I just got this item:
https://ca.wahoofitness.com/wahoo-x-subscription
it seems that for one subscription you get the Wahoo Systm and RGT as one so bot training with the video option as well as the virtual riding option… sounds sort of interesting. Will it impact the massive lead and deep pockets of Zwift?
I just got this item:
https://ca.wahoofitness.com/wahoo-x-subscription
it seems that for one subscription you get the Wahoo Systm and RGT as one so bot training with the video option as well as the virtual riding option… sounds sort of interesting. Will it impact the massive lead and deep pockets of Zwift?
our take on this. well, not our take. just our announcement. we’re still ruminating. this was precisely the right acquisition partner. wahoo has enough money to make this work, and it has the right audience. tencent has way more money, but it doesn’t have the audience. garmin has a bigger audience, and the money, but it’s chosen not to be a virtual cycling content provider (tacx videos notwithstanding).
if RGT has a chance to compete with zwift, this is its best chance.
I read your link, but don’t see what tencnt has to do with this?
I don’t think it’s going to have that big of an impact.
I was talking this morning with a coach who has 3 other coaches in their group. Between all of us, which is > 60 athletes there was 1 person who used either GRT or SYSTM.
Outside of Zwift and maybe TR the cycling platform world seems small, very small, at least in my perception
I like what they have done. If they put some kind of training peaks-esk platfrom under the same subscription umberella they have everything you would need to race, train and socialise on line. You would never need to leave the wahoo-asphere - even slowtwitch could become and acquisition with a business model like that…
I like what they have done. If they put some kind of training peaks-esk platfrom under the same subscription umberella they have everything you would need to race, train and socialise on line.
No one, quite yet, has everything. But it’s getting close.
I think this puts more pressure on the alleged Zwift-TR flirtations. If Zwift acquires TR it’ll be the first ecosystem with everything (3D world for racing, good solo training, analytics, strong integration with outdoor riding, season planning, user community).
The TR pricetag (if those rumors are true) maybe just went up a little bit. 
Might consider giving it a shot. I’m waiting on the Zwift/Trainer Road merger or partnership. I think Zwift does this, it will stall out Wahoo X.
I read your link, but don’t see what tencnt has to do with this?
i was making a point. there are gaming companies who could buy this kind of property and have all the money and the coding resources in the world but don’t have the community. then there are entities that have communities - like garmin - that have the community, but don’t any significant background in virtual cycling. wahoo is one of the few entities who can make this work.
this acquisition is intriguing. much more so than the purchase of sufferfest. we’ll have more to write about this.
I’m a user of both Zwift (for my bread and butter Z2 stuff) and of SYSTEM (for harder workouts, strength, yoga) - so I guess I’d be the target here.
From what I understand RGT is relatively empty. Today I did a Zwift session on Makuri Islands (which wasn’t one of the guest worlds, but now you can select anything in the menu so I gave it a shot), and despite there being 300 people listed as “Zwifting” on Makuri, it felt empty. Other than badge hunting, I think I’m going to stick to Watopia and the rotating guest worlds - only so there are other people around. If RGT is going to be a Zwift competitor, they’re going to need orders of magnitude more users.
Makes me wonder about pro athletes who are sponsored by Wahoo but routinely post about Zwift. Will they migrate to RGT?
I don’t think it’s going to have that big of an impact.
I was talking this morning with a coach who has 3 other coaches in their group. Between all of us, which is > 60 athletes there was 1 person who used either GRT or SYSTM.
Outside of Zwift and maybe TR the cycling platform world seems small, very small, at least in my perception
That’s their loss - RGT is a really good platform and has had much better virtual physics than Zwift.
I don’t think it’s going to have that big of an impact.
I was talking this morning with a coach who has 3 other coaches in their group. Between all of us, which is > 60 athletes there was 1 person who used either GRT or SYSTM.
Outside of Zwift and maybe TR the cycling platform world seems small, very small, at least in my perception
That’s their loss - RGT is a really good platform and has had much better virtual physics than Zwift.
virtual physics in what way? i think rouvy has more realism than zwift, and zwift drives me crazy with the insane speeds of draft blobs.
looks like a good time for some content creator influencer to give and update rouvy - zwift - rgt - fulgaz.
annoyed with zwift that I couldnt load markuri islands since introduced. apparently they said my machine doesnt have enough RAM
Like Zwift Hardware the Wahoo software will have a long road to run before it is considered viable by most. However I love that Wahoo is matching the $14.99/month price tag AND offering a yearly subscription with a $50 discount! Can’t wait to see if this forces Zwift to up their game. I mean Zwift even killed off gift cards, has refused to do anything about family pricing or yearly subscriptions at a slightly reduced rate - like the majority of the subscription world.
virtual physics in what way?
