks back

I agree with all of these impressions. I'm surprised anyone at Outside reviewed the piece and thought to themselves This Looks Great, Let's Publish It.
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NordicSkier wrote:
trail wrote:
NordicSkier wrote:


Sure he was a friend of Strickland.


I'm not outraged, but the author is eye-rollingly biased towards Strickland.


You forgot to quote the next sentence: "Strickland still comes off as an emotionally stunted douchebag who treated Armstrong terribly."

Strickland sucks, but he didn't pull the trigger.
Although, I wonder if he could sued for purchasing the gun and creating the circumstances for her death.

Didn't he? It almost seems like Armstrong's lawyers might be leaning towards saying he did. Did anyone see who was driving his motorcycle or her car around the times of the murder? I am just imagining what they may say..
BTW, who the f doesn't ditch a gun that was just used in a murder?!!!! Good grief!
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Didn't he? It almost seems like Armstrong's lawyers might be leaning towards saying he did. Did anyone see who was driving his motorcycle or her car around the times of the murder? I am just imagining what they may say..
BTW, who the f doesn't ditch a gun that was just used in a murder?!!!! Good grief!

They know fairly precisely the time of the murder and there is time stamped video evidence of him riding his motorbike 8 miles away.
He didn't pull the trigger.
By all accounts he wanted to have sex with Mo, not kill her.
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I think i have watched too many detective series on Youtube. They have evidence his motorcycle was somewhere else. Do they know for certain it is him riding it?
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I'm surprised anyone at Outside reviewed the piece and thought to themselves This Looks Great, Let's Publish It.

It's clear that they're in "Nothing left to lose" mode

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It almost seems like Armstrong's lawyers might be leaning towards saying he did.


As usual Armstrong's Defense lawyers are keeping their cards close to the chest. But I did see it written somewhere they have said, "wait until the trial" - hinting that, apparently we, the police etc . . have this all wrong! Or is this just the usual criminal political posturing and flexing?


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It almost seems like Armstrong's lawyers might be leaning towards saying he did.


As usual Armstrong's Defense lawyers are keeping their cards close to the chest. But I did see it written somewhere they have said, "wait until the trial" - hinting that, apparently we, the police etc . . have this all wrong! Or is this just the usual criminal political posturing and flexing?

Pretty common for the defense in a high profile case to be bluster and bombast until they get sworn in and have to tell the truth under penalty of perjury.
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mathematics wrote:
Fleck wrote:
It almost seems like Armstrong's lawyers might be leaning towards saying he did.


As usual Armstrong's Defense lawyers are keeping their cards close to the chest. But I did see it written somewhere they have said, "wait until the trial" - hinting that, apparently we, the police etc . . have this all wrong! Or is this just the usual criminal political posturing and flexing?


Pretty common for the defense in a high profile case to be bluster and bombast until they get sworn in and have to tell the truth under penalty of perjury.

Though "keeping cards close to chest" is something close to the opposite of bluster and bombast.
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Very true. It's ironic because it all needs to be shared in discovery anyway.
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M~ wrote:
I think i have watched too many detective series on Youtube. They have evidence his motorcycle was somewhere else. Do they know for certain it is him riding it?

Yes
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They mention it in the Dateline episode, IIRC they have video of him on the bike in another location.
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Re: Mo Wilson Killed in Austin [RandMart] [ In reply to ]
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From Wade Wallace's Twitter-

https://twitter.com/.../1618057346412072966

"I'd like to reiterate that I'm no longer part of CT and this deplorable piece would not have been published under my watch. I'm so sorry that Mo Wilson's family & friends have to endure this unacceptable piece. I'm ashamed my past is connected with this publication."

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Irezumi wrote:
Outside has a long piece on this tragic case here:
https://www.outsideonline.com/...urder-gravel-racing/

The writer seems a little too close to some of the figures to provide a balanced account, so some aspects might strike you as problematic.

I had to see how bad it was. I was not disappointed... a fluffy propaganda piece.

It makes a good case for having much higher bars for handgun ownership. The "logic" that people use is truly idiotic.
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It looks like Armstrong's trial is set to begin Oct 30, despite her recent attempt to escape custody.

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It looks like Armstrong's trial is set to begin Oct 30, despite her
recent attempt to escape custody.



