I cant take credit for this statement but...

"get woke, go broke...specialized"

 It’s why it’s pretty cool when HBCU school like Hampton Uni comes on board to support triathlon as an ncaa sponsored sport. If they can get more ppl involved in positions of power, I think the cultural change will improve even more.

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I can't see the video from here, but I assume they are talking about Crit racing where the newbies are passively discouraged from participating by some of the snobs and officials?

If that is the case, from someone that participates in both sports, Triathlon, even at the high level events is nothing like cycling. Not even in the same league. I try to be nice and helpful to anyone that asks in both sports, but I have never seen anyone treat a new triathlete like I've seen people treat first time 5er. I've had the urge to take a few people behind the scoring truck and beat then senseless, and that was just 2 weekends ago.

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There are definitely inclusivity problems, but I think they are less aligned with race and more to do with cost. Bike racing (and triathlon) are incredibly expensive, especially when you want to get something that's actually good. The irony is that Specialized (and others) sell their racing bikes at exorbitant prices, I'm sure well beyond the point of making a profit. If they really wanted to help with this issue, they would find better ways to support low income communities. It is stands, these videos scream of "woke points" without actually doing anything about it.

I'd say the bike world has appeared fairly inclusive to me until you get near the top of the A groups and above.

We have a thriving "critical mass" group ride scene of brewery rides including all people who want to come.

We have lots of local group rides. Most having A/B, and some offering C groups. Some of the C groups even meeting on local greenways or at times to cater to retired people.

Once you breach the pointy part of the A group ride though, I'd say it gets to be pretty clique like and exclusive pretty quick. Egos.

I started out riding with a couple friends outside of any groups a few times. I did the critical mass for half a year. Did the B group for a while, moved up to A group. Dabble in racing.

To me the trouble starts for folks wanting to compete in road. I don't find road race to be very inclusive at all. And it isn't just due to the vast differences in physical ability required either.

The very nature of road riding in the US versus maybe the UK or Europe kind of separates the racers and the clubbies. In the US you either solo race or are part of a team. Sometimes, a team is part of a club. Around here........I don't really notice that. I notice a lot more teams operating as teams only. Not part of a club.

This brings about a lack of social accountability for road racers. They're not accountable at all for being cliquey, douchey, exclusive, cocky, or whatever.

The wouldn't matter at all if they kept to themselves. However, a lot of these teams depend on local CLUB rides for their training rides. Then they show up, ride like it's the freaking regional championships or a freaking national championship race, and yell and talk shit about people who manage to hang on and mix up "their group". Last I checked, you showed up to the CLUB's group ride.

I think the UK/Euro club based system works better. You have an overall club umbrella for all the riders: C, B, A, time trial, road racers, etc... Everyone contributes somehow. Membership dues, time, companionship, community involvement. Everyone can belong somehow. It fosters more community and involvement.

Then, because of all this, you have the decline in road in the US. You've got a bunch of A group riding roadies who'd fancy a try at racing but the environment isn't very inviting and almost winds up making you choose between "us in the club, and them on the race team". Or going it alone.

Right now, local to me, both race group and club group leadership is weak. People don't bring people into the herd, foster the relationship, develop their skills. If it's racing, it's all about showing up to the club ride and destroying everyone and then "just go home and do more intervals".

And none of them stick around afterwards to have a beer, or soda, with the clubbies they just spent 90 minutes destroying and yelling at. Not even a "hi my name is". Bike onto the car rack, fist bump the racing buddies, peel out and go home.

I do both the club thing and dabble in race. I've buddied up with only maybe two racers that were personable that show up to the club rides. Two out of probably 20+ that I've met or have shown up.

If you're on the local club ride you're not going to France to race tomorrow. Chill after and introduce yourself.

I've met some awesome club riders doing this that I enjoy riding and talking with.

I think for me it's the "us and them" thing between road racers and clubbies in the US. Some areas may have great relationships and collaboration. Here, it's two different worlds.



So.........triathlon. I don't think it does because everyone races and participates together. I see more clubs operating all in one. I don't see tri groups separating out the AG podium competitors from the BOP'ers at the club level socially.

And guess what's increasing in popularity in the US...........gravel racing. Why? Everyone rides together (like a marathon or triathlon) and most people see each other on the club ride and get along together and are more laid back. There's less "us and them".

Geeeez. I wonder why it is growing in popularity.

