The election has happened.
Trump is refusing to leave office, and directing federal agencies to continue with his administrations budgets through February.
When do the people start protesting a leader who refuses to give up power?
The election has happened.
Trump is refusing to leave office, and directing federal agencies to continue with his administrations budgets through February.
When do the people start protesting a leader who refuses to give up power?
After they have had all the recounts and he has exhausted all legal remedies available to him or any other person running in an election. That includes the Supreme Court weighing in. That is how we do things in the US of A.
Cool your jets with the protest talk. Your a few weeks or a month or so early.
They’ve got not one, but two, scheduled for Saturday in DC.
I think that is when the riots start.
I think the protests start way before that. I think large scale protests start during the weekend. People in the USA protest because they are told to wear a mask. Lets dont pretend we need a SC decision for large scale protesting. I am not sure what the SC decision was for the million man march or the womans march or millions of other marches that have taken place.
The election has happened.
Trump is refusing to leave office, and directing federal agencies to continue with his administrations budgets through February.
When do the people start protesting a leader who refuses to give up power?
After they have had all the recounts and he has exhausted all legal remedies available to him or any other person running in an election. That includes the Supreme Court weighing in. That is how we do things in the US of A.
Cool your jets with the protest talk. Your a few weeks or a month or so early.
We have never done it this way in the modern US of A and no modern President has demanded we do it this way. There aren’t enough votes in dispute to change the result in any state. For a recount to flip the result in any state it would need to reveal unprecedented fraud of which there is no evidence. People are right to be jittery. I don’t think there’s any real risk but I’m often wrong. I give it a week.
The 9/11 commission specifically faulted the slow handover in 2000 for gaps in our intelligence. And there was a legitimate reason for it in that election.
I don’t know when the protests need to start but it’s really irritating and exhausting already on day 4.
They really don’t. People might meet in mass but it won’t really mean anything. Everyone is going to go to brunch because Trump doesn’t have a leg to stand on.
I think that is when the riots start.
I think the protests start way before that. I think large scale protests start during the weekend.
Childish idiots who don’t want to count every vote I guess. As a guy that voted for Biden and surely believe he won, I have no problem with a person exercising their rights under the law to challenge an election. Trying to fast track it and take away his rights is unamerican.
Let him get his day in court, let him bring forth what he can ( won’t be anything there), let the Court’s rule and THEN lets move on. Some people just like to protest and need to find a more productive way to spend their weekends.
Some people just like to protest and need to find a more productive way to spend their weekends.
And hence my question. When do the protests start. Not when should the protests start.
The election has happened.
Trump is refusing to leave office, and directing federal agencies to continue with his administrations budgets through February.
When do the people start protesting a leader who refuses to give up power?
After they have had all the recounts and he has exhausted all legal remedies available to him or any other person running in an election. That includes the Supreme Court weighing in. That is how we do things in the US of A.
Cool your jets with the protest talk. Your a few weeks or a month or so early.
We have never done it this way in the modern US of A and no modern President has demanded we do it this way. There aren’t enough votes in dispute to change the result in any state. For a recount to flip the result in any state it would need to reveal unprecedented fraud of which there is no evidence. People are right to be jittery. I don’t think there’s any real risk but I’m often wrong. I give it a week.
The 9/11 commission specifically faulted the slow handover in 2000 for gaps in our intelligence. And there was a legitimate reason for it in that election.
if trump has a legal right to challenge I support that and I anticipate you and everyone else would to. The RIGHT to challenge it and go through the process says nothing about the merits of the challenge. The MERITs have to be determined by the proper party ( I assume a judge here). That is how our system works.
As for evidence, I have seen comments the Trump group has over 300 affidavits from witnesses and now has voting machines they can prove were programmed to place votes for Biden. At a minimum, 300 witnesses need to be heard.
We are not making this up as we go along. We have courts, judges, processes and election laws. Let the process work.
Some people just like to protest and need to find a more productive way to spend their weekends.
And hence my question. When do the protests start. Not when should the protests start.
did they ever stop? Aren’t people still tearing the shit out of Portland for some reason as we speak? I think ANTIFA just spray painted a Biden office yesterday. https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2020/nov/9/antifa-demonstrators-vandalize-democratic-office-p/
The question of when protest start is (since time began)
I think that is when the riots start.
I think the protests start way before that. I think large scale protests start during the weekend.
Childish idiots who don’t want to count every vote I guess. As a guy that voted for Biden and surely believe he won, I have no problem with a person exercising their rights under the law to challenge an election. Trying to fast track it and take away his rights is unamerican.
Let him get his day in court, let him bring forth what he can ( won’t be anything there), let the Court’s rule and THEN lets move on. Some people just like to protest and need to find a more productive way to spend their weekends.
I thought Republicans wanted to stop counting the votes?
Which is it, stop the count or count the votes?
I think that is when the riots start.
I think the protests start way before that. I think large scale protests start during the weekend.
Childish idiots who don’t want to count every vote I guess. As a guy that voted for Biden and surely believe he won, I have no problem with a person exercising their rights under the law to challenge an election. Trying to fast track it and take away his rights is unamerican.
Let him get his day in court, let him bring forth what he can ( won’t be anything there), let the Court’s rule and THEN lets move on. Some people just like to protest and need to find a more productive way to spend their weekends.
I agree with this, and hopefully SCOTUS rulings will lead Trump supporters to accept the results and stop their silly tantrums, and then Trump concedes and we all move forward.
Hopefully…
The election has happened.
Trump is refusing to leave office, and directing federal agencies to continue with his administrations budgets through February.
When do the people start protesting a leader who refuses to give up power?
After they have had all the recounts and he has exhausted all legal remedies available to him or any other person running in an election. That includes the Supreme Court weighing in. That is how we do things in the US of A.
Cool your jets with the protest talk. Your a few weeks or a month or so early.
We have never done it this way in the modern US of A and no modern President has demanded we do it this way. There aren’t enough votes in dispute to change the result in any state. For a recount to flip the result in any state it would need to reveal unprecedented fraud of which there is no evidence. People are right to be jittery. I don’t think there’s any real risk but I’m often wrong. I give it a week.
The 9/11 commission specifically faulted the slow handover in 2000 for gaps in our intelligence. And there was a legitimate reason for it in that election.
if trump has a legal right to challenge I support that and I anticipate you and everyone else would to. The RIGHT to challenge it and go through the process says nothing about the merits of the challenge. The MERITs have to be determined by the proper party ( I assume a judge here). That is how our system works.
As for evidence, I have seen comments the Trump group has over 300 affidavits from witnesses and now has voting machines they can prove were programmed to place votes for Biden. At a minimum, 300 witnesses need to be heard.
We are not making this up as we go along. We have courts, judges, processes and election laws. Let the process work.
We’re really not in disagreement. Someone’s getting sworn in on 1/21 and if Trump wants to litigate through midnight on 1/20 - and can find enough dummies to fund him - so be it. Every legal vote should count, every illegal vote should be identified and the perpetrator punished. But none of the foregoing warrants delaying the enormous administrative process of allowing Biden to set up his administration. If something comes to light on 1/20 that flips the result on its head we can unravel everything I’m sure. Refusing to start the process when the overall outcome is beyond dispute is churlish at best and downright dangerous at worst. I don’t think (probably) outgoing POTUS’ should be able to endanger our national security to avoid confronting (almost certain) reality. There may come a point when I feel I need to protest Trump doing so. All ok with you?
As for evidence, I have seen comments the Trump group has over 300 affidavits from witnesses and now has voting machines they can prove were programmed to place votes for Biden. At a minimum, 300 witnesses need to be heard.
We are not making this up as we go along. We have courts, judges, processes and election laws. Let the process work.
You’ve seen comments?
If there were any voting machines that were tampered with, they’d have been produced, independently analyzed, and put on display for the world to see. Why has that not happened? Because such machines don’t exist.