She again tried to go fugitive?


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after about 10 minutes, officers caught up to her and restrained her

That's a solid run, though. Got past the initial sprint phase into full VO2 max interval effort. It sounds like it might have been well over a mile?

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trail wrote:
refthimos wrote:
It looks like Armstrong's trial is set to begin Oct 30, despite her
recent attempt to escape custody.



She again tried to go fugitive?


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That's a solid run, though. Got past the initial sprint phase into full VO2 max interval effort. It sounds like it might have been well over a mile?

She was just trying to escape so she could find the real killer!

Let food be thy medicine...
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refthimos wrote:
It looks like Armstrong's trial is set to begin Oct 30, despite her
recent attempt to escape custody.



She again tried to go fugitive?


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after about 10 minutes, officers caught up to her and restrained her


That's a solid run, though. Got past the initial sprint phase into full VO2 max interval effort. It sounds like it might have been well over a mile?

Really surprised she didn't lose the correction officers if it went on for that long.
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Did they stop her Garmin when they cuffed her?

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Did they stop her Garmin when they cuffed her?

Strava or it didn't happen
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Re: Mo Wilson Killed in Austin [mdana87] [ In reply to ]
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No Strava but there is video. She has better form than her chaser...

Edited to fix link.
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No Strava but there is video. She has better form than her chaser...


Your link is broken.

This is the correct link.
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Trirunner wrote:
No Strava but there is video. She has better form than her chaser...


Your link is broken.

This is the correct link.

She thought she had a better chance running off-road.
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I'm a mechanical engineer. In instances like this, and other times trying to understand unhinged humans like this woman, I kinda wish I would've put more effort towards psych classes or even a psych major. I just can't put any of the puzzles pieces together to even try to understand the thought process. It's just scary there are people like this roaming around out there.
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I'm a mechanical engineer. In instances like this, and other times trying to understand unhinged humans like this woman, I kinda wish I would've put more effort towards psych classes or even a psych major. I just can't put any of the puzzles pieces together to even try to understand the thought process. It's just scary there are people like this roaming around out there.

Looking at her actions after she murdered Mo it's basically self preservation. She knew she was going to jail for 20 to life, fleeing the country and getting plastic surgery isn't the worst idea. It's wrong, morally reprehensible, and illegal, but from a self preservation instinct it makes sense. Likewise, she's now looking at guaranteed life in jail after fleeing and had a low security opportunity to escape. The chances of getting away are 1 in 1,000,000 but thats better than the chances of not trying, which i life in prison either way.

I'm not saying anything she did was right or good or anything like that, just that it's not inexplicable.
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mathematics wrote:
Looking at her actions after she murdered Mo it's basically self preservation. She knew she was going to jail for 20 to life, fleeing the country and getting plastic surgery isn't the worst idea. It's wrong, morally reprehensible, and illegal, but from a self preservation instinct it makes sense. Likewise, she's now looking at guaranteed life in jail after fleeing and had a low security opportunity to escape. The chances of getting away are 1 in 1,000,000 but thats better than the chances of not trying, which i life in prison either way.

I'm not saying anything she did was right or good or anything like that, just that it's not inexplicable.

Agreed. And to me the fleeing, both before getting caught & most recently, are the most understandable thought processes. To your point: they're self-preservation or very close to basic human instinct - survival. Being a little more clear in my comment, I'm curious about the life experiences that got her (or those like her) to the point of legitimizing (in her head) murder.
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Ah yeah, I probably shouldn't even speculate, but it seems like it was a 'hot-blood' murder. She loved this guy, got jealous, and since they're in Texas there's guns everywhere. A world different from sitting in her house coldly planning out how to do it. It's still bad, but if I were her lawyer this would be my argument.
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I'm a mechanical engineer. In instances like this, and other times trying to understand unhinged humans like this woman, I kinda wish I would've put more effort towards psych classes or even a psych major. I just can't put any of the puzzles pieces together to even try to understand the thought process. It's just scary there are people like this roaming around out there.


This!

Clearly she's a bit to a lot unhinged. There were tell-tale signs from everything I have read about her. But because so much of what else she did was "normal" - people would just gloss over it all and forget about it.