I've advocated for clubs and fondos joining hands with USAC to do events on the same day on the same course. Run the racers in their groups 5min apart 30min before the fondo mass start. Have the same post-race environment for both groups to mingle together. I'm just theorizing here.

It's easy to be a dick when all you're around are a bunch of type A egomaniacs. It's a little harder when after the race you've got a band, food trucks, a brewery, etc.......

We really need to re-think this stuff. My wife has commented about how depressing the road races I've done seem. But how fun the duathlon and fondos and gravel races I've done seemed.


I'm done............

Young black kids seriously love riding bikes.
It's the sport of cycling that just isn't cool to them, since it's essentially a bunch of middle aged, rich white people in spandex looking goofy af sitting outside a coffee shop. Why aren't more young blacks into golf? Sure, Tiger gave it a boost back in the 90s, but it didn't change anything. It's old, rich white people shit.

Specialized jumped the shark with this one. You don't blame an entire sport for not being inclusive enough if the communities "excluded" simply don't give a shit about a sport that doesn't interest them in the first place. Professional cycling simply isn't relevant to mainstream Americans, and so it isn't seen as cool in African American communities. Why isn't Cricket in America more inclusive and representative of minorities???? Because we don't give a shit.

Who's suppose to fix this? UCI affirmative action? Force teams to hire minimum 1 black, 1 asian, and 1 woman manager?
It's a non-problem. Competitive cycling just isn't cool. People are saying it's too expensive, but guess what, in the black community flaunting your wealth is literally the most revered thing in the entire popular culture. You'd think showing off your $16,000 S-Works would be like showing off your 2 million dollar Bugatti, but there simply is little to no cultural interest.

Couldn't agree more

First off, I'm white. Very white. As in Mash Potatoes are just Irish Guacamole white.

With that said, my cycling group is 75% black. Even the "group leader." Maybe we are an outlier, but we are about 20 long time middle aged friends with advanced educations and good paying jobs that like to meet on weeks and some weeknights and go bike riding together. We have been doing this for years. By the way, we have a cop, a judge, several lawyers, an ad exec, a doctor, and the rest are senior managers and executives. So I guess we a bunch of middle aged (white and black) (semi-)rich people in spandex looking goof af siting outside a coffee shop.

I would postulate that $$$ and education probably has more to do with it than skin color.

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What he ^^^^ said.
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Cycling and triathlon aren't "cool sports" in the USA and they are both expensive.Hop on a plane to some countries and white folks are a tiny minority at cycling events and triathlons.
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This videos shows that Specialised has bought into the anti white male narrative with the premise being that white males have made "rules" to stop black guys racing.Of course they didn't show a black female cyclist,they showed a white female as the one who "understands" the plight of the downtrodden black community.They didn't show any white guys in a positive light,just a white female who understands because you know, "white guys".
Someone who was a fan of the Gillette ad pitched this idea to Specialised.

I will venture to say that most people in bike / tri racing are part of the 5-10% top earner (or child of).

Furthermore, most of those people competing in those are not making a leaving standing on their feet.

Having more role models could help the representation... but fix the income distribution issues, is the real solution.

pretty much.. get woke, go broke..specialized. Not a fan.

It's income and interest in the US. Pretty simple.

Might even be some chicken/egg going on. It takes a lot of money, so most people have no interest. I don't think it's a race thing at all. Hell, even people with money often lose interest in even trying to sport just because of the cost.

An anecdotal example...

I recently encouraged a friend of mine (a white, female, doctor). To do a local sprint triathlon. She was excited. Then she saw that it was $50.00 just to register. Which, lets be honest, is pretty cheap for a race. She was actually shocked that the "short" event cost that much.

She needed the basics to get started. She was already a runner, but needed new shoes. But lets say she was just getting started and had to get a $100 pair of shoes for training/racing.
She needed a cheap wet suit. She purchased the super cheap XTerra one for ~$125.
She then realized she needed goggles/swim cap - ~$25
She already owned an ok commuter bike so she didn't need a new bike. But Imagine if she did...


So now, in her mind she's $180+ into this..just to try it. When I said that she might want to invest in some tri shorts (the cheapest I could find were $50) she basically said that was enough. She would just change into some padded commuter shorts in transition.

At first I laughed but then realized that the upfront cost to just TRY your average tri is pretty high. Economics or not - $150+ to just try something you may never want to do again is pretty high.

