What Do We Do With The Alleged Idaho Muderer/Kidnapper/Child Molester?

Keep him alive to study him, or whack him as soon as the verdict’s in? (From the Associated Press)

 Idaho girl recounts a tale of horror at the hands of a stranger 

Wednesday, July 6, 2005

BY NICHOLAS K. GERANIOS
ASSOCIATED PRESS

COEUR D’ALENE, Idaho - Eight-year-old Shasta Groene said her nightmare began when she was awakened, tied up and carried with her 9-year-old brother to a waiting pickup truck.

Police said that by the time her ordeal ended six weeks later, Shasta would be repeatedly molested by a convicted sex offender and become the only apparent survivor of the five people in the home.

“This little girl really went through more than any little girl should ever have to think about,” Kootenai County Sheriff’s Capt. Ben Wolfinger said Tuesday.

Joseph Edward Duncan III, 42, of Fargo, N.D., a convicted sex offender on the run from an earlier child molestation count, was charged Tuesday in 1st District Court with two counts of first-degree kidnapping.

Darlene Torres, Shasta’s grandmother, said Duncan has no known connection to the family. “Nobody in the family has ever seen this man before. Ever,” Torres told CBS’ “The Early Show” Wednesday.

Misty Cooper, Shasta’s aunt, said Shasta “seems to be doing really good right now,” but that the family has not spoken to the girl about her ordeal.

“We just go on with every day, normal things,” Cooper said.

Shasta Groene’s statements to police place Duncan inside the rural home near here where the girl’s mother, older brother and mother’s boyfriend were bound and bludgeoned to death. Their bodies were found on May 16.

The tiny girl told authorities the man repeatedly molested her and her brother Dylan. Her ordeal finally ended Saturday morning when people at a Denny’s restaurant here recognized her and called police.

Her brother Dylan was presumed dead. A body believed by authorities to be that of the 9-year-old was found in western Montana and awaits positive identification.

The intent of the crimes, court documents said, was to rape, seriously injure or commit a lewd and lascivious act on a child under 16 years old. Duncan has not been charged with anything other than the kidnapping counts, which can carry the death penalty or life in prison.

“Shasta and Dylan were repeatedly molested,” Kootenai County Sheriff’s Sgt. Brad Maskell wrote in a terse, handwritten affidavit released Tuesday. “Shasta saw Mr. Duncan molest Dylan.”

While it is the Associated Press’ policy not to identify alleged victims of sexual assault in most cases, the search for the children and Shasta’s recovery were so heavily publicized that their names were already widely known.

The girl told Maskell she had never seen Duncan before.

She was awakened at her home and watched as her mother Brenda Groene, 13-year-old brother Slade and Mark McKenzie, her mother’s boyfriend, were tied up, the document said. She and Dylan were also bound and placed in the pickup truck. The children were later transferred to a stolen red Jeep and taken to the first of three campsites, she said.

The affidavit does not mention the beating deaths of the girl’s family or whether she witnessed the killings. It also did not say if she witnessed what happened to Dylan.

Shasta told officers that Duncan did not have an accomplice. Despite her statement, investigators were still trying to determine if Duncan acted alone, Wolfinger said.

Duncan was shackled and appeared unshaven and choked up as he quietly answered Magistrate Judge Scott Wayman during a brief appearance Tuesday via video link.

Duncan had spent more than a decade in prison for sexually assaulting a 14-year-old boy at gunpoint in Tacoma, Wash., and was a fugitive at the time of his arrest after he was charged with molesting a 6-year-old boy in Minnesota.

He was released on $15,000 bail earlier this year after being charged with molesting the boy. Police in Fargo, N.D., had been looking for Duncan since May, when he failed to check in with a probation agent.

“Really, is it possible not to be frustrated at the way events have unfolded in this case?” Fargo Police Chief Chris Magnus asked Tuesday at a news conference.

Duncan was described as relaxed and clean-cut when he stopped at a store in the western Montana logging community of St. Regis more than a month ago for gas and a 12-pack of Bud Light.

He chatted with attendant Jackie Allen for nearly 15 minutes, peppering her with questions about area parks and campgrounds and asking for directions to nearby communities.

Allen said she was “shocked and stunned” to learn that the man she said visited her store was Duncan. “I know people can fool you, but he was a really clean-cut and relaxed guy,” Allen said. “It’s just kind of shocked me. I still don’t know what to think.”

Like others in the timber town of about 300 near the Idaho line, Allen had been on the lookout for Dylan and Shasta since they were reported missing six weeks ago.