It seems from what we have heard and seen, it's somewhat of an open and closed case - but I read somewhere the Defense has information that no one has heard about apparently that will change EVERYTHING about the way it's all been explained so far. I guess we will find out soon enough!


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I'm a mechanical engineer. In instances like this, and other times trying to understand unhinged humans like this woman, I kinda wish I would've put more effort towards psych classes or even a psych major. I just can't put any of the puzzles pieces together to even try to understand the thought process. It's just scary there are people like this roaming around out there.

There was an episode of Without a Trace where a prisoner who was just a few weeks short of being released went missing. The FBI guys thought something had happened to him, the warden thought he'd escaped. When the FBI guys asked, "why would he escape when he's so class to his release date?" the warden replied (paraphrasing here), "these men have bad judgement. That's why they're here."

So, yeah. I go back to that thought a lot - including earlier in this thread, when people were asking why she'd go to all the trouble of fleeing the country, when the destination she chose has an extradition treaty with the US while a neighboring country does not. A lot of people making very bad decisions. And, of course, too many people in the US making those decisions with guns in their hands.
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, when the destination she chose has an extradition treaty with the US while a neighboring country does not.


There is probably no place in Central or South America that isn't happy to return a U.S. citizen under indictment for "simple murder" in the U.S. And I think they all have actual extradition treaties. Where roadblocks might come is extraditing a citizen of the foreign country to the U.S. for a crime committed in the U.S. Countries tend to hesitate to extradite their own citizens. But no one's going to have an incentive to protect Armstrong.

Also Costa Rica resorts seem like a decent place in blend in. I'm not supporting her overall decision making, just PSA that if you're running from the law, you're not "home free" anywhere in South or Central America. Even Venezuela will extradite, and it's maybe the least U.S.-friendly country in the area.
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There is probably no place in Central or South America that isn't happy to return a U.S. citizen under indictment for "simple murder" in the U.S. And I think they all have actual extradition treaties. Where roadblocks might come is extraditing a citizen of the foreign country to the U.S. for a crime committed in the U.S. Countries tend to hesitate to extradite their own citizens. But no one's going to have an incentive to protect Armstrong.

Also Costa Rica resorts seem like a decent place in blend in. I'm not supporting her overall decision making, just PSA that if you're running from the law, you're not "home free" anywhere in South or Central America. Even Venezuela will extradite, and it's maybe the least U.S.-friendly country in the area.

I'm no extradition expert. There was some Monday Morning Quarterbacking earlier in this thread (their term, not mine) that she would have been better off going to Nicaragua, that's all I was going with.
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Closing arguments just wrapped up on the Kaitlin Armstrong trial that started on 11/1 - consensus is that it doesn't seem like it will take the jury too long to make a (guilty) decision.

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Closing arguments just wrapped up on the Kaitlin Armstrong trial that started on 11/1 - consensus is that it doesn't seem like it will take the jury too long to make a (guilty) decision.

So what was the profound evidence that the defense was just waiting to reveal to the world?

Pink? Maybe. Maybe not. You decide.
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I'm a mechanical engineer. In instances like this, and other times trying to understand unhinged humans like this woman, I kinda wish I would've put more effort towards psych classes or even a psych major. I just can't put any of the puzzles pieces together to even try to understand the thought process. It's just scary there are people like this roaming around out there.

As a student mechanical engineer I wish I'd spend more time trying to understand Laplace transforms and partial differentiation better, and maybe less time in the pub trying to get the opportunity to get to understand female humans.
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Sentenced to 90 years.
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Sentenced to 90 years.

Eligible for parole when she's 80.
Life expectancy of inmates is shorter than the general population so she's likely to die in prison.
Oh well.
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"She's such a special person," Christine Armstrong said before looking at Kaitlin Armstrong. "I've always looked up to you. ... She's always cared for other people."

per her sister.. really, you're going to say that at a murder trial?

people have such a sense of weird loyalty when it comes to family. if my sister murdered someone, i wouldn't be saying shit like, you always cared for other people, lol.
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"She's such a special person," Christine Armstrong said before looking at Kaitlin Armstrong. "I've always looked up to you. ... She's always cared for other people."

per her sister.. really, you're going to say that at a murder trial?

people have such a sense of weird loyalty when it comes to family. if my sister murdered someone, i wouldn't be saying shit like, you always cared for other people, lol.

Yeah, but same sister that also gave Armstrong her passport so she could flee the country, so morality and empathy has clearly long departed that family.

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ahhchon wrote:
"She's such a special person," Christine Armstrong said before looking at Kaitlin Armstrong. "I've always looked up to you. ... She's always cared for other people."

per her sister.. really, you're going to say that at a murder trial?

people have such a sense of weird loyalty when it comes to family. if my sister murdered someone, i wouldn't be saying shit like, you always cared for other people, lol.


Yeah, but same sister that also gave Armstrong her passport so she could flee the country, so morality and empathy has clearly long departed that family.

She testified that she didn't give it to her.....

Pink? Maybe. Maybe not. You decide.
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TSTriATX wrote:
Closing arguments just wrapped up on the Kaitlin Armstrong trial that started on 11/1 - consensus is that it doesn't seem like it will take the jury too long to make a (guilty) decision.


So what was the profound evidence that the defense was just waiting to reveal to the world?

That Armstrong's DNA was on the saddle and handlebars of Wilson's bike, and not on the frame "where any normal person would pick up the bike".
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IKnowEverything wrote:
ahhchon wrote:
"She's such a special person," Christine Armstrong said before looking at Kaitlin Armstrong. "I've always looked up to you. ... She's always cared for other people."

per her sister.. really, you're going to say that at a murder trial?

people have such a sense of weird loyalty when it comes to family. if my sister murdered someone, i wouldn't be saying shit like, you always cared for other people, lol.


Yeah, but same sister that also gave Armstrong her passport so she could flee the country, so morality and empathy has clearly long departed that family.

She testified that she didn't give it to her.....

I have a bridge to sell anyone that believes her!

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japarker24 wrote:
IKnowEverything wrote:
ahhchon wrote:
"She's such a special person," Christine Armstrong said before looking at Kaitlin Armstrong. "I've always looked up to you. ... She's always cared for other people."

per her sister.. really, you're going to say that at a murder trial?

people have such a sense of weird loyalty when it comes to family. if my sister murdered someone, i wouldn't be saying shit like, you always cared for other people, lol.


Yeah, but same sister that also gave Armstrong her passport so she could flee the country, so morality and empathy has clearly long departed that family.


She testified that she didn't give it to her.....


I have a bridge to sell anyone that believes her!

Yeah my passport and extra cash are locked in my safe. If my brother were on the run I would take them out of the safe, place them in a drawer right in front of him and then walk away. Wink...Wink....
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I hope your brother is a good person so this never comes to fruition.
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japarker24 wrote:
IKnowEverything wrote:
ahhchon wrote:
"She's such a special person," Christine Armstrong said before looking at Kaitlin Armstrong. "I've always looked up to you. ... She's always cared for other people."

per her sister.. really, you're going to say that at a murder trial?

people have such a sense of weird loyalty when it comes to family. if my sister murdered someone, i wouldn't be saying shit like, you always cared for other people, lol.


Yeah, but same sister that also gave Armstrong her passport so she could flee the country, so morality and empathy has clearly long departed that family.


She testified that she didn't give it to her.....


I have a bridge to sell anyone that believes her!

It seems rather obvious that in reality the sister did actually give it to her, but spoken or unspoken they agreed that if caught Kaitlin would say she stole it. Adding theft of a passport/identity theft to murder charges is a drop in the bucket. Her sister getting a felony conviction and potential jail time for aiding a fugitive is a very big deal.
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Actually he is an A-Hole. Wouldn't even let him in my house. I doubt her sister catches any charges for this.
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Kaitlin Armstrong's lawyer requests new trial after murder conviction

https://www.kvue.com/...cb-96b6-34554db1d985
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Kaitlin Armstrong's lawyer requests new trial after murder conviction

https://www.kvue.com/...cb-96b6-34554db1d985

What does her possibly being pregnant have anything to do with the murder? Are they going to argue it was a hormonal response and not premeditated?
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That’s pretty much par for the course with murder convictions to appeal with *some* reason. This is just lawyer bullshit remember prior to the trial the defense had some “bombshell†info to keep her out of conviction.

