Which Wheels (One Set For Everything)?

I guess my basic question is whether or not I can find a single wheelset to meet all my needs or if I’m going to end up needing multiple sets. Here are the details (sorry in advance if this gets long) …

First and foremost, the wheels are for a road bike. I understand that as I start doing more tri events, I’ll likely want a dedicated tri bike, but that’s not in the cards (budget) right now and likely won’t be for a few years. I’d rather participate in these events now, even on a road bike as opposed to waiting to get a tri bike and potentially losing motivation along the way. My budget is somewhere in the $500 to $700 range, but could be stretched a bit for the right wheels. I’m part of a local club that gets 20% off MSRP for wheels at the LBS who can get just about anything imaginable. I’m also willing to consider used wheels that are in good shape. The wheels need to be clinchers (700c if it matters) and be available with a Shimano / SRAM cassette body.

I’m 6’0" and weigh 175 pounds (I’ve been at that weight for about six weeks … down from 225 at the start of the year). I ride between 100 and 150 miles a week which covers all kinds of terrain. I do some climbing, some rollers, and some fast flat rides. I do solo rides and group rides plus some charity events / centuries. And I’ll use this bike (and the wheels) for a few sprint and Olympic triathlons this year and beyond. Roads are typically in good condition and I don’t see many pot holes. I am generally very easy on my gear.

The current set of wheels on my bike is heavy and the hubs (especially the rear) have a lot of drag. Adjusting the bearings all the time isn’t ideal. I’m ready to invest in some wheels that I won’t have to tinker with all the time. Of course a little bling on the bike is never a bad thing either. :slight_smile: I think that covers all the details … let me know if there’s anything else that would be helpful.

Now, here’s what I want. I’d like a wheelset that is durable, aero / semi-aero, not too heavy, and not too expensive. Does such a thing exist?

To put those requirements in a bit more context, I’ll say that I don’t want full carbon rims. They put wheels out of my price range, they are potentially too fragile for everyday riding, and from my experience a few years back on a set of Reynolds carbon clinchers, braking performance was lacking. That said, I am open to options with carbon rims / fairings and alloy braking surfaces. I saw the Soul S4.0 wheels and they look decent, especially for the price. They’re not quite as tall as something like the Mavic Cosmic Carbone wheels, but they’re roughly the same weight and they use standard spokes. Of course the Cosmic Carbones are also an option since I can get a used set from 2008 or 2009 for around $675 locally. This is about as deep a rim as I’d want to go with.

Of course the flip side to some wheels, like the Mavics, is the proprietary spokes. My concern is that if I break a spoke and these are my only wheels, I’ll be without that wheel for a while as the local dealer would have to order the spoke from Mavic, wait for it to arrive, etc. Is that a legitimate concern or am I making a big deal out of nothing?

As far as I can tell, my options are:

  1. Soul S4.0 (not the lightest, but meets all the other criteria)
  2. Mavic Cosmic Carbone (one to two years old, uses proprietary spokes)
  3. Some other carbon wheel in the 38mm to 52mm range with an aluminum braking surface (what would this be - SRAM S40, Flashpoint, etc?)
  4. Something from the Mavic Ksyrium family (not deep or aero, but generally reliable and well liked, although we’re back to the proprietary spokes)
  5. Some other 22mm to 30mm alloy wheel (anything that could be considered a competitor to the Ksyriums, but without proprietary spokes)
  6. Something custom (e.g. Kinlin 27mm or 30mm rims with hubs and spokes of my chosing - nice, but not cheap or particularly aero)

First, am I missing any obvious choices that should be added to my list? And second, given these options, what would any of you choose? I’d love to get one wheelset for everything, but I just don’t know which option makes the most sense. In an ideal world, I’d get multiple wheel sets, but the budget doesn’t allow for that … not now anyway. I’ve had some ideas, but they tend to be driven by deals in the classifieds rather than what makes sense. So I want to figure out what I want, then look for it … not look aimlessly and then try to convince myself it’s the right decision because it’s being dangled in front of me. Rather than continue to scratch my head, I figured I’d turn things over to the collective ST brain trust to see what your thoughts were.

