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"Modern Triathlon" or "Triathle" is a sub-sport of Modern Pentathlon, an Olympic sport since 1912.

It is being promoted by UIPM, which is the international body behind the sport (just like ITU).

There are actually three sub-sports of Modern Pentathlon--Triathle, Biathle, and Laser-Run. (See my descriptions below for the gist of each one.)

I just got back from the UIPM Triathle / Biathle World Championships, which were held in St. Petersburg, FL, last weekend. I took my three kids there. We competed at the elite level for Team USA and had some incredible results! (See some awesome photos of the event here: https://www.uipmworld.org/photo-gallery.)

As many who know me from this forum know, I am a long-time aquathlete and triathlete, having competed at ITU Aquathlon Worlds in 2017, Ironman Lake Tahoe in 2013 (the first one), many half Ironman races, and all kinds of multi-sport races in between. Well, I have to say, I'm totally hooked on all of these new sub-sports of Modern Pentathlon.

The sub-sports consist of multiple sequences of swimming, running, and laser-pistol shooting. Think Biathlon (the winter Olympic sport that combines cross-country skiing and rifle shooting), except at sprint (or middle) running distances and using a pistol instead of a rifle. Important note here: the pistol is basically a completely safe trigger-activated "class 1" laser (like a laser pointer) with a gun-shaped housing. This is a change that was made to the sport of Modern Pentathlon starting with the 2012 Olympic Games. (See, e.g., https://www.wired.com/...thlon-laser-pistols/.)

Biathle--multiple sequences of running and swimming, with distances varying by division (e.g., the masters 40+ division at the World Championship was a 1200-meter run, a 100-meter swim, and a 1200-meter run).

Triathle--multiple sequences of running, swimming, and laser pistol shooting, with distances of run, swim, and target varying by division (e.g., the masters 40+ division at the World Championships was 4 x 600-meter run, 5 hits at a 10-meter target, and a 100-meter swim).

Laser-Run--multiple sequences of running and laser-pistol shooting, with distances of run and target varying by division (e.g., the "open" division does 4 x 800 meters with 5 hits at a 10-meter target). Laser-Run is a stand-alone event, but it is also the "combined" event that concludes the competition of a Modern Pentathlon. It will likely next be seen and have international exposure at the Tokyo 2020 Olympic Games.

None of these sub-sports has gotten much traction in the U.S., but they seem to be getting more popular in other countries. There were about 600 participants at the World Championships, but very few from the U.S.! At the World Championships, the dominant countries included Great Britain, Egypt, Guatamala, and South Africa. There were 34 countries represented.

Which brings me to one of the reasons I'm making this post. I'm putting together an unusual multi-sport event that will be held at Westmont High School in Campbell, CA, on November 24, 2019 (three weeks from today). It's going to be a combined all-comer track meet and laser-run, sponsored by my running club (Wolfpack Running Club, a non-profit organization). The track events will be sanctioned by USATF and the laser-run events will be sanctioned by USA Pentathlon. (See http://www.dashnzap.com.)

I really want to make this event a success and would greatly appreciate it if you could help me get the word out. Before you know it, Modern Triathlon might just take the place of the ancient triathlon we have been discussing ad naseum on this forum for years . . . ;)

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Re: "Modern Triathlon" -- yes, it's a thing [K_Man] [ In reply to ]
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Seems like they need to change the name to prevent confusion, just like run-bike-run "biathlons" needed to become duathlons. Triathlon is such a new sport that "modern triathlon" makes no sense.

Might head down the peninsula for the event on the 24th. My question is for the uninitiated how do we train the laser tag part?

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Seems like they need to change the name to prevent confusion, just like run-bike-run "biathlons" needed to become duathlons. Triathlon is such a new sport that "modern triathlon" makes no sense.

Might head down the peninsula for the event on the 24th. My question is for the uninitiated how do we train the laser tag part?


The best way to train for the laser pistol shooting is to buy your own gun and target set (~$800). There are a couple of U.S. dealers out there selling UIPM-certified pistols, including pistols from Eco-Aims and Pentashot. However, given that few people own their own pistols, USA Pentathlon has generously agreed to lend me some of theirs for my event. There will be about an hour to try the pistols out on the laser range before the races start. Also, you'll get about 5-10 minutes before your race to warm up on the laser range.

Another important note: You get to go at 50 seconds even if you can't clear the targets. In my first real competition and in many of my first practice competitions, I was not able to get five hits in any of my rounds. As a beginner, you can think of the races as an interval speed-work session with 50 seconds of rest in between intervals. If you happen to clear the targets, that's just bonus time!

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Re: "Modern Triathlon" -- yes, it's a thing [K_Man] [ In reply to ]
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I see the Thai Modern Pentathlon Development Team in our village in Thailand sometimes hanging out with the triathletes so they can learn to swim.The South East Asian Games are on next month in the Philippines and they had their test event recently.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6kUT-VFyb4E
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I see the Thai Modern Pentathlon Development Team in our village in Thailand sometimes hanging out with the triathletes so they can learn to swim.The South East Asian Games are on next month in the Philippines and they had their test event recently.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6kUT-VFyb4E

Awesome!

Yes, there does appear to be a lot of crossover potential between Triathlon and Modern Pentathlon.

The Thai team had some great performers at the World Championships!

Biathle is basically the same thing as a Super Sprint Aquathlon.

And the U.S. Olympic Training Center recruits people based on a combination of their run and swim times.
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If I was still in California, I would be at your event! I have talked with others in my area about the desire to put on a similar type event, except we would use regular firearms. Never thought of the laser side of things. These sound really cool.
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Re: "Modern Triathlon" -- yes, it's a thing [prefersdirt] [ In reply to ]
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A few of my St Pete Mad Dog Triathlete Club mates entered the event at the last minute. They say they had a lot of fun, learned some new skills and walked away with Gold Medals.

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If I was still in California, I would be at your event! I have talked with others in my area about the desire to put on a similar type event, except we would use regular firearms. Never thought of the laser side of things. These sound really cool.

Yeah, it is really cool and I don't understand why it hasn't taken off already! The events at the World Championships were very exciting to watch. The format is spectator friendly--you can stand in one spot and see the whole competition develop.
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Fuller wrote:
A few of my St Pete Mad Dog Triathlete Club mates entered the event at the last minute. They say they had a lot of fun, learned some new skills and walked away with Gold Medals.

Yes, my Triathle 40+ masters heat had one of them!

Team USA hauled in 21 medals at the event (see summary here), but easily could've won a lot more with increased participation across the divisions. The Great Britain team had about 30 kids competing in the younger divisions plus masters across the entire spectrum to 70+. Needless to say, they were on the podium a lot!

The opportunities are enormous in this sport for people of all ages. (The same could be said for USA Aquathlon, which is a sub-sport of Triathlon.)
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Re: "Modern Triathlon" -- yes, it's a thing [K_Man] [ In reply to ]
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Seems like they are taking some big assumptions saying there is actually a swim in all these events. 100 meters, really? Looks like you shoot, run, or whatever, then do a quick cool down and shower. I would suppose the transition is more important from any of the events to the tiny swim than the swim itself..

Now if it were 300 meters, then is might be worth getting wet for...
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Fuller wrote:
A few of my St Pete Mad Dog Triathlete Club mates entered the event at the last minute. They say they had a lot of fun, learned some new skills and walked away with Gold Medals.

I live in Tampa and never even heard of this. There wasn't boo said about it on social media, especially since everyone was at IM Florida this past weekend. It sounds like there might be a 100 athletes in the entire world doing this form of triathlon ... a niche within a niche within a niche.
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K_Man wrote:
prefersdirt wrote:
If I was still in California, I would be at your event! I have talked with others in my area about the desire to put on a similar type event, except we would use regular firearms. Never thought of the laser side of things. These sound really cool.


