It’s fair to see any of the actions of any of the players as part of a long chain of things that happened beforehand. However, our attacks earlier this spring weren’t retaliatory. We weren’t responding to a specific event or set of events. We initiated a conflict. Some think that initiation was justified and others don’t, but we and Israel initiated it from a status quo of mostly non-conflict. Iran’s closure of the Strait was a predictable, and in fact predicted, response to the level of action we took. Those here and elsewhere who are trying to paint that closure as purely the fault of Iran are simply incorrect.
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I’m not sure ‘precise’ is the right word - remember the school bombing on day 1?
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That seems to me to go both ways. The POTUS FAFO and now the rest of the world is literally paying the price for it and will continue to do so for quite a while.
That’s a better assessment. I didn’t get the impression this thread is blaming Iran, most posters just aren’t acknowledging any the contribution of any events before Feb 28th.
No not irrational at all, and it’s necessary to remind ourselves how we got here. We aren’t paying $6 a gallon at Costco because Feb 28.
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Harming third parties and not the “attacking” party is not retaliation
If you don’t see the harm that is being done to us, then you’re not paying close/any attention.
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That’s quite the stretch.
I assume DSW is referencing the 1906 Persian constitution that established a parliament and prime minister and the 1953 coup that was the result of MI6’s Operation Boot and the CIA’s Operation Ajax to install a government that would give UK/USA oil companies more profit.
Not sure if you saying that, because you didn’t like the Iranian election, that then you are in favor of foreign meddling, but the point is Mosaddegh was elected by the Iranian people, yet he was overthrown by foreign actors (the usa and UK).
So maybe you think that if the usa does not like Canadian elections, we then have the right to remove any old Canadian elected leader and send over our drunk superstar Kash Patel to rule Canada instead?
From Google AI:
Iran’s elections are not considered free or democratic by international standards because they lack competition, transparency, and fairness, operating under a strict theocratic framework that ensures only candidates approved by the unelected Guardian Council can run. The supreme leader holds ultimate power, and the vetting system systematically excludes dissenters, resulting in an “electoral autocracy”
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Yeah, that’s the ticket.
Because relying on A.I. means garbage in = garbage out.
I am talking about the US removal of Iran’s leader in 1953.
Ok, quick question, who do you think was on this “unelected guardian council” when Mosaddegh was elected?
Answering that question is kinda important here, because you appear to be confused.
Well that serves me right for posting before coffee. My apologies for the confusion.
They were; it was just all moved into another thread which doesn’t get any views 
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There are multiple threads on this conflict. This one had been primarily focused on the impact of fuel prices and international market pressures.
There are other threads in the Coffee Room and Politics room where other aspects of the conflict including the various roles of all parties concerned over history have been discussed at length.
Yeah, big shocker, banning folks wily-nily from forums tends to kill engagement …
The Iran War thread in the Politics room has almost 3 times as many views and replies as this thread, and about the same number as the Iran War (Non-Political) thread. Engagement seems ok.
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Gas prices at my go-to Exxon here in central NJ hit $4.39 yesterday (up from $3.89 a week or so ago).
Before the war it was around $2.86.
So up about 50%. But my IRA is going gangbusters!