Vittoria Open Corsa Evo SC vs Evo CX?

The advertising says the SC is an “enhanced” version of the CX with input from their professional riders, yada, yada, yada… but they don’t give a whole lot of info on what, exactly has been “enhanced”. The two tires are the same weight, the same 320TPI casing, basically all of the same technologies. The only difference I can see is the natural latex sidewalls on the SC.

What I’d really like to know is does the SC roll as fast as the CX? Does it sacrifice anything in the way of durability?

I kinda like the old-school look of the natural sidewalls. So, if the SC don’t give up any performance to the CX, I wouldn’t mind spending a couple extra bucks to get a more distinctive-looking tire.

Any input?

Thanks.

I have the sc. Do not know why they would be slower. Same price as the cx where I buy at $56.00

or 62.50 with free shipping and tubes
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The advertising says the SC is an “enhanced” version of the CX with input from their professional riders, yada, yada, yada… but they don’t give a whole lot of info on what, exactly has been “enhanced”. The two tires are the same weight, the same 320TPI casing, basically all of the same technologies. The only difference I can see is the natural latex sidewalls on the SC.

What I’d really like to know is does the SC roll as fast as the CX? Does it sacrifice anything in the way of durability?

I kinda like the old-school look of the natural sidewalls. So, if the SC don’t give up any performance to the CX, I wouldn’t mind spending a couple extra bucks to get a more distinctive-looking tire.

Any input?

Thanks.

i’ve ridden both, extensively. i haven’t done any Crr tests but – totally unscientifically – i did not notice any changes in speed on the bike.

anyway, i find them similar in longevity and puncture resistance.

i like the tread pattern on the SC a bit more for mixed conditions and in the wet, though neither is my primary choice for riding exclusively in wet conditions.

i find cornering slightly better on the SC.

the evo slick is the way to go.

http://forum.slowtwitch.com/gforum.cgi?post=3723279;search_string=;#3723279

the evo slick is the way to go.

http://forum.slowtwitch.com/...rch_string=;#3723279

not everyone wants a slick!

the puncture resistance of that tire may leave something to be desired.

The part that worries me about the Slick is that they advertise it as a tire that’s best for dry condition and known good roads. I don’t want to have to swap tires race morning because it rained overnight/is raining, and the roads I race on aren’t necessarily always “known good”.

Speaking of which…

I’m not always the best about swapping tires - especially on my PowerTap wheel. (My front is a race-only wheel.) How do the SC/CX fair as an everyday tire? For reference, I’ve been using the Michelin Pro2/Pro3 Race as an everyday tire, and haven’t had any issues with flats or durability (ie. wear).

From Sheldon Brown\
Tread for on-road use
Bicycle tyres for on-road use have no need of any sort of tread features; in fact, the best road tyres are perfectly smooth, with no tread at all!
Unfortunately, most people assume that a smooth tyre will be slippery, so this type of tyre is difficult to sell to unsophisticated cyclists. Most tyre makers cater to this by putting a very fine pattern on their tyres, mainly for cosmetic and marketing reasons. If you examine a section of asphalt or concrete, you’ll see that the texture of the road itself is much “knobbier” than the tread features of a good-quality road tyre. Since the tyre is flexible, even a slick tyre deforms as it comes into contact with the pavement, acquiring the shape of the pavement texture, only while in contact with the road.
People ask, “But don’t slick tyres get slippery on wet roads, or worse yet, wet metal features such as expansion joints, paint stripes, or railroad tracks?” The answer is, yes, they do. So do tyres with tread. All tyres are slippery in these conditions. Tread features make no improvement in this.

http://sheldonbrown.com/tyres.html

From Sheldon Brown\
Tread for on-road use
Bicycle tyres for on-road use have no need of any sort of tread features; in fact, the best road tyres are perfectly smooth, with no tread at all!
Unfortunately, most people assume that a smooth tyre will be slippery, so this type of tyre is difficult to sell to unsophisticated cyclists. Most tyre makers cater to this by putting a very fine pattern on their tyres, mainly for cosmetic and marketing reasons. If you examine a section of asphalt or concrete, you’ll see that the texture of the road itself is much “knobbier” than the tread features of a good-quality road tyre. Since the tyre is flexible, even a slick tyre deforms as it comes into contact with the pavement, acquiring the shape of the pavement texture, only while in contact with the road.
People ask, “But don’t slick tyres get slippery on wet roads, or worse yet, wet metal features such as expansion joints, paint stripes, or railroad tracks?” The answer is, yes, they do. So do tyres with tread. All tyres are slippery in these conditions. Tread features make no improvement in this.

http://sheldonbrown.com/tyres.html

That’s all fine & dandy, but when the people that make the tires in question specifically say that one tire outperforms another in certain conditions, I have a tendency to believe them.

I wouldn’t hold religiously to that tendency.

That’s all fine & dandy, but when the people that make the tires in question specifically say that one tire outperforms another in certain conditions, I have a tendency to believe them.

the evo slick is the way to go.

http://forum.slowtwitch.com/...rch_string=;#3723279

not everyone wants a slick!

the puncture resistance of that tire may leave something to be desired.

not true at all. quite the opposite actually.

the evo slick is the way to go.

http://forum.slowtwitch.com/...rch_string=;#3723279

not everyone wants a slick!

the puncture resistance of that tire may leave something to be desired.

not true at all. quite the opposite actually.

have you used all the tires in question? you didn’t mention this, so i’m not sure where you’re coming from.

in any event, my own experience with the 3 tires (which admittedly is anecdotal) is that the slicks did not wear as well on my real, local roads. also, handling was superior on the CX & SC line-up, with the SCs best in handling (these are small margins, but small differences are notable on descents at 50+mph). i routinely test handling of tires on a mountain pass outside my front door, where it is not unusual to hit speeds in the low-50s.