Posters with their photos hung in nearly every business in town. And though hundreds of tourists pass through every day en route to Glacier National Park, residents watched for any suspicious people or activities.

After Duncan’s arrest, business owners meticulously paged through fishing licenses and other records, checking to see if he’d stopped in their establishments.

“You hate for this kind of thing to happen anywhere, but especially for it to happen close to home,” said Laura Palmer, a St. Regis gift shop employee and longtime resident.

Associated Press writers Sarah Cooke in St. Regis, Mont., Christopher Smith in Boise, Idaho, and Dave Kolpack in Fargo, N.D., contributed to this report.

No question… send him to the middle east for torture then wack him!

M.E.'s too far. I think they’ve got an opening down at Gitmo Bay :wink: I like the whack part, though :-))

T.

You racist! You think it’s funny to impugn the reputations of hard working child molesters? You must be a Bush lover too since you clearly are a die hard death penalty monger. You’d probably pull the tube out if you tried to execute him and he was only put into a persistent vegitative state instead of kicking the bucket. Why is it impossible for you to acknowledge basic facts. Obviously you are all for invading every American’s privacy, even if it means searching his stolen Jeep in a public campground after apprehending him in the possession of a kidnapped child. I think I heard that the Patriot Act lets you do that. You are practically Satan himself. George Bush sucks ass!

Did I cover all the bases?

:wink:

Works for me :wink:

Buck Turgidson Kahuna.

SLOWLY torture and kill him…and let all of society see it…let them fear law and order.

Ouch!! Even I’m not that reactionary.

T.

Verdict?

Why wait for the verdict for this scum?

Automatic slow painful death penalty for child molestors. No trial, no appeal.

How about we realize the danger these people are and keep them in jail for the rest of their lives? What purpose does it serve to release these guys?

Did I cover all the bases?

You forgot global warming.

The man bought a 12-pack of Bud Light. That alone should have been enough to alert the clerk that he was a nefarious character.

Keep him alive to study him, or whack him as soon as the verdict’s in?

I’ve got a dollar I’d pay to get to smack him with a frame pump.

Come to think of it, I’ve got a nice oak mallet I’d pay another dollar to smack him with.

If we all did that, every time, this problem would be solved.

You molest a child, you get smacked by every parent, aunt, uncle, big sister, big brother, neighbor, school teacher, bus driver, camp counselor, janitor, pediatrician, obstetrician, technician, and mathematician until beaten to a pulp.

Prison? Bah. They let garbage like this out of prison.

Whewwwww! No question, if this guy did what’s alleged (by the girl and through forensics) he’s truly proven himself to be an evil, evil (how about evil with a capital ‘E’ Evil?) person. At least in my mind.

My question is, how do we as a society deal with the truly Evil? And is there such a thing as true ‘Evil’, or is evil just as banal and nondescript and nonexistent, for that matter, as many people seem to believe, nowadays?

T.

Just because evil is common – and it sure does seem to be – doesn’t diminish the horror. I’m one of those anti-death penalty gals, so life imprisonment works for me. None of these guys have it easy in prison and I don’t feel bad for a moment about that.

As an aside, that guy, along with Denver’s very own serial rapist (who was just sentenced to 1300 years in prison), inspired one of the worst nightmares I’ve had in a long time last night. Sort of a faceless guy chasing me around the house, while I desparately tried to call 911 and find a place for me and my kids to hide. I actually had to turn on the light and the TV at 3:30am. Of course, they were reporting the London bombing then, so that wasn’t much help.

Apparently it’s not as important as the marijuana problem in this country, based on recent Bush announcements.

Why does Dubya always have to get interjected into the conversation, even a metaphysical one?

Sighhhhhhh…

T.

You’re right but since some crazies in the triathlon forum keep injecting politics into those threads, figured might as well bring it where it belongs.

We spend more money and resources on drug enforcement in this country than we should. We have limited law enforcement resources. Keeping an eye on released pedophiles seems more important than me. That was my point. What we do with this guy - whatever the Idaho or federal laws that apply. What do we wish we could do - one strike and you’re out for pedophiles - life imprisonment since they seem to recommit crimes 100% of the time.

This is easy. Just let him into open population in the prison. The boyz will take care of him even before a trial. Huge cost savings to taxpayers.

You’re probably right.

This guy is as good as dead as soon as he sets foot in prison.

Child molestation is something that seems to rub even hardcore criminals the wrong way. Just ask Jeffery Dahmer. Oh, wait…

Problem is they will likely keep this guy in solitary to “protect” him. You realy know guys like this are the lowest human life forms when other voilent criminals want him dead rather than to associate with him in the same cafeteria line.