Yeah, it is really cool and I don't understand why it hasn't taken off already! The events at the World Championships were very exciting to watch. The format is spectator friendly--you can stand in one spot and see the whole competition develop.


Probably because most of us have never heard of it before and I live an hour from St Pete

Agree with above have to change the name

Probably would have been a good idea to post this before the race in FL
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monty wrote:
Seems like they are taking some big assumptions saying there is actually a swim in all these events. 100 meters, really? Looks like you shoot, run, or whatever, then do a quick cool down and shower. I would suppose the transition is more important from any of the events to the tiny swim than the swim itself..

Now if it were 300 meters, then is might be worth getting wet for...

Have to go with Monty on this one

100 meters is too little
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monty wrote:
Seems like they are taking some big assumptions saying there is actually a swim in all these events. 100 meters, really? Looks like you shoot, run, or whatever, then do a quick cool down and shower. I would suppose the transition is more important from any of the events to the tiny swim than the swim itself..

Now if it were 300 meters, then is might be worth getting wet for...

Have to go with Monty on this one

100 meters is too little

Agreed, but remember this is multiple sequences (up to four, depending on division) of sprint/middle-distance racing. Ideally I would like to see 100 meters of swimming for every 400 meters of running. The masters 40+ Triathle event was almost exactly that, except with 600 meters of running per sequence.

Transitions were not much of a differentiating factor. Just slip your shoes off, swim, and slip your shoes back on.
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MrTri123 wrote:
K_Man wrote:
prefersdirt wrote:
If I was still in California, I would be at your event! I have talked with others in my area about the desire to put on a similar type event, except we would use regular firearms. Never thought of the laser side of things. These sound really cool.


Yeah, it is really cool and I don't understand why it hasn't taken off already! The events at the World Championships were very exciting to watch. The format is spectator friendly--you can stand in one spot and see the whole competition develop.


Probably because most of us have never heard of it before and I live an hour from St Pete

Agree with above have to change the name

Probably would have been a good idea to post this before the race in FL

It would seem there is not enough coordination between USA Pentathlon and USA Triathlon. It is unbelievable that not many triathletes in St. Pete knew this event was happening.
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Fuller wrote:
A few of my St Pete Mad Dog Triathlete Club mates entered the event at the last minute. They say they had a lot of fun, learned some new skills and walked away with Gold Medals.

I live in Tampa and never even heard of this. There wasn't boo said about it on social media, especially since everyone was at IM Florida this past weekend. It sounds like there might be a 100 athletes in the entire world doing this form of triathlon ... a niche within a niche within a niche.

Haha. Yes, but that can change. I think it should.
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This actually sounds pretty cool.

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I finally had a chance to upload a video from the start of the Triathle Men Masters 40+/50+ finals from last weekend's 2019 UIPM Biathle / Triathle World Championships:



The video shows the first of four run-shoot-run-swim-run sequences comprising the event.

The swim is more impactful that you might expect, given its short distance relative to typical triathlon distances.

The format of the race is pretty exciting. What do you think?

FYI, that's Dan Browne of Team USA doing the announcing for the race.
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I'm so sorry to bump my own post once again, but I wanted to bring some last-minute attention to my laser-run event that is coming up on Sunday, 11/24, in Campbell, CA.

In addition to being a sanctioned USATF event, it's also an official USA-Pentathlon-sanctioned event that is listed on the Team USA calendar.

This will be the first time a laser run event has ever been held in the San Francisco Bay Area. And hopefully not the last time!

For more information, see the Team USA calendar entry:

https://www.teamusa.org/...thlon-Club-Laser-Run

I hope to see some of you there!