From Sheldon Brown\
Tread for on-road use
Bicycle tyres for on-road use have no need of any sort of tread features; in fact, the best road tyres are perfectly smooth, with no tread at all!
Unfortunately, most people assume that a smooth tyre will be slippery, so this type of tyre is difficult to sell to unsophisticated cyclists. Most tyre makers cater to this by putting a very fine pattern on their tyres, mainly for cosmetic and marketing reasons. If you examine a section of asphalt or concrete, you’ll see that the texture of the road itself is much “knobbier” than the tread features of a good-quality road tyre. Since the tyre is flexible, even a slick tyre deforms as it comes into contact with the pavement, acquiring the shape of the pavement texture, only while in contact with the road.
People ask, “But don’t slick tyres get slippery on wet roads, or worse yet, wet metal features such as expansion joints, paint stripes, or railroad tracks?” The answer is, yes, they do. So do tyres with tread. All tyres are slippery in these conditions. Tread features make no improvement in this.

http://sheldonbrown.com/tyres.html

vittoria notes their slicks are best for “smooth, clean surfaces”, and in my experience they are wonderful in that application. unfortunately, the roads i ride and race on are rarely as “smooth and clean” as these tires seem to prefer. i find the CX & SC better for my local roads.

http://www.vittoria.com/en/product/cotton-tires/#product-58

Could you please comment on the suitability of the SC/CX as an everyday training tire? I’m specifically interested in flat protection and durability of tread. A comparison to something like the Michelin Pro2/Pro3 in this regard would be great.

Thanks.

Could you please comment on the suitability of the SC/CX as an everyday training tire? I’m specifically interested in flat protection and durability of tread. A comparison to something like the Michelin Pro2/Pro3 in this regard would be great.

Thanks.

i can absolutely comment on that (from one man’s perspective), as i have been riding the corsa series as everyday tires since mid-2008. i’ve tried other tires, but i always come back to the corsas.

i find the ride quality to be fantastic. it was good with the 290tpi series and slightly better with the 320tpi versions. i ride mainly rural roads, so there is chip seal of varying quality, cattle guards, and the like. there is some road debris, but it tends not to be as much as one might find in an urban area. one of my favorite 50-mile loops involves 1.5 miles of dirt and gravel at >=20mph.

first off: these are not tires that will last forever. you have to realize they offer AMAZING ride quality, but it is at a cost: longevity. i’ve ridden tires that have serious puncture protection, but they are no fun (for me) to ride. my opinion is that life is too short to ride poor rubber, and (this could be blasphemy!) i feel that tires may be the single component that most impacts the quality of one’s ride – maybe even moreso than a frame selection.

in any event, when viewed in that context, the tires do great on smooth roads and the roughest chip seal. under mostly dry conditions (i tend to ride the pave when it is wet), i find that i get about 1,500 miles for the rear tire and around 2,500-3,000 on the front. i ride about 1,000 miles a month, and this observation has been formed over riding them the last 4 seasons. that is NOT a huge amount of miles.

occasionally, i can get more miles out of them. what i have found is that once i get a flat, it is time to toss the tire (assuming it’s not some aberration like a nail in the first 5 miles of riding). i RARELY have flats – very rarely. when i get a flat, it’s a sign the tire is done. if i ignore this rule, i will surely get 1 or more additional flats in the next 50-100 miles.

last summer, i inadvertently forgot this rule. i got a flat while riding and repaired it. for years i’d been following the “toss it” rule. the next day, i forgot about it and did a 45-mile loop without incident. the day after that i set out for an FTP test and got a flat in the first 5’ of the interval. i repaired the flat, then decided to repeat the test. BOOM! another flat. had to abort the test and head home. (i later went out and did the test on a new tire.)

so…if you can afford the tires and know that they will only be good for ~1,500 miles in the rear, then i’d say get them. if you ride in particularly crappy and/or wet conditions, it might be worth sacrificing ride quality and getting something else with a BETTER puncture resistant belt.

however, if you value ride quality above all else, give these a shot. i’d recommend starting with the CX or SC. i actually prefer the CX styling, but i like the cornering of the SC a little bit better.

hope this helps.

ps the MSRP on these tires is really, really high, but i often find excellent deals. a little patience goes a long way.

I also have ridden all the tires in question.

Tetonrider has it right. The CX & SC are great for an everyday tire…with the caveat that you’re not going to get 4000 miles out of them.

Some people would prefer to ride solid rubber as a “practical” solution to the daily grind. I’m not that guy…I’ll spend the money for the tires and enjoy the ride, and replace them when they start to get worn. I go through 2 sets a year. Some people think I’m crazy. But I really like the tire. The CX is the one I always end up on. Comes in some cool colors, too.

When people that make somethig say something, sometimes, just sometimes, its called marketing
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Maybe you should reply to one of the two posters on this thread that have actually tried all three tires and agree with the “marketing”.

I have heard many many people think tread matters…Ok. I replied to your post. Sorry, Will never post to your questions again. …Simply gave you a link to well rspected site. Sorry again, Will not post again and wase your time.Have a great day

That’s all fine & dandy, but when the people that make the tires in question specifically say that one tire outperforms another in certain conditions, I have a tendency to believe them.

That would be called marketing! Why sell you one tire for all conditions when I can tell you that you need a different tire for different conditions and sell you six :slight_smile: