This is especially bad to watch when the team that you cheer for is really bad at shooting 3s but insists on doing it anyway.
It isnt just the NBA. Was ugly last week with Alabama/Duke when Alabama went cold. They had no backup plan. Half their shot were from 3 where they shot 25%.
Shot chart is halfway down and looks like yours. I like the three but not like this. Not sure of the solution.
Yeah basketball (college and NBA) needs to change rules to change this. It has been unwatchable for years, and even now college basketball.
i see posts like this all the time and all it tells me is that people don’t watch the nba and just like to complain.
i religiously watched the 80’s celtics and lakers, saw jordan, hakeem, then ai, kobe, lebron, kd etc.
the game when good, is still very damn good. the game when bad, is just a different kind of bad.
i grew up in mass, “bleed green” you can say. but i can’t stand tatum. all the talent in the world, and settling for 3 point shots. he’s 3rd in the league. in attempts i think. that’s just a waste of his phenomenal athletic ability.
BUT there are a ton of guys who just do better as spot up 3 point shooters.
in the 80’s, the game was boring as fuck. half the time people were in fist fights, and it was closer to the harlem globetrotters than anything. defense was atrocious. 90’s basketball was good, but people couldn’t shoot for shit.
shit teams will shit. i don’t know how anyone watches a legit playoff series (we’re talking 2nd round, not this play in and first round crap), and doesn’t recognize the game is still real damn good.
just people hating, that’s all. is viewership down? sure, cus we’re getting old, people like us have lives and families and jobs. when i was a kid, i used to plant my ass on the couch and watch every damn basketball, nba on nbc was the best. kids don’t watch games like that anymore. they watch clips.
if the nba was so unpopular, guys wouldn’t be signing 20 mill per year shoe deals. there is a reason they don’t have those kind of massice deals in the nfl.
In the bottom chart, it looks like the post shots are giving you the finger. The NBA doesn’t care.
Agreed 100%.
While I absolutely loved Steph Curry in his epic 400+ 3 pointer season, I feel it’s impact has ruined the game. I actually prefer women’s basketball over the men right now (and not because I’m like super progressive, or anything. It’s just a better game).
They are about due for a rule change. Statistically there’s no reason for a mid range shot anymore. They either need to move the line back, get rid of parts of the line so that it’s easier to defend, or make the point totals something like 3 & 4 instead of 2 & 3. None of which will be popular.
They also need to get rid of that gather step rule.
Every time I see that, I think that’s a travel (or should be).
Also seems like they’re a lot more forgiving about allow players to palm / carry the ball these days.
And why I have lost interest in the game. I grew up playing Pete Carril ball and his famed Princeton offense is near completely dead. I will give credit though to the intensity and tough defensive play shown in the college game. Also the motion offense seen in European ball may be winning out here.
For 20 years now I have spent all my winter/ spring sports attention to ice hockey. In person in the arena viewing, without the solitary camera man’s and directors perspective, does allow for a keener appreciation of the entire flow to team movement and the set up of designed plays. Tic tac passing (give and go) back door lay ups are called open netters in the ice game of hockey and are far more amazing than the long range bomb and more importantly not penalized on the scoreboard.
Additionally, the rules for basketball are such that aggressive contact is not allowed, while in big boy hockey it is and it is often a winning factor for those who do it best.
For kids growing up here in DC for the last 15 years youth hockey has grown enormously and rivals the hardwood game and it is now competing well at garnering athletes attention.
The reason the NFL does not have such massive endorsement deals is you need teams to win not a superstar only. Not to mention, nobody wears a cleat as a walk around shoe. So, I do not see Nike or anyone else making a Tom Brady branded cleat like you see the Steph Curry shoe from under armour. Add in the longer average career for a NBA superstar also. It is very hard to play 20 years in the NFL. For the best in the NBA, that is not unusual.
Patrick Mahomes and Addias say hey.
Interesting. Of note, adidas the entire brand holds less US market share than the Jordan brand. Not the Mahomes shoe, the entirety of adidas. So, let’s see how this plays out for them before we start expecting to see Jayden Williams, and Josh Allen cleats.
Look, the NFL stars do great in endorsement money. Mahomes, Kelce, Brady, the Mannings etc. are in commercials all the time. I am not sold that specific shoes are the right avenue for them and the shoe companies to go with. But hey, great for Mahomes!
very few players play 20 years in the nba, and are a star for 20 years. lebron is 1 of 1. it is in fact, very unusual.
every single player that has made it to 20 years was a bench player or role player at best.
True. I also don’t think football players cleats are as prominently visible during the games. Half the guys have ankles heavily taped up over their shoes it seems.
Whereas in bball the shoes are more visibly prominent. Air Jordans from the 90’s are a fashion shoe too these days.
That graph is bullshit without further explanation.
Deduct 2 points.
I see posts like yours and it makes me wonder what type of basketball you have watched your whole life. Basketball now sucks. The shit that starts in the NBA (No Basketball Allowed) trickles down to college, high school, and below.
Travel, double dribble, fouls, are now accepted. They literally allow an additional step in the pros because it’s easier to run and dunk a ball thank dribble to the goal, make a good, legal, move and dunk.
The game today has no strategy; either stand around the perimeter or in the paint. There are no decent picks being set, no flow offensively, run down the court as fast as you can and shoot. Players today can do 2 things, run and shoot, and they definitely don’t know how to play defense.
When I watch, or referee basketball, I want to see a strategic battle, not just guys running up and down the floor shooting. In the NBA, the average time per possession is under 15 seconds, which includes bringing the ball up the floor, there’s no time for strategy.
I’m thankful, in PA, they still don’t have a shot clock in high school basketball. And I’m curious, how old are you?
i don’t really follow college or high school ball. i mean, high school studs i’ll youtube and see what the deal is, cus i’m just curious about gifted kids. college, is mostly march madness, but no one has time to follow college and the big leagues.
i’m 41. not that this means much, but i was slapped on the couch and watched the 80s celtics, my dad taped all the games and we would watch games during the off season. my dad didn’t really know anything about basketball, but when you watch enough games, you see things and learn things.
i would say that i watched 85% of televised basketball games in the 90s. things reduced in the 2000’s d/t college and grad school.
basketball sucks is an opinion. and tbh, i feel most people saying that don’t even watch basketball. my barber used to be like that, talking about how lebron sucks and larry bird was the shit and basketball hasn’t been good since the 80s. i would bait him, talk about players in the 90s and 00s that were nasty, did you see hakeem dream shake the shit out of the admiral. he was like yeah hakeem was the boss, i saw the highlights.
i’m not saying you’re one of them, but 90% of the people who claim the nba sucks today vs the 80s, literally haven’t watched basketball in years.
the shift really started with the warriors, sure they shot a lot of 3’s, but the game was absolutely beautiful. they moved the ball, none of this iso 1 on 1 boring bullshit.
you want to talk boring? any game with AI was boring AF outside of some of the crazy shit he did. rebound, pass to AI, ai brings ball down, dribbles, isos and shoots. 1/3 of every possession was AI doing that. the ball died with him, that’s why he never one shit.
sure, do some teams who have no business taking 3’s take them. of course. that DOES make the game harder to watch. but those teams suck, who watches shitty teams?
teams that make the playoffs, and go deep, are not simply 3pt shooting teams. people play no defense? come on, watch anyone play against steph, you’re telling me it’s easy to guard that man? his ability to create space, get open, and take a shot and make it from that far away is just jaw dropping.
the game changes, don’t be such a boomer. do i think that there are too many 3’s. 100%. you got guys like tatum (i’m a c’s fan btw) who should be taking it to the hole, but settles for 3’s, it pisses me off beyond imagination. but it’s like the playoffs suck. some of the play ins were really damn good. i don’t believe that the nba is less popular than it was in the past. popularity these days doesn’t tie to well into viewership (imo). i don’t have cable tv. but i watch a ton of games via streaming sites. i sometimes have 3 games up at the same time on my 3 screens. i don’t count as a viewer when they talk about omg the nba is down viewership by X%.
It’s funny you think I don’t watch bball, I am a basketball referee. Not a boomer, but pretty damn close, Gen X. I have been around basketball all but 7 years of my life (0-7). I grew up in Southern Indiana and it was pretty much a requirement.
I know the game changes, but that doesn’t mean it always changes for the better. You talk about defense and then mention Steph Curry. What is hard about defense when all you do is run the perimeter. I’ll give it to you, he is a great shooter with a quick release, that doesn’t mean he’s great at evading the defender.
I am quick to admit, I like old school basketball better, I have never liked the 3-pt line. It has spread the offenses out way too far and eliminated game strategy. In addition, go to an elementary gym and watch a 5th grader stand behind the 3-pt line to heave a ball, no form, no ability, just a throw. One in 20 goes in and people go crazy, it has ruined so many shots over the years. Go to a high school practice, they hardly even have defensive plays because it’s all run and gun. Hell, if you’ve been watching any of the NCAA tournament, the idea of help defense is a thing of the past. If someone is there to help it’s just a coincidence.
So, for me, watching guys run up and down the court, shooting the ball without any strategy is not entertainment. I’d rather watch a fun game of H-O-R-S-E than the NBA.
Finally, please don’t tell me you were all that familiar with basketball in the 80’s even if you were forced to watch it on TV, you were what 6/7 at the end of the 80’s. Some of the best basketball ever was the old Lakers/Celtics rivalries. The fouling and over-the-top aggressive play was pretty much pinned to the Pistons, it wasn’t a league wide activity.
I dunno man, this is pretty damn entertaining.
https://x.com/pickswise/status/1908628108783079740?s=46&t=f4MKbkOzpNU_o_bXlnvUlQ
Google says:
Through the first two rounds, the NCAA tournament is averaging 9.4 million viewers per game across CBS, TNT, TBS, and truTV, marking the highest average audience through the round of 32 since 1993, according to Nielsen ratings.