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tigermilk wrote:
Kaitlin Armstrong's lawyer requests new trial after murder conviction

https://www.kvue.com/...cb-96b6-34554db1d985

What does her possibly being pregnant have anything to do with the murder? Are they going to argue it was a hormonal response and not premeditated?

My thoughts as well.
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tigermilk wrote:
Kaitlin Armstrong's lawyer requests new trial after murder conviction

https://www.kvue.com/...cb-96b6-34554db1d985


What does her possibly being pregnant have anything to do with the murder? Are they going to argue it was a hormonal response and not premeditated?

the article states she was pregnant at the time of her arrest which doesn't necessarily mean she was pregnant at the time of the murder. I would guess she became pregnant after the murder.

It still begs the question, why is it relevant?

Pink? Maybe. Maybe not. You decide.
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IKnowEverything wrote:
ahhchon wrote:
"She's such a special person," Christine Armstrong said before looking at Kaitlin Armstrong. "I've always looked up to you. ... She's always cared for other people."

per her sister.. really, you're going to say that at a murder trial?

people have such a sense of weird loyalty when it comes to family. if my sister murdered someone, i wouldn't be saying shit like, you always cared for other people, lol.


Yeah, but same sister that also gave Armstrong her passport so she could flee the country, so morality and empathy has clearly long departed that family.


She testified that she didn't give it to her.....

Possible Testilied
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EyeRunMD wrote:
tigermilk wrote:
Kaitlin Armstrong's lawyer requests new trial after murder conviction

https://www.kvue.com/...cb-96b6-34554db1d985


What does her possibly being pregnant have anything to do with the murder? Are they going to argue it was a hormonal response and not premeditated?


the article states she was pregnant at the time of her arrest which doesn't necessarily mean she was pregnant at the time of the murder. I would guess she became pregnant after the murder.

It still begs the question, why is it relevant?

The best logic I can come up with:

First trial was guilty and many years in prison. Defense lawyers need to retry the case, both to get paid and since no outcome (for their defendant) can be as bad as the first case. Throw stuff at the wall trying to get the case opened up again (she was pregnant, prosecution withheld something, some sort of technical process error, maybe Form 1201-A was filled out using the paralegal's married name although it was never legally changed). Worst case scenario the case doesn't get reheard, or it does with the same outcome. Best case you get a retrial and something weird happens where the jury calls it manslaughter, or better yet the prosecution messes up and she's found not guilty. It's a >1% chance but still a chance.

(not defending her, just gaming out a legal defense strategy)
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understood, defense has to work it if asked. unlikely any outcome. bleeding family dry for defense based on nonsense, seems consistent for this nut job.
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I would say appeals are way more common regardless of the validity from the defense. It’s more standard operating procedure that tons of convicted people take advantage of regardless of how valid the appeal is.

Not relevant in this case but death sentence convictions in most states come with automatic appeal.

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Ah yeah, I probably shouldn't even speculate, but it seems like it was a 'hot-blood' murder. She loved this guy, got jealous, and since they're in Texas there's guns everywhere. A world different from sitting in her house coldly planning out how to do it. It's still bad, but if I were her lawyer this would be my argument.

For you to be such a logical thinker that's quite a non logical statement to make (as of course guns are everywhere not just Texas.
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mathematics wrote:
Ah yeah, I probably shouldn't even speculate, but it seems like it was a 'hot-blood' murder. She loved this guy, got jealous, and since they're in Texas there's guns everywhere. A world different from sitting in her house coldly planning out how to do it. It's still bad, but if I were her lawyer this would be my argument.


For you to be such a logical thinker that's quite a non logical statement to make (as of course guns are everywhere not just Texas.

Texas is within a group of states where there is no waiting period to purchase a gun, walk into a store with ID and a credit card, walk out with a gun in minutes. No registration, no waiting period. If this is taking place in a state with low gun ownership and a waiting period there's a chance cooler heads prevail.

There is also nearly 50% gun ownership in Texas, as opposed to ~15% in the northeast and 30% nationwide. We can have a rational conversation about self defense, personal firearms, and the implications of such a system, but the long and short is that increased gun ownership increases the chances of and probability of gun violence.
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mathematics wrote:
Runguy wrote:
mathematics wrote:
Ah yeah, I probably shouldn't even speculate, but it seems like it was a 'hot-blood' murder. She loved this guy, got jealous, and since they're in Texas there's guns everywhere. A world different from sitting in her house coldly planning out how to do it. It's still bad, but if I were her lawyer this would be my argument.