In that RGT is quite representative of how a bike and a group behave in the real world. Zwift is frankly not.
Dan, I will wait for your complete opinion on this acquisition. In that, where is the market? Are we looking at two companies competing for the exact same market or is the market still on exponential growth? Also maybe look at the prospect that both of these brands are cycling focused and are both turning their attention to running.
virtual physics in what way?
In that RGT is quite representative of how a bike and a group behave in the real world. Zwift is frankly not.
I’ve accused zwift many times of pandering to its customers in this regard to make people happier than they would otherwise be with “reality”.
Reality if you look at outdoor rides on Strava is that almost nobody you follow ever breaks 20mph for a solo road bike ride that has any real hills at all. Nor do they TT at some obscene value. The local cat 4/5 crit or even cat 3’s are not averaging 30mph on a hilly crit loop. FWIW the pro/1/2 laps at an east coast velodrome crit was 30mph. No elevation on a velodrome and mega draft effect.
Those folks on Zwift love the fact they can circumvent reality when indoors. As outdoors, their group ride will NEVER average over 25mph for a century. They won’t even probably break 20.
That’s a huge draw for the indoor crowd, living out a fantasy.
virtual physics in what way?
In that RGT is quite representative of how a bike and a group behave in the real world. Zwift is frankly not.
I’ve accused zwift many times of pandering to its customers in this regard to make people happier than they would otherwise be with “reality”.
Reality if you look at outdoor rides on Strava is that almost nobody you follow ever breaks 20mph for a solo road bike ride that has any real hills at all. Nor do they TT at some obscene value. The local cat 4/5 crit or even cat 3’s are not averaging 30mph on a hilly crit loop. FWIW the pro/1/2 laps at an east coast velodrome crit was 30mph. No elevation on a velodrome and mega draft effect.
Those folks on Zwift love the fact they can circumvent reality when indoors. As outdoors, their group ride will NEVER average over 25mph for a century. They won’t even probably break 20.
That’s a huge draw for the indoor crowd, living out a fantasy.
Does it really matter that someone’s virtual kms aren’t the same as what they would have put down that day outside? Zwift is either a training/racing tool, or a gamified motivator - in both cases it really isn’t relevant if someone who normally does 30km/h on the flats is suddenly doing 34km/h.
That’s a huge draw for the indoor crowd, living out a fantasy.
I’ve never really noticed that “speed” might not be consistent, and have only looked at W, W/kg values for race forensics.
I do think Zwift caters a little bit to group riding by making emphasizing the value of drafting. Solo breakaways are hard in real life, but nearly impossible in Zwift on a flatter course.
virtual physics in what way?
In that RGT is quite representative of how a bike and a group behave in the real world. Zwift is frankly not.
I’ve accused zwift many times of pandering to its customers in this regard to make people happier than they would otherwise be with “reality”.
Reality if you look at outdoor rides on Strava is that almost nobody you follow ever breaks 20mph for a solo road bike ride that has any real hills at all. Nor do they TT at some obscene value. The local cat 4/5 crit or even cat 3’s are not averaging 30mph on a hilly crit loop. FWIW the pro/1/2 laps at an east coast velodrome crit was 30mph. No elevation on a velodrome and mega draft effect.
Those folks on Zwift love the fact they can circumvent reality when indoors. As outdoors, their group ride will NEVER average over 25mph for a century. They won’t even probably break 20.
That’s a huge draw for the indoor crowd, living out a fantasy.
Does it really matter that someone’s virtual kms aren’t the same as what they would have put down that day outside? Zwift is either a training/racing tool, or a gamified motivator - in both cases it really isn’t relevant if someone who normally does 30km/h on the flats is suddenly doing 34km/h.
I think it is important that the feel of the drafting and group behaviour is reflective of reality.
I’ve been in Sufferfest subscriber for a long time and tried it out RGT. I have also been subscribed to Zwift but I just canceled it. What I’m most looking forward to is RGT‘s Magic Roads or whatever they call it, where you can submit your own actual course and then have it available to ride virtually.