Why? bc I think triathlon should be swim bike run. Not a wrestling or WWE no holds barred match?
as ajax bay says maybe try to be a little bit less dramatic?
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The truth is the sport can very quickly get ugly when an overly zealous competitive attitude persists that goes beyond the spirit of competition.
Yes yes, winning is the goal and not making friends. But true competitors respect that, which at least she sort of even gave homage to by wanting to shake hands. But she (apparently) burned that bridge several times moments earlier, so her attempts at post race comraderie were rebuffed.
If everyone goes out with a win at All costs approach theyāll be grabbing and āmissingā every bottle and cup, cutting people off and slowing down, having bystanders get the way on the course and any number of shady gray area things. Itās already why some people turn parts of the swim into a mosh pit.
Found it, it was London 2010
Youtube link (quite scary to see AB crossing the line) : Prova masculina da 2010 Dextro Energy Triathlon - ITU World Championship Series London
story from AB : Alistair Brownlee recalls waking up in hospital after DISASTROUS collapse in London - Elite News - TRI247
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How close are you to elite short course racing?
Someone who used to be very very close (in fact won an Olympic medal, Comm games medal and world championship) claims that passing the bottle is very common, especially in womenās competition.
So if there is an unwritten rule that Tertsch is oblivious to, perhaps thatās a little different piece of optics from āthe others should HTFUā.
Additional trivium: Holland also points out that Tertsch will never ever ever take a pull on the bike, even if it would (in Hollandās opinion) benefit Tertsch. One scenario was Holland and Tertsch riding in a chase group together towards the end of Hollandās career and Tertsch having no hope of a top 10 finish unless they can make up time (she finished 15th). Itās just a very rigid āI wonāt go to the frontā rather than āIāll do whatās best for my resultā.
I think what annoys the others about Lisa could just be a sum of various parts.
Yes , I think you are right. She NEVER takes a turn on the bike. Several swim violations. The water behavior has apparently happened before ,( so not a ā one offā. On top of that, the left arm out looked like she was trying to hold her competitor back.
She seems to be disliked by quite a few of the athletes
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We can distinguish and rate in race behavior vs outside race behavior yes? Suggesting all āunsportsmanlikeā behavior is the same is probaly losing the plot?
I think a little spice adds some fun dynamics, and I think there are degrees of āunsportsmanlikeā as well. The only thing I ever worry about with athletes who are always pushing the limit- in a sport like triathlon there just isnāt enough eyes on you to probaly fully monitor it, unlike team/ball sports where a ref is always in the field of play. Swim aggressiveness almost has to be WWE imo in order to be called on it (which is what AB did to McQueen when he got called on it, I never looked back at the swim video of the '23 swim violation for LT).
Distinguish all you want, Iām just stating my opinion on what I think is unsportsmanlike conduct. To me not passing a bottle is not worse than refusing a handshake post race, and certainly not worse than throwing a bottle at your competitor. People will disagree on that (and already have on this thread); thatās fine, I understand different things rub different people the wrong way.
I donāt know why Iām so stuck up on the āno handshakeā thing, especially since I could have done the same thing in my old super competitive days ! I just am, and I guess I see it as an obvious show of disrespect.
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Right but isnāt that the whole point of why LT is getting snubbed? They feel disrespected by her actions, so they arenāt going to act all āfakeā and act as if all is good. Iād much prefer someone snubbing a post race high five than to retialiate in the race. Again Iād much rather worry about in race dynamics than anything out of the race, thatās just sorta āfake dramaā, whereas ārubbing is racingā attitude can potentially have real consequences with athletes. And Iām talking less specifically about any athlete, and more general with that attitude mindset. The sport really cant police the athletes to a really great degree with the specific S dynamics, unless itās truly outrageous behavior.
Iām not a fan of get away with whatever you can get away because I want to win attitude (hell yeah I want to win too, Iām not going to coach my athletes to pull on peopleās arms until you get caught and the chances of getting caught are slim, so letās use that as a āstrategyā), especially in a sport that is as difficult to spot infractions as a sport like ours that involves OW swimming. Same can basically be said for AG bike dynamics. The whole reason why AG drafting is so prevelant and difficult is because you can get away with it so easily because there is so few officiating.