For you to be such a logical thinker that's quite a non logical statement to make (as of course guns are everywhere not just Texas.


Texas is within a group of states where there is no waiting period to purchase a gun, walk into a store with ID and a credit card, walk out with a gun in minutes. No registration, no waiting period. If this is taking place in a state with low gun ownership and a waiting period there's a chance cooler heads prevail.

There is also nearly 50% gun ownership in Texas, as opposed to ~15% in the northeast and 30% nationwide. We can have a rational conversation about self defense, personal firearms, and the implications of such a system, but the long and short is that increased gun ownership increases the chances of and probability of gun violence.

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Please walk away from your computer, you're illogical views will make us stupider. I'm in California and our strict gun laws have little to no impact to our crime rate- it's still high.
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Please walk away from your computer, you're illogical views will make us stupider. .

Opposing points of view are fine, but emotional, personal attacks are something we try to avoid on this forum. Just a suggestion.
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mathematics wrote:
Runguy wrote:
mathematics wrote:
Ah yeah, I probably shouldn't even speculate, but it seems like it was a 'hot-blood' murder. She loved this guy, got jealous, and since they're in Texas there's guns everywhere. A world different from sitting in her house coldly planning out how to do it. It's still bad, but if I were her lawyer this would be my argument.


For you to be such a logical thinker that's quite a non logical statement to make (as of course guns are everywhere not just Texas.


Texas is within a group of states where there is no waiting period to purchase a gun, walk into a store with ID and a credit card, walk out with a gun in minutes. No registration, no waiting period. If this is taking place in a state with low gun ownership and a waiting period there's a chance cooler heads prevail.

There is also nearly 50% gun ownership in Texas, as opposed to ~15% in the northeast and 30% nationwide. We can have a rational conversation about self defense, personal firearms, and the implications of such a system, but the long and short is that increased gun ownership increases the chances of and probability of gun violence.

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Please walk away from your computer, you're illogical views will make us stupider. I'm in California and our strict gun laws have little to no impact to our crime rate- it's still high.


Thanks for the well thought out response to the post "We can have a rational conversation about self defense, personal firearms, and the implications of such a system,"

Here's the gun crime rates per 100,000 residents broken down state by state. I'll save you the 5 seconds and Google it for you.

https://www.statista.com/...lence-rate-by-state/

Notice anything? Not only does Texas lead California (15 to 9) but the highest gun crime states overwhelmingly have loose gun laws.

Sorry about making you stupider.
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Runguy wrote:
mathematics wrote:
Ah yeah, I probably shouldn't even speculate, but it seems like it was a 'hot-blood' murder. She loved this guy, got jealous, and since they're in Texas there's guns everywhere. A world different from sitting in her house coldly planning out how to do it. It's still bad, but if I were her lawyer this would be my argument.


For you to be such a logical thinker that's quite a non logical statement to make (as of course guns are everywhere not just Texas.

Texas is within a group of states where there is no waiting period to purchase a gun, walk into a store with ID and a credit card, walk out with a gun in minutes. No registration, no waiting period. If this is taking place in a state with low gun ownership and a waiting period there's a chance cooler heads prevail.

There is also nearly 50% gun ownership in Texas, as opposed to ~15% in the northeast and 30% nationwide. We can have a rational conversation about self defense, personal firearms, and the implications of such a system, but the long and short is that increased gun ownership increases the chances of and probability of gun violence.

In this case, I believe her ex-bf bought her the gun which probably better supports the chrome of passion argument.
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Runguy wrote:
mathematics wrote:
Ah yeah, I probably shouldn't even speculate, but it seems like it was a 'hot-blood' murder. She loved this guy, got jealous, and since they're in Texas there's guns everywhere. A world different from sitting in her house coldly planning out how to do it. It's still bad, but if I were her lawyer this would be my argument.


For you to be such a logical thinker that's quite a non logical statement to make (as of course guns are everywhere not just Texas.