K_Man
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Re: "Modern Triathlon" -- yes, it's a thing [K_Man] [ In reply to ]
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At least you got a few more replies than I....

https://forum.slowtwitch.com/...ng=triathle#p7069801
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Re: "Modern Triathlon" -- yes, it's a thing [Steve-oH!] [ In reply to ]
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At least you got a few more replies than I....

https://forum.slowtwitch.com/...ng=triathle#p7069801


Haha! Well, I missed your post or I would've commented!

Yes, there is huge potential for crossover between triathlon and the three major sub-sports of Modern Pentathlon.
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My 10 year old daughter currently fences, is on swim team, does cross country and trail running and she just started taking riding lessons.......hmmmmmmmm.........all she has to do is learn how to shoot a lazer gun........
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As someone who actually follows Modern Pentathlon (yes, I actually do....) I have to agree with Monty. It bizarre to me that the swim distances in Biathle and Triathle are so short....talk about the swim not getting its fair share in Triathlon, its worse in these sports.....

Here are some random notes and observations about the ever involving Modern Pentathlon format (not sure anyone will really care but here goes....)

-A few years back they deemphazised the swim in MP by giving less points for the swim time differential between competitors....formerly, if you beat your competitor in the swim by a second in the 200 meter swim that woulld translate to a 3 second "head start" in the handicapped pusuit start in the Laser run (run/shoot) final event. Now you only get roughly 2 seconds "head start". The stated reason for this change, as best I could glean from the press releases from the governing body was that many developing countries did not have access to pools like more developed contries.

-In the current format in MP the Fencing has the largest impact on total point score and final results. Its much better to have a good Fence segment and mediocre swim than it is to have a mediocre Fencing segment and a good swim.

-The Triathle and Biathle formats deemphasize the swim even more (as Monty rightly pointed out)....the events are run centric to the extreme. I am assuming the govening body set these un balanced distances because any one can run where you are at but you may not have pool access.

-The Governing body (UIPM) just approved a new format for a youth/junior event that they are likely testing for possibility of introducing into MP. The Youth events (under junior level) for Modern Pentathlon do not include the riding segment (show jumping on a horse) due to safety reasons and the difficulty of training on a horse for sub junior youth. In recent years that means that MP athletes under the Junior level compete in Tetrathlon (Fence, Swim, Lazer Run). The new format will see the competitors Fencing...and then doing a Triathle (a continous shoot, swim run) I assume they would have a pursuit start based on their Fencing results and the first across the line would be the over all winner. I would hope that in this format they would lengthen the swim to make it more than a bath inbetween runs, otherwise its sems a bit foolish to deemphasise the swim even more.

I would look for a possibility that in the future the Modern Pentathlon would be formatted as such: Fencing round robin, show jumping on horse, and then a continuous shoot/swim/run in pursuit style based on the results of the fence and ride segments.

This is being done primarily to increase the sports TV/spectator appeal.....one of the major reasons why the seperate shoot and run was combined back in the 2000's.

Like all significant changes in sports to a more TV friendly format I suspect it will be met with some resistance and I am not sure where this will all end up.
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As someone who actually follows Modern Pentathlon (yes, I actually do....) I have to agree with Monty. It bizarre to me that the swim distances in Biathle and Triathle are so short....talk about the swim not getting its fair share in Triathlon, its worse in these sports.....

Here are some random notes and observations about the ever involving Modern Pentathlon format (not sure anyone will really care but here goes....)

-A few years back they deemphazised the swim in MP by giving less points for the swim time differential between competitors....formerly, if you beat your competitor in the swim by a second in the 200 meter swim that woulld translate to a 3 second "head start" in the handicapped pusuit start in the Laser run (run/shoot) final event. Now you only get roughly 2 seconds "head start". The stated reason for this change, as best I could glean from the press releases from the governing body was that many developing countries did not have access to pools like more developed contries.

-In the current format in MP the Fencing has the largest impact on total point score and final results. Its much better to have a good Fence segment and mediocre swim than it is to have a mediocre Fencing segment and a good swim.

-The Triathle and Biathle formats deemphasize the swim even more (as Monty rightly pointed out)....the events are run centric to the extreme. I am assuming the govening body set these un balanced distances because any one can run where you are at but you may not have pool access.

-The Governing body (UIPM) just approved a new format for a youth/junior event that they are likely testing for possibility of introducing into MP. The Youth events (under junior level) for Modern Pentathlon do not include the riding segment (show jumping on a horse) due to safety reasons and the difficulty of training on a horse for sub junior youth. In recent years that means that MP athletes under the Junior level compete in Tetrathlon (Fence, Swim, Lazer Run). The new format will see the competitors Fencing...and then doing a Triathle (a continous shoot, swim run) I assume they would have a pursuit start based on their Fencing results and the first across the line would be the over all winner. I would hope that in this format they would lengthen the swim to make it more than a bath inbetween runs, otherwise its sems a bit foolish to deemphasise the swim even more.

I would look for a possibility that in the future the Modern Pentathlon would be formatted as such: Fencing round robin, show jumping on horse, and then a continuous shoot/swim/run in pursuit style based on the results of the fence and ride segments.

This is being done primarily to increase the sports TV/spectator appeal.....one of the major reasons why the seperate shoot and run was combined back in the 2000's.

Like all significant changes in sports to a more TV friendly format I suspect it will be met with some resistance and I am not sure where this will all end up.


Yes, I think you are correct in your assessment of where the sport is headed. I do hope the swim gets a little bit more emphasis. However, I believe triathlon is also unbalanced. As some have said, it's a bike race with a swim warmup and a run cooldown. The even ratio would be 1:4 in swimming to running. I did not know about the adjusting of the scoring that resulted in the swim having less emphasis than before. That's interesting.

I do like that the sport focuses on middle distances (i.e., 4 x 800 run and 200-meter swim) instead of the long distances of triathlon. I also think the Triathle format is more exciting than triathlon for both participants and spectators.
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My 10 year old daughter currently fences, is on swim team, does cross country and trail running and she just started taking riding lessons.......hmmmmmmmm.........all she has to do is learn how to shoot a lazer gun........

That's the easiest part in my opinion!
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My event turned out to be a marginal success. It was not a profitable venture this time around, but I think I can change that next year. Rumor has it Iā€™ll be able to get my event listed on UIPMā€™s Global Laser-Run City Tour in 2020, which should help with the marketing.

I had about 45 registered participants who competed in a wide range of USATF- and USA-Pentathlon-sanctioned sprint and distance races. The first Laser-Run event was a 2 x 400 relay. There were 12 teams (24 people), which was a full capacity heat. Here is a link to some videos from the race:

https://www.youtube.com/...U9df0jXNdJJ71-Zv5bRH

I remain convinced that Laser-Run is a compelling sport that appeals to athletes of all ages. The fact that it will be featured at the end of the Modern Pentathlon event at the Tokyo 2020 Olympic Games is something to look forward to!
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Hi all,

It's been a year and a half since I made this post about the sub-sports of Modern Pentathlon and the 2019 UIPM Biathle / Triathle World Championships. A lot has happened since then. I feel compelled to post this update!

As I mentioned previously in this thread, I directed my first Modern-Pentathlon-related event in November 2019 -- a combination of a USATF-sanctioned track meet and a USA-Modern-Pentathlon-sanctioned laser-run. It was a marginal success, drawing 45 participants.

Then the pandemic happened, which made it impossible to put on any additional live events. I did manage to put together a virtual laser-run event in 2020, which drew 35 participants, including some U.S. Modern Pentathletes who competed in the U.S. Olympic qualifiers. You can see the results, photos, and videos from my laser-run on my dedicated event web site: https://dashnzap.com/.

As the pandemic restrictions started to lift in California, I was finally able put together my first full Modern Pentathlon event last Sunday in Palo Alto, CA. We had 35 participants, all of whom automatically qualified for the U.S. Modern Pentathlon National Championships, which will be held on May 21-23 in Roswell, NM.

See the results here:

https://wolfpackpentathlon.com/regional/

Kira Bardin, who won the Juniors, U19, U17, and U15 divisions of this regional event posted this video of what the competition was like for her:



Six of my club members will be competing at the National Championships, including me. We will cover the spectrum of age groups from U11, U15, Seniors (21+), Masters 50+, and Masters 60+. You are never too old or too young for this sport!

It has been really fun getting involved in this sport and helping to make it grow.

As a (former?) triathlete myself, I believe many triathletes could easily and naturally transition into this sport!

K_Man
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This sounds way more fun than triathlon. However, if we can swim, bike, shoot, would be even better (for me, I hate running). Basically biathlon but summer-style. Hope to try it out one day!

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Maybe something like this? I think combo events would be great.







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Iā€™m not sure about anyone else, but the sport of ā€œLaser Runā€ sounds to me like it came from the set of ā€œMost Extreme Elimination Challengeā€
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K_Man wrote:
Hi all,

It's been a year and a half since I made this post about the sub-sports of Modern Pentathlon and the 2019 UIPM Biathle / Triathle World Championships. A lot has happened since then. I feel compelled to post this update!

As I mentioned previously in this thread, I directed my first Modern-Pentathlon-related event in November 2019 -- a combination of a USATF-sanctioned track meet and a USA-Modern-Pentathlon-sanctioned laser-run. It was a marginal success, drawing 45 participants.

Then the pandemic happened, which made it impossible to put on any additional live events. I did manage to put together a virtual laser-run event in 2020, which drew 35 participants, including some U.S. Modern Pentathletes who competed in the U.S. Olympic qualifiers. You can see the results, photos, and videos from my laser-run on my dedicated event web site: https://dashnzap.com/.

As the pandemic restrictions started to lift in California, I was finally able put together my first full Modern Pentathlon event last Sunday in Palo Alto, CA. We had 35 participants, all of whom automatically qualified for the U.S. Modern Pentathlon National Championships, which will be held on May 21-23 in Roswell, NM.

See the results here:

https://wolfpackpentathlon.com/regional/

Kira Bardin, who won the Juniors, U19, U17, and U15 divisions of this regional event posted this video of what the competition was like for her:



Six of my club members will be competing at the National Championships, including me. We will cover the spectrum of age groups from U11, U15, Seniors (21+), Masters 50+, and Masters 60+. You are never too old or too young for this sport!

It has been really fun getting involved in this sport and helping to make it grow.

As a (former?) triathlete myself, I believe many triathletes could easily and naturally transition into this sport!

K_Man

Very natural, as Triathlon has become so elitist and expensive that instead of a super bike and race entries, one might as well just own a horse or two.
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Back in the good old Vietnam draft days my lottery number was old #5. I joined ROTC so I could stay in college. I qualified for Army Triathlon school but ended up flunking my Army physical because of childhood asthma. I submitted my 500 and 1,000, and 1,650 swim times from the past season and had to run a 2 mile time trial on the track. I was under 10 min by a tad or so I think.
With those two base sports they gave you one year to get your shooting up to speed, then they would develop your horse and fencing skills over your career. It seems with shooting you can either be world class in a fairly short period or you just don't have it. It takes years to develop college speed in the pool , equestrian and fencing. Another road un followed.
Anyway my idea back in the early 80s was to have the Worlds Fastest Triathlon. 50 meters in the pool. Go to the track venue 100meters out of blocks. Then a flying 200m on the velodrome. Interesting how a second or a few 10ths makes a big difference.
Or the "long form" triathlon. 100m in the pool, 400m on the track and a timed kilo straight out on a road. The best part of this format is that you could have the local swim team, runners club and bike club do all the venue and timing and you could hold the race on Friday of a Sunday Triathlon weekend. That way you would already have all the competitors you could handle and it would give the triathletes another event on a long travel weekend.
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Re: "Modern Triathlon" -- yes, it's a thing [windschatten] [ In reply to ]
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windschatten wrote:

Very natural, as Triathlon has become so elitist and expensive that instead of a super bike and race entries, one might as well just own a horse or two.
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Haha. Well, you don't have to own a horse to compete in Modern Pentathlon. In fact, one of the most interesting aspects of the sport is you compete on an unfamiliar horse. You get 20 minutes to mount, warmup, and do up to five practice jumps. Then you have about 60 seconds to complete a course. At the international level, the course is usually 12 obstacles with bars set at one meter in height. This creates a lot of drama, especially at international events, such as the World Championships, World Cup events, and the Olympics.

However, your point is taken in that the cost of taking horse jumping lessons is quite expensive. I'm currently spending $600+ per month for coached lessons 2-3 times per week. I cancelled my gym membership to make up for some of it.
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Back in the good old Vietnam draft days my lottery number was old #5. I joined ROTC so I could stay in college. I qualified for Army Triathlon school but ended up flunking my Army physical because of childhood asthma. I submitted my 500 and 1,000, and 1,650 swim times from the past season and had to run a 2 mile time trial on the track. I was under 10 min by a tad or so I think.
With those two base sports they gave you one year to get your shooting up to speed, then they would develop your horse and fencing skills over your career. It seems with shooting you can either be world class in a fairly short period or you just don't have it. It takes years to develop college speed in the pool , equestrian and fencing. Another road un followed.
Anyway my idea back in the early 80s was to have the Worlds Fastest Triathlon. 50 meters in the pool. Go to the track venue 100meters out of blocks. Then a flying 200m on the velodrome. Interesting how a second or a few 10ths makes a big difference.
Or the "long form" triathlon. 100m in the pool, 400m on the track and a timed kilo straight out on a road. The best part of this format is that you could have the local swim team, runners club and bike club do all the venue and timing and you could hold the race on Friday of a Sunday Triathlon weekend. That way you would already have all the competitors you could handle and it would give the triathletes another event on a long travel weekend.


I love the idea of super sprint distances in triathlon. In fact, part of the reason why I became totally hooked on Modern Pentathlon is my best running distances have always been middle distances. It just so happens the Modern Pentathlon race distance is 3200 meters (actually, a broken 4 x 800 with shooting in between). And, for masters, the distance is 2400 meters (3 x 800).

I also love the idea of piggybacking off of existing races. I'm currently speaking to a race organizer in Santa Cruz, CA, who holds three aquathlon / triathlon events each year about integrating an exhibition Biathle / Triathle race into one of her events. I can't think of a better way to expose people to these Modern Pentathlon sub-sports. Biathle is really just a run-swim-run aquathlon with slightly shorter distances than a typical aquathlon. Triathle adds the shooting skill component, which gives opportunities for slower athletes who are better marksmen to do well.

You can still go down the road. I started getting involved in the sport at 49, having never done horse jumping or fencing before then. It took me one year to achieve minimum competency in horse jumping to be able to compete in the 2021 Olympic selection event. In other words, I went from no experience to the highest levels of the sport in the U.S. in less than two years and at the age of 51.
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Dude, I am 69. Me thinks I am a little late to be doing stadiums. I worry about getting bucked off my road bike.
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G-man wrote:
Dude, I am 69. Me thinks I am a little late to be doing stadiums. I worry about getting bucked off my road bike.

I am guessing you would have a pretty good chance of winning the masters 70+ division at the next masters world championships. You could compete in tetrathlon if you are worried about the riding. šŸ˜
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I, along with some of my Wolfpack Pentathlon Club members, just competed at the 2021 USA Modern Pentathlon National Championships, which were held on May 21-23 at the New Mexico Military Institute (NMMI) in Roswell, NM.

Check out our recap here:

https://wolfpackpentathlon.com/...ional-championships/

I think many of the multi-sport athletes on this forum would find this sport to be interesting.

K_Man
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