Iād have no problem with an athlete sitting in on the bike. Thatās a fair play strategy, if you started to brake check people in corners or riding ādangerouslyā- knowingly cutting onto a wheel etc, thatās the āsportsmanshipā that doesnāt need to be in sport (but all are legal actions). So more times than not the athletes āself governā those behaviors when it occursā¦.which is basically what the gals did by snubbing her post race, in addition to whatever ātalkā they had together.
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Ok so at risk of descending into āshe started itāā¦ Well, she started it.
But on the podium, if someone behaved disrespectfully in the race and consistently in the race, I actually donāt think an athlete should feel obligated to shake their hands.
I suppose you might say the best move is to shake their hand, look them in the eye and tell them to cut that crap out as itās hacky scrappy disrespectful garbage. And thatās the thing. Itās not like we have to be all high brow chummy competitors.
But it makes you look like a scrappy person who doesnāt belong to do slimy stuff like this consistently. Itās the kind of crap you imagine the athletes doing who clearly arenāt good enough and they are just big dogging it, but in reality they get outclassed and outcompeted.
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the thing is you need to separate what is emotions and what is facts.
fact is tertsch has gotten penalties for swim violation but fact is also not in 25 and not in 26.
can we agree on the fact that tertsch did leave one bottle for lehair to grab at that aid station ? ( the video shows that clearly ) had she taken 2 out of 2 bottles I 100 percent would agree with you, that is shitty behaviour. but she took Bottle 1 and 3 and there was 1 bottle for the taking for lehair . interestingly lehair missed another bottle later on . she had it and let it immediately drop ( iam not sure was it the next aid station and it was again not tertsches mistake she did not get the bottle ) ,
I personally prefer a competitor that shares the water but this is not her job to do ,if she does not want to it , she is not Lehairs mum . and of course nobody is going to give her water , as beaugrand says very, correctly actions have consequences.
but thats more emotional stuff
what iam trying the say here is you need to be careful to distingquish what is top level elite sport ( and max out what can be done ) and what is outright unfair behaviour. and also what really happened on sunday and what not . ie she does not have to give a bottle (its friendly but its not a must) and in this case I do not see outright unfair behaviour as there was a bottle for lehair.
I hear somebody said its not important what happened its important wha the other girls felt. I say it is important to be clear that there was a bottle for lehair to take. the girls might still not like it , but lets be clear that is then more on them and a heat of the moment reaction.
I personally dont think she intentionally hit kropko, but I also would not complain if she gets a 15 sec penalty for this as there was no need to pass that close. and kropko defo had a WTF moment.
it would be a good idea if one of the head referees took her aside before or after the next race briefing ( as well as lehair) and have a nice one 2 one chat with each of them making it clear that they are both closely watched and 0 tolerance will be given in the next few races.
the hand shake or not , for this we have a thread that is called cry like a This word is not allowed which means I'm not being very nice at the moment ā¦
I totally support beaugrand for not shaking tertschās hand . this is emotional stuff and itās beaugrands choice.
iam not aware of a rule in tri that says that to shake hands after the race
GTB and Taylor spivey certainly did not shake hands for a while ā¦
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And still donāt as far as I can see. Taylor seems to have a new boyfriend, I think an ITU person? Anyone know him? But she seems happy in her vids with him, but like I tell my kids, most everything you see on the socials is not how it really is..GTB seems to be doing well with Luis, they both post up stuff that seems like they are a happy family now. They have been together for sometime now, so something must be working.
As for Cassandra, I think whatever she feels about Lisa, Iām sure she has her reasons. She seems like a really nice person, training in a big group and having lots of fun outside her federation. Probably just has had enough nonsense from the sport, and cannot abide it from fellow athletes now too..
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But back to the original question of the ādid they just snub LSā that was asked from watching the broadcast. Atleast there is an backstory reason, because generally everyone in itu gets on. For the most part itās a pretty awesome 100 person traveling party where most want to get on and just race the hell out of each other and then do it again in a month at another cool racing locationā¦.repeat that 6-10 times a year and youāve got a pretty damn cool life.
Only a fan from afar. I just think we need villains in sport as itās an entertainment product after all. Everyone getting along makes things incredibly dull for an already very dull sport. A little animosity goes a long way.
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Chase McQueen is Taylorās new boyfriend I think
McQueen is dating beaugrand
This Mcqueen guy gets around!
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Ya thatās what I thought, some other guy is our mystery boā¦
If thatās true, that would be the biggest plot twist in ITU romance ever !