Texas is within a group of states where there is no waiting period to purchase a gun, walk into a store with ID and a credit card, walk out with a gun in minutes. No registration, no waiting period. If this is taking place in a state with low gun ownership and a waiting period there's a chance cooler heads prevail.

There is also nearly 50% gun ownership in Texas, as opposed to ~15% in the northeast and 30% nationwide. We can have a rational conversation about self defense, personal firearms, and the implications of such a system, but the long and short is that increased gun ownership increases the chances of and probability of gun violence.

She had the firearm for some time. She did not purchase it the same day.

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And I thought that was going to fly by unnoticed.
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What I'd like to know is, with so many guns and gun owners, where was the good ole NRA-card-carrying-member guy when he/she was needed to stop the 1st shooter, like we're told is the solution to gun crime ?
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That's only for school shootings

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That's only for school shootings

Or basically most public places. One certainly wouldn't expect a 'good guy with a gun' to have been inside the house when Mo was murdered.
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I'm assuming that you replied to me because I was the last one on the list.

Personally I never bought the idea of more guns make us safer mainly because most of those guns are at home.

The NRA is not fighting for responsible gun ownership, they are fighting for gun manufactures.

When I was in the Marines, I had shot a lot of different weapons, the ones that I could hold in my hands were designed to kill people and that is all. In an urban setting, that is the only reason to have a gun. I suppose that is an argument to be discussed in the Lavender Room.
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I'm assuming that you replied to me because I was the last one on the list.

Personally I never bought the idea of more guns make us safer mainly because most of those guns are at home.

The NRA is not fighting for responsible gun ownership, they are fighting for gun manufactures.

When I was in the Marines, I had shot a lot of different weapons, the ones that I could hold in my hands were designed to kill people and that is all. In an urban setting, that is the only reason to have a gun. I suppose that is an argument to be discussed in the Lavender Room.

More guns make us safer is like trickle down economics. An idea that sounds good until you think about if for 2 seconds, that exclusively benefits a small group of people who pushed the idea as a great message because the truth is too unpalatable.
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jaretj wrote:
I'm assuming that you replied to me because I was the last one on the list.

Personally I never bought the idea of more guns make us safer mainly because most of those guns are at home.

The NRA is not fighting for responsible gun ownership, they are fighting for gun manufactures.

When I was in the Marines, I had shot a lot of different weapons, the ones that I could hold in my hands were designed to kill people and that is all. In an urban setting, that is the only reason to have a gun. I suppose that is an argument to be discussed in the Lavender Room.

Legal and responsible firearms owners don't commit most of the gun crime in this country. Most of the gun crime in this country as everyone knows is committed by gang members. Mass shootings tend to be amplified today, but "mass" is determined at 4 more or more gunshot victims by the FBI so the number is kinda inflated. Yet, we focus on certain events that statistically don't happen that often verses drive by hits that happen every day on the street.

But that's what this was, a "hit". A good guy with a gun that has no idea something is about to go down is not going to be able to stop a "hit".

The reason the Nashville Shooter didn't kill more children is because of a good guy with a gun, whether that good guy has a badge or not doesn't matter.

In Arizona several years ago we had a "good" guy with a gun save a state trooper's life. There are many instances every day where a well trained good guy with a gun ends up being responsible for protecting life and we don't talk about it. Most news is negative, we're not worried about the positive.

Now connecting that to the thread, well, the chica's boyfriend bought her the firearm as a gift to protect herself but then was also hanging out with a girl that he slept around with while they were previously on a break? That's just a bad mix of shit.

Anyway, there are plenty of normal people that carry every day and nothing of any ill occurs. Can look at countries where firearm ownership is severely restricted. Doesn't stop people from getting murdered. Doesn't stop a country from having a high murder rate either. But this is all a LR discussion at this point and not about cycling.

Washed up footy player turned Triathlete.
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Re: Mo Wilson Killed in Austin [TheStroBro] [ In reply to ]
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TheStroBro wrote:
But this is all a LR discussion at this point and not about cycling.


I like how you write a giant manifesto on gun crime, and then call everyone out in the last sentence for using the wrong forum. :)
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Re: Mo Wilson Killed in Austin [trail] [ In reply to ]
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Betsy Welch published her final (?) article about Moriah. https://www.outsideonline.com/...moriah-wilson-trial/
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