Thanks in advance for your help.

Brian

Performance Forte Titans. 27mm deep, 16/20 bladed REGULAR spokes, 1750g, IME nearly bombproof, 100% satisfaction guarantee (i.e. if something goes wrong they get replaced)…oh, and only $170 for the set.

http://www.performancebike.com/bikes/Product_10052_10551_1034381_-1_1511003_1511000_400038

Then, buy a wheelcover from wheelbuilder.com for the rear wheel for your tri events.

There…you’re all set and at less than half of the low end of your budget…bang for the buck, baby! :wink:

yep, the cosmic carbones. A lot less than the zipp or hed sets, and they are very durable. Then, you can get a wheelcover for it, and have a disc for only around $100 more!

you can get used for well under 800 and new for around 1K or 1100 or so… seen them on ebay and here.

i got a good deal on a set of flashpoint60s (58mm rim) that i run all the time on my roadie. certainly not the lightest, but they are aero - plus i like the look of it. i have the clinchers, they have an aluminum brake track, and they seem to be very sturdy (based on these wheels, plus prior experience w/ zipps).

ksyriums are probably lighter, and also great wheels (i also have a set of these). I don’t find them as stiff (read: fast/responsive), but they are super comfy.

good luck

+1 for Mavic Cosmic Carbones. I have a set and it is fantastic: aero, great bearings, bombproof. The slightly higher weight in the 1700g+ range is a non-issue for me. I wouldn’t worry about the spokes. I weigh as much as you, ride them on all sorts of pothole-strewn roads here in Maine, and I’ve never had any issues (after three years the wheels have yet to come out of true). Lots of folks race cyclocross on them without any problems. Mavic has been making these for, what, a decade now? All bugs have been caught and sorted out, we’re left with a polished wheel. You mention you can get a used pair for $675 locally. I’d urge you to surf the web a bit. For $50-80 more you can get them new (old stock). Check out sites such as xxcycle.com, totalcycling.com, qbike.com, etc. (The USD is rising against the Euro thanks to the Greek crisis, so these wheels are getting cheaper if you are in the U.S. looking to purchase from a French or British retailer.)

You may also want to look at Neuvation wheels - great value and customer service.

I’ll second the vote for the Forte Titans, they ride like the old Rolf Vector Comps. I am 190 and ride about 100 a week no problems after over 2000 miles on mine.
I just recommend when you buy them new regrease the bearings right away, as they never put enough grease in new wheels.

+2 on the cosmic carbones. I just got a new P2 last week and bought these for it. It’s a great all around wheel for training and I’ll put a disk on the back for races. There are many things that make these wheels great, one of which I just learned is the simple bearing adjustment. If the hub is ever a little loose you can use the included bearing adjustment tool (fits in your saddle bag) for on the fly tweaks.

I bought mine from my LBS for much less than MSRP but more than on-line or used. I paid a little more for two reasons - I like the LBS and want to support them ($50-100 won’t kill me and the sale will help them). Also, be careful if you buy used or from a source that is not an authorized dealer b/c you void the warranty (xxcycle is an example). I’m debating the MP3 program which is basically an extended warranty - even if you run over the wheels with your car they’ll replace them. I hate extended warranties which is why I didn’t pull the trigger on that.

