Looking to upgrade my wheels and deciding if I go with hookless (locking myself into tubeless) or I stick with latex tubes and clinchers?
I ride tubeless on my gravel bike and am comfortable with installing / maintenance, so no issue there.
I ride latex tubes on my race bike and have always done so.
School me on which is faster =)
Just because you go hookless, doesn’t mean you have to go tubeless. You can still run a tube in TLR wheel and tire.
If you take the same wheel and tire setup, there is no difference crr wise between a latex tube and tubeless.
Looking to upgrade my wheels and deciding if I go with hookless (locking myself into tubeless) or I stick with latex tubes and clinchers?
I ride tubeless on my gravel bike and am comfortable with installing / maintenance, so no issue there.
I ride latex tubes on my race bike and have always done so.
School me on which is faster =)
Or you can go with hooked wheels that support tubeless. I’d pick based on bike usage. Most hookless wheels at this point trend towards the all-road or gravel category - shallower rim depths and wider internal width.
“Or you can go with hooked wheels that support tubeless.”
Bingo!
Check out Reynolds wheels. They are compatible with clincher and tubeless tires.
Why would I run latex tubes over tubeless?
Seems ride quality would be better on tubeless, less flats and I could stop buying $15 tubes
Why would tubeless tires have better ride quality?
“Or you can go with hooked wheels that support tubeless.”
Bingo!
Check out Reynolds wheels. They are compatible with clincher and tubeless tires.
This is exactly what I did. Reynolds AR58X/62X, which is a hooked design, with GP5K tubeless. The fronts were a little harder than a standard tire, so I used a tire jack to get the last little bit on. The rears went on completely by hand.
These wheels went on my road bike. I’m still running latex tubes on my tri bike race wheels, although I’m thinking about switching those over to tubeless as well. Literally every flat I’ve seen during my group rides over the last few months would have been non issues if those riders were tubeless.
Would you say ride quality is equal?
I would think at same PSI it would be equal and at less PSI it’s better
But I’m not certain? What do you think
Non-tubeless tires + latex tubes are currently faster than tubeless tires w/o tubes. This is because the casing of the tubeless tire is less supple than a std tire can be.
Technology is improving, so tubeless may eventually catch up; but for now a GP5000 with latex runs faster than a tubeless GP5000. Additionally, there are faster TT tires (ex. Conti Supersonics) that are not available in tubeless.
Non-tubeless tires + latex tubes are currently faster than tubeless tires w/o tubes. This is because the casing of the tubeless tire is less supple than a std tire can be.
Technology is improving, so tubeless may eventually catch up; but for now a GP5000 with latex runs faster than a tubeless GP5000. Additionally, there are faster TT tires (ex. Conti Supersonics) that are not available in tubeless.
Thanks for feedback. This is for road race bike, not TT. Altho I still ride GP5000 on my TT =)
Technology is improving, so tubeless may eventually catch up; .
It’s already caught up. Tubeless tires all over the list of fastest tires, including second place. (and I’m not sure I’d run Veloflex records on the road)
These are all using latex tubes, but you could run any of the tubeless versions tubeless with presumably no loss in efficiency.
Why would I run latex tubes over tubeless?
Seems ride quality would be better on tubeless, less flats and I could stop buying $15 tubes
There are pros and cons to both. But I don’t think you can go wrong with either as long as you select the right tire and are confident in the setup.
Looking to upgrade my wheels and deciding if I go with hookless (locking myself into tubeless) or I stick with latex tubes and clinchers?
I ride tubeless on my gravel bike and am comfortable with installing / maintenance, so no issue there.
I ride latex tubes on my race bike and have always done so.
School me on which is faster =)
each has a layer of latex holding the air in…
Technology is improving, so tubeless may eventually catch up; .
It’s already caught up. Tubeless tires all over the list of fastest tires, including second place. (and I’m not sure I’d run Veloflex records on the road)
These are all using latex tubes, but you could run any of the tubeless versions tubeless with presumably no loss in efficiency.
Whoa. Where did that Veloflex come from?
Whoa. Where did that Veloflex come from?
Where have you been? We’ve already got some guinea pigs trying them out to see if they’ll survive on the road. Since they’re apparently condom-thin.
Whoa. Where did that Veloflex come from?
Where have you been? We’ve already got some guinea pigs trying them out to see if they’ll survive on the road. Since they’re apparently condom-thin.
Uhhh, maybe you’ve heard of a little thing called homeschooling?
Makes the Vittoria Corsa Speed even more impressive. They’ve been bombproof for me with hundreds of miles on all sorts of roads.
Non-tubeless tires + latex tubes are currently faster than tubeless tires w/o tubes. This is because the casing of the tubeless tire is less supple than a std tire can be.
Technology is improving, so tubeless may eventually catch up; but for now a GP5000 with latex runs faster than a tubeless GP5000. Additionally, there are faster TT tires (ex. Conti Supersonics) that are not available in tubeless.
Do you have a source for the GP5K + latex being faster than GP5K tubeless? I ask because these are the two configurations I run and I still haven’t decided which one is a better fit for me. Per the bike rolling resistance web site, I understood that GP5K tubeless was faster than GP5K non-tubeless due to lower rolling resistance.
Non-tubeless tires + latex tubes are currently faster than tubeless tires w/o tubes. This is because the casing of the tubeless tire is less supple than a std tire can be.
Technology is improving, so tubeless may eventually catch up; but for now a GP5000 with latex runs faster than a tubeless GP5000. Additionally, there are faster TT tires (ex. Conti Supersonics) that are not available in tubeless.
Do you have a source for the GP5K + latex being faster than GP5K tubeless? I ask because these are the two configurations I run and I still haven’t decided which one is a better fit for me. Per the bike rolling resistance web site, I understood that GP5K tubeless was faster than GP5K non-tubeless due to lower rolling resistance.
Look at the chart above. The GP5K non tubeless was tested with a latex tube. The BRR website tests with butyl tubes.
Look at the chart above. The GP5K non tubeless was tested with a latex tube. The BRR website tests with butyl tubes.
It should be noted it’s barely faster. ~1.3W for a pair of wheels at 45kph. Which is fast. So under a Watt difference for most conditions outside of a really fast TT.
But for a really fast TT, it’s better to use the Corsa Speed, Record, or Supersonic anyway.
Non-tubeless tires + latex tubes are currently faster than tubeless tires w/o tubes. This is because the casing of the tubeless tire is less supple than a std tire can be.
Technology is improving, so tubeless may eventually catch up; but for now a GP5000 with latex runs faster than a tubeless GP5000. Additionally, there are faster TT tires (ex. Conti Supersonics) that are not available in tubeless.
Do you have a source for the GP5K + latex being faster than GP5K tubeless? I ask because these are the two configurations I run and I still haven’t decided which one is a better fit for me. Per the bike rolling resistance web site, I understood that GP5K tubeless was faster than GP5K non-tubeless due to lower rolling resistance.
BRR does indeed give a fractional edge to the TL https://www.bicyclerollingresistance.com/road-bike-reviews/compare/continental-grand-prix-5000-2018-vs-continental-grand-prix-5000-latex-tube-vs-continental-grand-prix-5000-tl-2018
However the aerocoach chart posted by trail says differently. likely some test protocol variations… notably BRR uses michelin latex tubes whereas i think aerocoach use vittoria which are considered to be a bit faster (can’t remember the source for that and not sure if there is a puncture protection tradeoff)… aerocoach is 45km/h whereas BRR is 28.8km/h - which is more typical for you? not a lot in it either way though really, probably better to focus on the latex vs tubless pros and cons as they affect you.