Of course there is an inclusivity problem, not based on gender or skin color but on socioeconomic status. Triathlon is full of middle to high income earners who can justify the race fees and equipment expenses.

Specialized's cheapest road bike costs a months wage for someone on minimum wage here. Simply getting more people with darker skin to ride doesn't fix inequality but it is a great PR campaign.

I think competing triathlon is incredibly inclusive. Hilariously inclusive, almost to a fault.

What other sports out there are amateurs allowed to compete directly with and against pros on the same course?
What other sports out there allow males and females to compete directly without adjusting the distance/difficulty of the event to discriminate/accommodate one gender?
What other sports out there allow amateurs to compete against people their own age category for the entirety of their life?
What other sports allow for individuals with disabilities to get out and compete along side the able-bodied?
What other sport has specific categories for larger, heavier, fatter athletes? Relay Teams for individuals who want to participate but only want to do one leg? Hell, even corporate CEOs get their own category.
Events are available on every continent on Earth and no geographic people dominate.

So, as far as I can tell, triathlon is neither ageist, sexist, racist, ableist, weightist, or nationalist.

The only barriers to entry I see are "can you afford it" and "time". 3 sports is 2 more than 1.

Being upset when you pick a sport/job field (STEM)/university and don't see "enough" *insert under-represented group here* (minorities/females/LGBTs) for your individual liking, then blame the sport, create advertisements telling consumers that is it somehow a problem...their problem, and they are somehow oppressing individuals who have no interest in the thing in the first place, now seems to be the battle cry of the modern political left.

At first I laughed but then realized that the upfront cost to just TRY your average tri is pretty high. Economics or not - $150+ to just try something you may never want to do again is pretty high.

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I actually think the bigger barrier to entry is actual the fact that you have to train for 3 sports before even trying it. This isn't a 5k 45 min workout where you can just "walk" if you enter the 5k event 2 weeks from now because your boss and co-workers want to do it. Now you pretty much have to do *some* swim/bike/running before you can just do it. I mean granted you could actually just go do it, but no one does that. But I see lots and lots of people who do a 5k for charity, etc and never "train" for it. But you really dont just randomly pick a tri and do it in a few weeks. You have to have *some* ability just to get to the finish when you combine doing all 3 at once.

So what I've always said is that triathlon simply being 3 sports is the biggest barrier add in that one of those is swimming....Doesnt Red Cross stats showcase that what 50% of Americans can/dont swim?


And your sport is something that half the population cant do.....yeah your niche of the niche at that point.

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 Terrible advertisement. Offend your core market.

It is funny reading this thread coming from a alpine ski background. Entry barriers include living near snow, living near mountains, desire to be in cold environment. Desire to spend $ to buy lift ticket, gear, lessons. Desire to drive in snowstorm to practice enough to not break leg, break neck, fall off cliff, get buried in avalanche etc.

Convince yourself you are having fun until you are good enough to actually have fun.

Related to how you get into sub groups of skiers, snow boarders, telemarkers and mono boarders. They are all similar but different, kind of like the latin based languages. Luckily I am fluent in all aspects so I can in effect go undercover within the different tribes and cross reference/pollinate ideas and techniques. As it turns out that is why I really like triathlon.

I even learned to speak DH bike and surfing and am always amazed at how little other people bounce around between the disciplines. For the most part each subject is worthy of a lifetime of study but after sufficient time and energy, each can be mastered. (see 10'000 hour thread). To me they are all gravity/flow sports and are related.

As far as race goes, why would some POC city folk want to go skiing if they have never even laid eyes on a mountain?

Which brings me to competition. These 'extreme ski events' take place in buttfuck no where (Thompson Pass, AK for example).
Where collection of trucks and RVs meet in desolate highway pullout in middle of winter and the competitors (15-20 tops) are wisked to some distant peak via helicopter and 3-4 judges sit huddled in a tent with binoculars on an adjacent peak and try to define and reward such tenuous aspects of style and aggression and line choice. LOL.

Nowadays organizers setup up live FB streams and the like but back in the early 2000s there might be no camera crew. Just random names on result sheets that hopeful inspire sponsors to keep laying out cash for no obvious ROI... But dang skiing is fun!

Laughable.
All specialized cares about is having another demographic to sell their bikes to. This isn’t about social progression, rather economic expansion.