…I have seen comments…
Well that settles it then.
Nobody is saying he doesn’t have the right to verify the election was legit but it sure would be nice if he could do it with trying to undermine the election process. If he has evidence of fraud there is no need for this PR blitz. Get his day in court, present the evidence he seems so sure of and celebrate four more years. That clearly isn’t what’s going on here.
Someone’s getting sworn in on 1/21 and if Trump wants to litigate through midnight on 1/20 - and can find enough dummies to fund him - so be it.
I dont think this is the case. I think litigation somewhat has to be chosen before the electors cast their votes.(I think this was somewhat the holding in Bush v. Gore. If a recount couldnt be completed in that time there was an equal protection clause argument that the entire state’s people wouldn’t have a say in the president).
Refusing to start the process when the overall outcome is beyond dispute is churlish at best and downright dangerous at worst.
Agreed. People wouldnt be protesting just the obviously upcoming battle but the lack of norms for an incoming president.
Also if there were all these issues with the voting, WHY WHY WHY didnt these people come forward when the voting was actually occurring? Also, while trump is entitled to his day in court, people are not entitled to frivolous law suits.
The election has happened.
Trump is refusing to leave office, and directing federal agencies to continue with his administrations budgets through February.
When do the people start protesting a leader who refuses to give up power?
Please don’t promote this… it’s exactly what they want.
They’ve got not one, but two, scheduled for Saturday in DC.
Last weekends street dance-a-thons outnumbered any assclown protests and rallies that will ever take place. The Trumpettes need to get with the program and learn how to do the electric slide.
The election has happened.
Trump is refusing to leave office, and directing federal agencies to continue with his administrations budgets through February.
When do the people start protesting a leader who refuses to give up power?
After they have had all the recounts and he has exhausted all legal remedies available to him or any other person running in an election. That includes the Supreme Court weighing in. That is how we do things in the US of A.
Cool your jets with the protest talk. Your a few weeks or a month or so early.
We have never done it this way in the modern US of A and no modern President has demanded we do it this way. There aren’t enough votes in dispute to change the result in any state. For a recount to flip the result in any state it would need to reveal unprecedented fraud of which there is no evidence. People are right to be jittery. I don’t think there’s any real risk but I’m often wrong. I give it a week.
The 9/11 commission specifically faulted the slow handover in 2000 for gaps in our intelligence. And there was a legitimate reason for it in that election.
if trump has a legal right to challenge I support that and I anticipate you and everyone else would to. The RIGHT to challenge it and go through the process says nothing about the merits of the challenge. The MERITs have to be determined by the proper party ( I assume a judge here). That is how our system works.
As for evidence, I have seen comments the Trump group has over 300 affidavits from witnesses and now has voting machines they can prove were programmed to place votes for Biden. At a minimum, 300 witnesses need to be heard.
We are not making this up as we go along. We have courts, judges, processes and election laws. Let the process work.
We’re really not in disagreement. Someone’s getting sworn in on 1/21 and if Trump wants to litigate through midnight on 1/20 - and can find enough dummies to fund him - so be it. Every legal vote should count, every illegal vote should be identified and the perpetrator punished. But none of the foregoing warrants delaying the enormous administrative process of allowing Biden to set up his administration. If something comes to light on 1/20 that flips the result on its head we can unravel everything I’m sure. Refusing to start the process when the overall outcome is beyond dispute is churlish at best and downright dangerous at worst. I don’t think (probably) outgoing POTUS’ should be able to endanger our national security to avoid confronting (almost certain) reality. There may come a point when I feel I need to protest Trump doing so. All ok with you?
Feel free to stand on street corners with signs saying “Trump should CONCEDE” all weekend if it makes you feel better. All good with me. I think I may be on the golf course or heading to the lake but to each his own.
I don’t have concerns about the transition or the timing of it. Biden knows what he is doing and so do all of his staff. They have been there for years and he was VP for 8. He knows the drill and can get up to speed . I would like to see the SC get the case by mid December at least so we can get a resolution but they don’t take my calls.