Oh, and re: weight, the new carbones are under 1750 grams, which is on par with any set of zipp, hed, etc. Keep in mind though the cover will add 400g.

i’ve got a pair of the '08 Real Design version of the fp60 which is actually a bit lighter(~1650gms, website changed recently, so i can’t get the exact weights) - Real will have new Supersonics(50mm)this summer some time which are not based off the old Zipp molds, while the 58mm Zipp rims graduate to their Ultrasonic range. anyway, these rims are tough, pretty comfortable, and if you can get up above 20-21mph, really hold their speed well.

http://www.real-wheels.com/

once you get these, you’re only a wheel-cover away from a race-ready wheelset.

my only wish is that there be a powertap option…

i got a good deal on a set of flashpoint60s (58mm rim) that i run all the time on my roadie. certainly not the lightest, but they are aero - plus i like the look of it. i have the clinchers, they have an aluminum brake track, and they seem to be very sturdy (based on these wheels, plus prior experience w/ zipps).

ksyriums are probably lighter, and also great wheels (i also have a set of these). I don’t find them as stiff (read: fast/responsive), but they are super comfy.

good luck

I have the ultrasonic 40’s and 60’s which I actually feel faster on then with the fp60’s. Might only be in my head though.

Cosmic Carbone, i had the same debate last month, got the carbones and i love them.

How about the Neuvation C50. They look pretty cool to me. I have a set of Zipp 303 rims built up by Neuvation, and the wheels are awesome. Definitely recommended, and they have great customer service.

Mavic makes a nice wheel and those would be hard to beat at $675. The only draw-back of the carbon fairing wheels is the extra weight over a tubular and in some cases you lose the aero advantage of the curved brake track (e.g., Stingers and some Zipps) . A set of HED Jet 60s are what I am contemplating for a “do everything” wheel, The C2 rim is a nice idea for a 23c tire, but good luck finding a set for 675$.

My experience with light clinchers is that the durability suffers. I have some FSAs and the rear will not stay true and I already dented the front. Totally worthless in under 1000 miles.

Set of Mavic Aksiums plus a wheelcover maybe = under budget and pretty solid and aero.

I can’t help with the wheel decision but I have to say…

Awesome job on losing that weight!! Way to go!

i’ve got a pair of the '08 Real Design version of the fp60 which is actually a bit lighter(~1650gms, website changed recently, so i can’t get the exact weights) - Real will have new Supersonics(50mm)this summer some time which are not based off the old Zipp molds, while the 58mm Zipp rims graduate to their Ultrasonic range. anyway, these rims are tough, pretty comfortable, and if you can get up above 20-21mph, really hold their speed well.

http://www.real-wheels.com/

once you get these, you’re only a wheel-cover away from a race-ready wheelset.

my only wish is that there be a powertap option…

i got a good deal on a set of flashpoint60s (58mm rim) that i run all the time on my roadie. certainly not the lightest, but they are aero - plus i like the look of it. i have the clinchers, they have an aluminum brake track, and they seem to be very sturdy (based on these wheels, plus prior experience w/ zipps).

ksyriums are probably lighter, and also great wheels (i also have a set of these). I don’t find them as stiff (read: fast/responsive), but they are super comfy.

good luck

I’ve got the Real Design Supersonic 60’s also. I throw them on in the spring and dont take them off until it’s time to hit the trainer in the winter.

I wanted to post quickly to say thanks for all of the responses thus far. It seems like the Cosmic Carbones are a well-liked option, especially when a disc cover is added to the rear for tri events. I will look around for some deals as I’m sure they are out there to be found.

Of course the FlashPoint and Real Design seem like decent options, too. If any pop up for sale at a good price I will certainly consider them.

And Rob, thanks for the note. Looking back losing 50 pounds that quickly was one of the best things I’ve ever accomplished. My only regret is not doing it sooner. I’m thrilled to be back on the bike and really looking forward to my first tri.

Brian

I have Kinlin XR300s with DT Swiss 240s hubs and aerolite spokes and I like them a lot. I weigh between 175-180 lbs and ride 20 spokes in front and 24 in back. I have put around 4000 miles on these wheels without truing them. I like the stiff and light feel of these wheels a lot. I think I paid somewhere around $700 for them. Bottom line: I would absolutely recommend these wheels to anybody looking for a solid set of training wheels in this price range.

I was having the EXACT same debate you are having right now. I was initially settled on the Carbones but am now seriously considering the new Zipp 101s. Have a look at them (though they are a touch over your budget ~$1100).