IMO, FasterTwitch got it right.

Triathlon doesnt have an "active" inclusivity problem in the sense that minorities are kept out due deliberate/due to malice/racism/whatever. However, systemic differences are what lead to a disproportional representation, and the main ones are:
- socio-economic factors
- lack of role models to emulate

The question is - does it matter if people of ethnicity X dont *want* to play a particular sport? I would say no - I would say it only matters if someone wants to participate in a particular sports but is prevented/discouraged from doing so, which doesnt seem to be the case here.

Of course, in this day and age of shrill hyperbole, it is impossible to have a reasoned discussion on these issues without SJWs going ballistic and screaming "racism" at the drop of a hat, which sets back any kind of freaking progress by years.

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That is impressive that you are able to make such broad generalizations based on skin color. Is the love for racing bikes and flaunting wealth a genetic disposition of blacks? Does it vary within the population? For instance are Caribbean blacks are more or less likely than American born blacks to love racing bikes and flaunting wealth? Do tell......

OK so I actually watched this. What is interesting about it? I actually found it quite boring. It is an advertisement based on virtue signaling to sell bikes to a target market of woke/self hating white people. They were not as ridiculous about it as Gillette, but still very dumb. Is Treks counterpunch going to be a similarly melodramatic spot on underrepresented non binary cyclists? Again, so dumb.

hispanic/black minorities are groomed to big ball sports as they excel their much better than white folk. The cost to enter is cheap, every damn town has a basketball hoop and you just need a $5 ball. So yes it is economic factor too. I was sad when I was teaching homeless minority kids swim lessons (free for them, via grant program). I saw so much potential talent... and then the program ended and back to football/basketball they went. Justin Williams is no joke... crushing many crits out here , I wonder why he isnt on any sponsored tour team

And swim participation is even worse in black communities. Our local Y has been trying for years to get more black kids into swim lessons. A few years back a few black teenagers drowned in relatively swallow water. They were screaming for help, but no one in their large group on-shore knew how to swim either, a terrible tragedy.

Every quarter our Y offers "swim for life" week long swim lessons to anyone in the community. Love it cus we'll see whole families learning to swim, etc.

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That is impressive that you are able to make such broad generalizations based on skin color. Is the love for racing bikes and flaunting wealth a genetic disposition of blacks? Does it vary within the population? For instance are Caribbean blacks are more or less likely than American born blacks to love racing bikes and flaunting wealth? Do tell......

I'm sorry you're bothered by the notion that race and cultural upbringing is a critical factor in individual development, but it is. African Americans are decidedly different culturally to native Africans or those from the Caribbean. Just ask an African immigrant, you'll learn a lot. You can educate yourself on all sorts of issues through unbiased observation and data collection in order analyze/draw conclusions to test a hypothesis. I challenge you to investigate these issues for yourself and draw your own conclusions about culture. But, trying to provoke me by denying conclusions derived from clear evidence based on experience just makes you a pissed off SJW. See, the comment below.

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And swim participation is even worse in black communities. Our local Y has been trying for years to get more black kids into swim lessons. A few years back a few black teenagers drowned in relatively swallow water. They were screaming for help, but no one in their large group on-shore knew how to swim either, a terrible tragedy.

Sounds racist right? American blacks can't swim...Well, it's a fact that black children are at higher risk of drowning because a higher percentage do not know how to swim. Also, there are less black navy seals. Must be a racist organization right? No. More African Americans joining the navy need remedial swim training than any other ethnic group, and being a strong swimmer is a pre-req. It must be exhausting injecting that victim mentality into everything you observe.

You are abscribing characteristics of race to things that are not. And yet you do not seem to know the difference. There are a lot of variables that determine whether someone is interested in bikes or not. Race is so insignificant as to be an error term. But if you have data on this I would love to see it.

Do yourself a favor and do not condescend on things that you *think* that you are well informed of but are actually quite ignorant.

PS it is laughable that you think I am an SJW.

The cost of running is even lower than the cost of basketball and baseball. DItto with soccer. Running and soccer are the world's #1 and #2 participation sports with soccer being the most celebrated team sport. They are still not that cool amongst the African American population, and this is with a plethora of accomplished black/ minority role models. There's a perception that running/ soccer in America isn't cool and there's no obvious pathway to get rich. This is not an inclusivity issue, it's a perception issue.

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Take a short break from ST and read my blog:
http://tri-banter.blogspot.com/

You dont think that socio-economic and cultural differences related to ethnicity (everything from access to sport, role models, peer group preferences, $$) affect participation in sports?

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I read some recent posts and had to rewatch the video.

I get the race/color aspect here, but what I didn’t know was how triggered ST people were outside of Lavender Room to “signaling”.

Jesus, get a life y’all. You get offended by the Hennesey advert with Major Taylor also? What’s a liquor company doing adverts with black cyclists for? Must be offensive and a profit grab.

Maybe y’all would get your precious KQ if you were logging miles or yards instead of bitching on ST about signaling. Grow up and exercise the choice of stopping watching it and not spreading views or clicks.

Like y’all who care about signaling care that much anyway. You’re going to be in here talking new Specialized Slice or something anyway.

It took so many levels of assumptions to get to you being offended at signaling that it’s either sad or laughable.

That is different than race.

I'll just chime in because I've been doing tris, cycling, XC skiing, swimming for something like 40 years now, where, at least in North America, its all white guys.

But dammit, I did my first tri in 1985. First XC ski race in 1987. First bike race in 1987.

NO WHITE GUYS STOPPED ME FROM DOING THESE SPORTS.

Today in 2019. If I go to an endurance sport event and I have to meet someone I have only met online, I usually say,

"just track down the non white athletes. And then ask for Dev. Likely there is only one of us at the event. Maybe 5. You'll find me....non white guy, 5'6" and there will be one of us".

BUT ITS NOT THE FAULT OF ANY WHITE GUYS THAT THERE ARE NOT MORE OF US


It our own f&*ing fault that we're toooooooo stupid to do these awesome sporta.

At least in my so called community, everyone is academically geeked out and trying to climb the corporate ladders. They have PLENTY OF MONEY to do these sports. And there are plenty of wealthy black guys and girls who have sufficient economic power to do these sports.

The barrier to our sports is economic, not any bogus colour barrier. Let's get that straight.

Guys and girls, men and women from my ethnic background are just too stupid to actually wake up, smell the coffee, then go smell the roses while going for a run or a bike ride. They are tied to their corporate treadmill as if their corporate position will come with them to their funeral.

Sorry for the rant, but I am sick and tired of the rest of the world making my white endurance sport friends feel guilty because we're (my ethnic community) too stupid to actually do sport. Then we have heart attacks from the stress of climbing corporate ladders at the age of 50 and wonder why GOD did not take care of us.

IN ANY CASE, PLEASE NONE OF YOU WHITE GUYS SHOULD FEEL GUILTY ABOUT US NOT DOING SPORT. ITS OUR OWN LOSS IF WE DON'T TAKE UP THE AWESOME GIFT THAT SOCIETY HAS TO OFFER US.

Sorry for all the screaming but I pretty well have zero tolerance for minorities not taking up opportunities and blaming the rest of the world.


RANT OVER....now let's go back to the wattage thread dick swinging, Zwift watts per kilo cheating, talking about aero laces, geeking out on hand positions in the windtunnel and doing everything other than actually training to get faster.

Sure.. but i've always interpreted "race" as shorthand for all these specific issues. I agree that that all else being equal, skin color is hardly going to be make a difference - but all else is rarely equal.

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Good on ya Dev..I reckon we need a thread about all the cool places triathletes go to train and race and the amazing people they meet..Photo's and or videos required..:-)

My ethnic community in Canada/USA needs that.

It seems like over in India 70.3 Goa sold out which is awesome!!!! newflash....Indians in India do sport....here in North America, you're an abject failure if you don't turn into CEO of Microsoft or Google or Pepsico LOL.

In any case, there is no excuse for kids of immigrants or people of colour (whatever that is supposed to mean....its not like European descent guys and girls have no skin colour). Well we all have EXACTLY THE SAME EXCUSE YOU ALL HAVE:

1. Its expensive (....there are plenty of poor white people, and plenty of rich coloured people)
2. We can't make time to train
3. We're too lazy to train
4. We're injured
5. We're fat
6. We have no drive
7. We would rather be in the pub
8. We're wasting time on Slowtwitch
9. Messick and Wanda are an evil empire
10. They called a no wetsuit swim....definitely can't do it NOW!!!!

OK any other universal execuses that apply to every human on the planet that makes tris hard to access? In case there are some magic brown/black people excuses that I have not heard in general let me know

Good on you for posting.

