Just wondering what is the swimming and cycling equivalent of a 16minutes 5k on the track?
That wil be tough to compare since I have yet to do an accurately marked swim course in a triathlon.
That wil be tough to compare since I have yet to do an accurately marked swim course in a triathlon.
Yeah most tris are run on a track so there is no way you could measure something like this in a pool.
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17 minute 1500 and 52 minute 40k.
I’d say 58 for 40K and 19 for 1500M.
It’s going to be different for everyone though. I came from a running background, so sub-16 was no problem, but I’ve never swam under 22. I’m sure there are swimmers who can go well under 19 for the swim, but haven’t run sub-18 for 5k.
I know the 400 meter run is very close to the 100 yard free.
17 minute 1500 and 52 minute 40k.
You must have running…
I think a LCM 1500 is an equivalent race to 5k on the track, I would say a 20k TT is a better metric for cycling. I generally think 1 mile swim = 4 mile run = 16 mile bike in terms of effort level (this is consistent with the Toyota Cup Challenge Points). The current world records in the 5000 run and 1500 m swim are 12:51 and 14:34, respectively. So assuming the ratios hold a 16 min 5k is equal to a 18:08 1500 m swim. A bit harder to say on the bike.
I guess a better way to serve up the question is…what percentile of your age group can do a 16 min 5K and then take that same percentile and look at their times for the swim and the bike.
The current world records in the 5000 run and 1500 m swim are 12:51 and 14:34, respectively. So assuming the ratios hold a 16 min 5k is equal to a 18:08 1500 m swim. A bit harder to say on the bike.
Current WR for the 5k in 12:37, not 12:51.
I think I would agree with the Sub 56 min 50k and Sub 19 minute 1500m swim. Consideraly above average, but by no means great
I guess a better way to serve up the question is…what percentile of your age group can do a 16 min 5K and then take that same percentile and look at their times for the swim and the bike.
That doesn’t make sense - bet there’s an interaction effect between run, swim, and bike times. A 16 min 5k runner isn’t necessarily going to be good at swimming and vice versa. You need to look at data from single-sport athletes.
You have your populations and samples confused. For a 16 min 5k, the population is runners since I don’t know a whole lot of people who are running a 16 min 5k off the bike. Find the percentile rank of runners who can run 16 min for a 5k. Then find swim data (USS and USA swimming are probably best, though that won’t include college) and see what swim time is the same percentile.
I could get really statistically complicated here but that’s probably accurate enough for your purposes.
The OP is a very good question I get the feeling that people are not really getting it
I think what the OP is asking is if you can Run a 16 min 5km that puts you as an ability X runner what would be the equivalent time and ability X swimmer would do 750 m and how fast would and ability X cyclist do 20 km TT no mention here of running off the bike and stuff
So if you can run 16 min 5 km how fast should you be able to ride 20 km to say you are just as strong a runner as you are a cyclist.
I would really love to know if there is an answer to this.
I know looking at you AG rankings in every leg is an indicator but its not ideal.
Based on what RFXCRunnre said about the world record 5K, I would add 3.5 minutes to the world record 1500M swim, giving you roughly 18:00 for a 1500 meeter swim as the equivalent.
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I think I would agree with the Sub 56 min 50k and Sub 19 minute 1500m swim. Consideraly above average, but by no means great
For adult swimmers, going 18:59 is nothing special. Hell, going 18:00 is nothing special. Since I’m not a runner though, it’s hard to tell if 16:00 for a 5k is anything special. To get an idea of what I mean, the time standard for a 1500 for Ontario junior provincial champs for 14-year-olds is 18:15. 19 minutes isn’t even above average for 14-year-olds, though it may be for triathletes.
Another way to look at it: Canada’s national qualifying standard for a track 5k is 14:25. The short-course 1500 national standard is 16:06. Keeping the ratios the same, that gives 17:52 for an equivalent 1500, which is about what the world-record calculation gave us.
So if these calculations are correct, would I be accurate in saying a 16:00 5k runner isn’t anything too special? They might final (but not win) at fairly big (interregional or province) events, but aren’t hauling home truckloads of medals.
For adult swimmers, going 18:59 is nothing special. Hell, going 18:00 is nothing special.
I just pulled up the USMS 1500 m free top 10 list for LCM last year. Here are the no. of swimmers going sub 18:
M18-24: 1
M30-34: 1
M35-39: 1
M40-44: 1
M45-49: 1
W18-24: 1
W30-34: 1
So 7 USMS swimmers last year did a sub 18 1500 LCM swim. I would say accomplishing that is a bit harder than no big deal.
At the tail end of my pro tri career, in the same week, I ran a 15:58 on the track and swam a 17:00 1650y.
For adult swimmers, going 18:59 is nothing special. Hell, going 18:00 is nothing special.
I just pulled up the USMS 1500 m free top 10 list for LCM last year. Here are the no. of swimmers going sub 18:
M18-24: 1
M30-34: 1
M35-39: 1
M40-44: 1
M45-49: 1
W18-24: 1
W30-34: 1
So 7 USMS swimmers last year did a sub 18 1500 LCM swim. I would say accomplishing that is a bit harder than no big deal.
This is why I love slowtwich. You say something stupid, you get called out on it and you get called out on it with solid data 
Okay, since you want data…
The all time top 100 800 meter swims for 13-14 year old boys can be found here: http://www.usaswimming.org/_Rainbow/Documents/ba3c7473-0583-45ae-bca0-ee06177cd1d5/1314_boys_lcm.pdf
The slowest time on that list is a 16:29.
Going sub 18 as a 13 year old is nothing special. Going sub 18 as an adult…also not special.
I know the 400 meter run is very close to the 100 yard free.
Whoa there. You’re going to need to quantify “very close”. My times differ by 10+ seconds in those events, that doesn’t sound “very close” to me.
You are correct in saying a 16 min 5k isn’t anything special, especially if you are talking about the elites. Although for most it is a very good time, there are plenty of high schoolers who can run sub 16 for 5k