Where does your body fat come from?
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Maltodextrin has a very neutral (non-sweet, slightly creamy) taste, so you can swap it in for some of the sugar 1:1 to lessen the sweetness without changing the amount of carbs.
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De novo lipogenesis.
- You can fiddle with the recipe or just HTFU and try to get used to the taste. It wasn’t great at first but now I find it totally neutral (with a 10-15% sugar concentration in the bottle).
- Juices with strong taste, like various berry juices, have worked for me in the past as taste enhancers (important to change the taste significantly with only a small amount of juice).
- Cane sugar tastes a bit better than white sugar. I trained and raced on cane sugar the entire season last year.
- Since discovering that powdered sugar is a lot easier to dissolve, and it’s 100% white unfortunately, I use either cane or white powdered sugar depending on the concentration required (higher concentration = the convenience of using easily dissolving powder wins).
Nearly there! What do you eat for lipogenesis (de novo refers to coverting carbohydrates, is that what you meant?)?
Did you have any stomach issues? My ride this morning, i did 40 grams of cane sugar, 30 grams of fructose and half a teaspoon of pink sea salt. I went through 3 bottles over 2-1/2 hours of hills. Barely made it to the bathroom once i finished. Wife gave me more shit about my “homeade nutrition” lol.
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Nope. No difference to the gut what sort of sugar I use. But I’ve never had issues (in training or racing) with stuff wanting to prematurely leave the body through the back door.
Seems strange? That would be 20g:50g (1:1.4) glucose:fructose. Which is backwards from ideal (between 1:1 and 2:1).
Some people do have gastric issues with excess “fructose”.
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Are you in the USA or elsewhere? I’m only asking because in the USA powdered sugar has some cornstarch (or tapioca starch) as an anti-caking agent.
It appears i still don’t understand then. I thought it was a gram on the scale was a gram of carb in the bottle. Meaning one gram of fructose was 1 gram of carb. So i thought i was roughly a 1:.75 glucose:fructose ratio
Yes, a gram of dry sugar (any sugar) is a gram of carbs. But, cane-sugar is sucrose. Sucrose is a molecule that is made of 1 part glucose, and 1 part fructose. Your stomach acid will separate the glucose and fructose before absorption.
So, 40g of cane-sugar = 20g glucose and 20g fructose. Ideally you want equal parts glucose and fructose, or perhaps a little more glucose that fructose. That’s because each has a separate pathway into the body. So, having both allows for higher total absorption that one or the other. That said, fructose still has to be processed into something else before it can be utilized for metabolism (mostly glucose by the liver).
You are adding extra fructose with your formula.
40g Sucrose + 30g fructose = 20g glucose + 50g fructose
In all likelihood your small intestines couldn’t absorb all the extra fructose, and it eventually caused your gastric upset (aka tummy trouble 
).
If you are using cane-sugar you don’t need or want any extra fructose. You can add a little extra glucose in the form of maltodextrine, or regular corn syrup, as glucose is typically absorbed a little more efficiently that fructose.
But, you don’t want to add more than 50% of the cane-sugar weight again as malto-dextrine:
40g sucrose + 20g maltodextrine = 40g glucose + 20g fructose
Ie, a maximum of 2:1 ratio of glucose to fructose. Dr Alex would keep that ratio closer to 1.25:1 (or 1:0.8)…or about 10% extra malto-dextrine.
40g sucrose + 5g maltodextrine = 25g glucose + 20g fructose
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Thanks for the explanation. I’m going to try again tomorrow with another ride and a different ratio.
Good luck!
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Ditch the fructose and just use sugar and you’ll be fine
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I get my glycogen from gluconeogenesis.
I don’t need to have a ‘sugar fuel recipe’, given fat adaptation.
Your erroneous point that its cheaper to have sugar vs. whatever steak I’m eating isn’t valid when I’m not having steak during the race for fuelling.
You know being fasted is a thing right? What’s the cost of fasted vs. cost of sugar? Go run those numbers and get back to me “nearly there”.
I use straight sugar and straight table salt
And, back to square one. Such hopes, dashed.
May as well say that the sugar doesn’t cost me anything either because the bag is already right there in the pantry. It doesn’t cost anything to scoop the sugar into the bottle.
Or, if I drink my whole bottle before the race, the cost doesn’t count.
Sorry, it’s hard to think of something appropriate to analogize to your statements.
My argument is that money is fungible, so what you spend on the calories you use to stay in energy balance is the same, regardless of when you consume the calories.
Gawd, there I go explaining the joke.
Anyway, in times of uncertainty, I applaud your self-belief. I’m sure it’s taken you exactly to where you are.
Unfortunately, I won’t interact with people who make me over-explain, so I’m putting you on ignore. Have a nice day 
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EU here. Never thought to consider powdered sugar might contain anything other than sugar! Now that I’ve googled it, the products sold here can contain various additives that prevent bricking, such as starch, silicon dioxide, glucose or fructose.
In the US superfine sugar has no additives. In the UK that’s the same as caster sugar. Not sure about the EU.
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Because your premise is flawed.
Of course money is fungible. I got it. Missing the context, of we’re talking specific race fuelling required here. I’m having that steak, whatever regardless of the race. Living my existence.
We can assume old mate is doing the exact same; but he’s not fat adapted… so he needs to add in his sugar fuel recipe (costs). I don’t. Is that so hard to understand?
Know what a counterfactual is? Have a nice day 
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