A person tends to go with sport(s) of their community. There are natural advantages to that. If I were in a community where the most popular sports paid big bucks/scholarships like soccer, basketball, football why would I want to swim, bike or run? The enormity of the payback/popularity would lead me to try swim, bike and run only after my failure at soccer, basketball, football. That's how it works for many.

We have black cyclists and triathletes in Atlanta. Like me, maybe they tried other sports first and then came to swim, bike, run because it is enjoyable, individual, and they don't have to compare a younger them with an older them. Having the time and money to swim, bike or run, also shouts out that you've made it and you really are training.

Racism and misogyny seem to be beat down words/tools to advance someone over someone else. Don't like the idea that people think, that to get ahead, you need to put someone else down. There is no "pie" that is only so big to fight over. Life can be creating new opportunities for yourself/others that doesn't deprive others of what they want to do too (if you don't tax them to do what you want done).

With our demographic, it could have been better if they took on video games that encourage violence, fantasy, social isolation and obesity if they wanted to do some virtue signalling.

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Unlike most people here I actually know Justin Williams and his team a bit; I often race with them and we often do the same group ride on Saturdays when there are no races (the Montrose ride in SoCal). Ironically the point they are making is exactly the same point that a top white Euro cyclist made this week in a european podcast - about cycling's culture and its unwritten rules about what's cool and what's not. That's part of the reason why cycling doesn't have any crazy rockstars because an attitude that is too different is not accepted. Even Sagan got his hands slapped by (at the time) bigger stars like Cancellara that he had to tone it down with his showmanship (and he did).

The guys from CNCPT / Legion of Los Angeles pro cycling team are similar in a way that they look different and come from a different culture and they want to be true to their culture. And that's what they are doing and they're ignoring cycling's traditional expectations. And they're succeeding, mostly because they are winning races week after week and are very well respected in SoCal and beyond. I think this video not a complaint but rather a message of them explaining why they're different.

Yeah, I'm glad he's found a good place. The Legion *is* fun to watch, and they're pretty good. I've never personally witnessed what he's talking about. I've seen him ganged up on by other riders in P12 races where he was pretty much alone. But that's just a sign of respect when guys don't want you around in the sprint. But the Legion solved that problem, because very few can crack the team. The only other thing I've seen are some older FB threads about physical contact, with some stuff directed at the Williams'. But that was interesting, because on that one there was a lot of support from the *really* old school guys glad to see contact making its way back into the sport. The main opponents of the contact seemed to be some really good (white) criterium riders. Though one of my favorite moments in a P12 crit was being shoved out of the way by Rahsaan Bahati in the final corner - just glad that someone cared enough about me to shove me, which is one step above being an anonynous nobody.

Agreed with what you said - this, the huge cultural issue combined with the cost and you have something that is very exclusive. You could say this about cycling, triathlon and running in North America. There is no culture of appreciation for endurance sports.

Let's face it - in North America, all of the endurance sports are completely off the radar screen. There really is no culture and no interest amongst the mainstream for them. The only time they make the news is the latest on Lance Armstrong, or some gal running a marathon every day for a month for some some charity. In other words it's lance or some kind of freak-show - they don't cover, cycling, triathlon or running like a sport.

What's weird is the population base, of runners, cyclists and triathletes in North America is quite large - perhaps 50 million+ in total, but it's almost like they don'y exist!

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Get woke, go broke. Specialized.

That's a whole lot of jibberish not at all related to the issue posed.

To the OP, triathlon is even worse. Barriers to entry are even higher than in cycling, which is saying something.

This^^^^^^^ is the real answer. Its cultural....nothing more.

Bitching on ST about people bitching on ST............….Priceless

Lol......People bitching about virtue signaling doesn't make anyone faster. Some of the other bitching on ST might.

Pretty much the whole thread is unrelated gibberish.

I actually went back and RE-watched the video. I thought I must have missed something given all the posts about cost, virtue signaling, clique-y A rides, etc. etc. (not to mention some incredibly disheartening, retrograde attempts to describe the function of race and culture on how people see/navigate the world).What does all this have to do with the question of diversity and inclusion in the video, and I assume in the OP's question?


So a guy who is really good at cycling starts a team to make cycling look more appealing and more like a potential path to people who don't typically pursue competitive cycling, and everyone is in a bunch about.... what?