I would like to avoid the pain of adjusting my brakes every time I switch training and racing wheels, so I am looking for an inexpensive set of wide training wheels, something in the 23-24mm range. Suggestions?
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Pacenti SL23 are my training wheel, and I was really pleased with the quality of the rim. I built them up 20h radial front and 16:8 in the rear. Sub 1400g and around $400 including hubs and CX-Ray spokes from BHS. Service there is great - I’ve a few friends who want sets building up so will re-order.
velocity a23 with 105 or ultegra hubs! You can usually find them for ~$210 for 105, ~$250 for ultegra. There are so many things right about shimano hubs.
I had the same issue and just picked up a pair from Neugent Cycling out of San luis obispo. 24mm rim at about $500 and custom built to spec. Appx 1450 grams.
I just picked up a set of Williams wheels for training…24mm brake surface
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All my road and cyclocross wheels are 23-24mm except the rear wheel I use on the stationary trainer.
I have HED Ardennes and Jet wheels that are 23mm wide. The plus models are 25mm wide.
I also have a handbuilt wheelset using the Pacenti SL23 which is 24mm wide.
All of them work great.
it is crazy how good the hed belgium c2+ rides. make your bike so smooth, with 25 or 26 tires. the pacenti are not a ton cheaper and are still good. they are VERY hard to change tires on if you flat.
both can go tubeless
Flo 30 is a decent option.
Flo 30 is a decent option.
If the OP is concerned about maintaining brake width between wheel sets, would the angled brake track of the Flo 30 just make for a different problem?
H+son archetype rims. I use them on my CX bike and have been pleased. Mine are 32 spoke 105 hubs for about 200, but they can be built up lighter.
Flo 30 is a decent option.
If the OP is concerned about maintaining brake width between wheel sets, would the angled brake track of the Flo 30 just make for a different problem?
Ah, potential problem.
The pricing varies by about $100 for a pair of rims. That’s a reasonable chunk.
Challenge Stradas on Pacentis were tough to fit out of the packet (still managed with just thumbs, but I wouldn’t recommend it!) however since then I’ve been able to fit them by hand. I think it is critical to drop the bead into the centre of the rim and use thin rim tape ie Pacenti’s own tape.
I haven’t tried the HEDs. Couldn’t see the added value of ~$50 per rim. H Sons rim is good looking, but the angled spoke holes means it won’t suit 2:1 lacing on the rear, which was my aim for a wider rim. Shimano hubs are cheap and well made but only available in higher spoke counts, but wide rims suit lower spoke counts nicely. I’m 190lbs and have no flex issues with 20h front and 24h rear on Pacentis. And 1400g is not bad.
I’ve been impressed with some of Reynolds aluminium offerings. Not ridden them, but having a look over them in my local shop, they seem well made for the price.
One thing I would caution is that a 25c becomes a huge tire and may cause fit issues on certain frames. There’s not much room between the tire and chainstays on my Felt F-series.
Flo 30 is a decent option.
If the OP is concerned about maintaining brake width between wheel sets, would the angled brake track of the Flo 30 just make for a different problem?
No that should not be a problem. I switch all the time between our FLO 30s and regular 24.4mm rims without any need for adjustment. The angle on the FLO 30 brake tracks are very subtle.
I hope that helps,
The pricing varies by about $100 for a pair of rims. That’s a reasonable chunk.
Challenge Stradas on Pacentis were tough to fit out of the packet (still managed with just thumbs, but I wouldn’t recommend it!) however since then I’ve been able to fit them by hand. I think it is critical to drop the bead into the centre of the rim and use thin rim tape ie Pacenti’s own tape.
I haven’t tried the HEDs. Couldn’t see the added value of ~$50 per rim. H Sons rim is good looking, but the angled spoke holes means it won’t suit 2:1 lacing on the rear, which was my aim for a wider rim. Shimano hubs are cheap and well made but only available in higher spoke counts, but wide rims suit lower spoke counts nicely. I’m 190lbs and have no flex issues with 20h front and 24h rear on Pacentis. And 1400g is not bad.
I’ve been impressed with some of Reynolds aluminium offerings. Not ridden them, but having a look over them in my local shop, they seem well made for the price.
One thing I would caution is that a 25c becomes a huge tire and may cause fit issues on certain frames. There’s not much room between the tire and chainstays on my Felt F-series.
No problem running 25’s on my 2013 Felt Fc. Race wheels are 606FC tubular. Training wheels are Chinese 56mmx27mm clincher rims, Novatec hubs, CX-Ray spokes, $540 to my door.
I am searching for a new pair as my Belgium C2’s (non +) are on their death beds. I have used several pairs for many years. Future wheels I would want to be tubeless compatible.
Winter riding here in the PNW is pretty tough on rims and I am lucky to get 2 years out of them before the brake tracks are too thin to continue. My rain bike has V-brakes and that may contribute somewhat.
Lots of good options in this thread - any of them have thicker rim sidewalls to start with?
I ride H plus Son Archetype, 28/32. Really like them. Mine are laced with Novatec hubs. Put about 10k on them and no problems whatsoever. I run 23s (Conti) on them as 25s are really more like 28s and leaves precious little clearance in my frame. Brake track was black but wore off after the first ride for me (was a rainy ride though). Didn’t really care about that just don’t really understand giving it such a purely aesthetic treatment that has such limited shelf life. Unless you ride fixed or disc of course, then it will stay clean and look very nice I’d imagine.
3t Accelero Pro, 23mm wide. $328.88, or $20 more for the stealth version.
http://www.excelsports.com/main.asp?page=8&description=Accelero+40+Pro+Wheelset&vendorCode=3T&major=13&minor=1
Pacenti SL23’s, HED Belgium, HED Belgium+, Flo 30 all great wide rims (have owned / ridden them all)… be wary of what tire and subsequent inner tube you use though (wider rim results in larger internal volume)…
Measured with digital pressure gauge and digital vernier calipers…(that Conti 25mm is not a typo!!)
HED Belgium Plus Rim = 20.6mm inside track width
Vittoria Pave III 25mm:
Front 27.2mm 95psi
Specialized Roubaix Pro 23/25mm:
Front 27.1mm 95psi
Panaracer Gravel King 23mm:
Rear 25.6mm 95psi
Panaracer Gravel King 26mm:
Front 27.7mm 95psi
Conti GP4000 SII 25mm:
Front 29mm (!!!) 92psi
Conti GP4000 SII 23mm:
Front 27.2mm (!!!) 94psi
Flo 30 rim = 19.3mm inside track width
Panaracer Gravel King 23mm:
Front 24.3mm 93psi
Specialized Roubaix Pro 23/25mm:
Front 25.7mm 95psi
Conti GP4000 SII 23mm:
Front 25.3mm 93psi
Vittoria Pave III 25mm:
Rear 26.1mm 95psi
Conti GP4000 SII 25mm:
Front 27.7mm 93psi
Rear 27.5mm 95psi
Conti GP Force 24mm:
Rear 26.7mm 94psi
n.b. the roughly 95psi is for comparative purposes I wouldn’t run most tires on my B+ rims at more than low 80’s…
Flo 30 is a decent option.
If the OP is concerned about maintaining brake width between wheel sets, would the angled brake track of the Flo 30 just make for a different problem?
No that should not be a problem. I switch all the time between our FLO 30s and regular 24.4mm rims without any need for adjustment. The angle on the FLO 30 brake tracks are very subtle.
I hope that helps,
Good to know!
I’ll soon be looking to replace my less-than-round training wheels. Those would certainly save me a bit of time before and after mounting my 60/90’s!