I’m a little surprised that there hasn’t been more discussion here of Vengegaard’s incredible ride in the TDF’s Stage 16 TT.
For what it’s worth, these are the tires he used - the not yet available Vittoria Corsa Pro Speed TLR 26mm
I’m a little surprised that there hasn’t been more discussion here of Vengegaard’s incredible ride in the TDF’s Stage 16 TT.
For what it’s worth, these are the tires he used - the not yet available Vittoria Corsa Pro Speed TLR 26mm
as you might recall, vittoria is in the middle of a revamp of its top end tires. it started with the N.EXT, which is a rock solid, bulletproof tire that is in my wife’s road bike. then, more for us all for racing purposes, came the corso pro and the corsa pro control. the corsa pro is what’s getting ridden on the road stages. the corsa pro control is what is supposed to be ridden in the cobbled classics, but in fact it’s just the (faster) corsa pro that’s getting ridden in paris roubaix and the like.
i’m riding the pro control now on my road bike and i find it a really nice tire. but it’s got an extra layer of flat protection. yes, it’s of course predictable that a corsa pro speed would come next but if i did know about it i couldn’t tell you because it would (presumably) be under embargo. but if you see it in a race it’s fair game to talk about what you see 
i don’t know if you’ve noticed, or thought about it, but i think i’ve noticed a conspicuous lack of flats in racing this year and particularly in the TdF. i doubt the french are spending more time sweeping their streets. if in fact there are fewer flats i highly suspect you can thank tubeless for this. so when i say fewer flats i don’t necessarily mean fewer punctures, but fewer flats.
i don’t know if you’ve noticed, or thought about it, but i’ve noticed the conspicuous lack of flats in racing this year and particularly in the TdF.
You’re right about the TdF, except the tack sabotage on Stage 2.
What I have noticed is more riders riding out flats, rolling along waiting for their car or neutral support to get to them. That suggests that foam inserts are common given that the preponderance of teams are tubeless now.
i don’t know if you’ve noticed, or thought about it, but i’ve noticed the conspicuous lack of flats in racing this year and particularly in the TdF.
You’re right about the TdF, except the tack sabotage on Stage 2.
What I have noticed is more riders riding out flats, rolling along waiting for their car or neutral support to get to them. That suggests that foam inserts are common given that the preponderance of teams are tubeless now.
how many are using foam inserts, this i don’t know. the amount they slow you down would be extremely small, as they’re scrunched up in the well of the rim when the tire is pressured. a road tire is tricky to mount when an insert is in there. learned skill. but the riders in the tour wouldn’t care.
I’m a little surprised that there hasn’t been more discussion here of Vengegaard’s incredible ride in the TDF’s Stage 16 TT.
For what it’s worth, these are the tires he used - the not yet available Vittoria Corsa Pro Speed TLR 26mm
Are those TLR or tubular? I’m pretty sure I see basetape
I’m a little surprised that there hasn’t been more discussion here of Vengegaard’s incredible ride in the TDF’s Stage 16 TT.
For what it’s worth, these are the tires he used - the not yet available Vittoria Corsa Pro Speed TLR 26mm
Are those TLR or tubular? I’m pretty sure I see basetape
TLR. what you see is the bead. it’s kind of red/white/tan fleck and it looks like base tape. but it isn’t.
With that blood volume, he would win with Gatorskins. Dr. Ferrari would be proud.
Oh, they are so tricky
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FWIW- I have noticed more street sweepers in caravan and in between……
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With that blood volume, he would win with Gatorskins. Dr. Ferrari would be proud.
Oh look, a doping accusation.
With that blood volume, he would win with Gatorskins. Dr. Ferrari would be proud.
Just as expected, every single year around this time of the year. Common. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RsbW-c4lVwQ
With that blood volume, he would win with Gatorskins. Dr. Ferrari would be proud.
Just as expected, every single year around this time of the year. Common. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RsbW-c4lVwQ
I’ll pass on listening to Phil Gaimon on doping. Blew his credibility long ago.
With that blood volume, he would win with Gatorskins. Dr. Ferrari would be proud.
Just as expected, every single year around this time of the year. Common. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RsbW-c4lVwQ
I’ll pass on listening to Phil Gaimon on doping. Blew his credibility long ago.
Eh, I’m not a Gaimon fan and find him very annoying, but basically what he said in the video is that the time gaps were not that astounding if you consider Jonas’ small technical gains due to equipment and small gains due to better cornering, and add that to Tadej’s losses due to a bike change and accumulated fatigue. I didn’t watch to the end, but it seemed like he was saying that he doesn’t see any evidence of overt doping.
Eh, I’m not a Gaimon fan and find him very annoying, but basically what he said in the video is that the time gaps were not that astounding if you consider Jonas’ small technical gains due to equipment and small gains due to better cornering, and add that to Tadej’s losses due to a bike change and accumulated fatigue. I didn’t watch to the end, but it seemed like he was saying that he doesn’t see any evidence of overt doping.
OK, good! Thanks for the summary, I had the wrong take of it from the poster who posted the link. Gaimon has a way of blaming celebrity riders he doesn’t know of egregious doping conspiracy, while rationalizing for those he does now (Tom Danielson).
I fully admit I’m biased with Gaimon. He’s like one of 3 people I have blocked on Facebook, and the other two are Qanon nutters. 
Though I think it’s next to impossible to use performance alone as evidence of doping or cleanliness. Except for maybe W/kg durations that push past certain thresholds. And while both Pog and Venga are flirting with those thresholds, it’s not enough for me…
With that blood volume, he would win with Gatorskins. Dr. Ferrari would be proud.
Just as expected, every single year around this time of the year. Common. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RsbW-c4lVwQ
I’ll pass on listening to Phil Gaimon on doping. Blew his credibility long ago.
Eh, I’m not a Gaimon fan and find him very annoying, but basically what he said in the video is that the time gaps were not that astounding if you consider Jonas’ small technical gains due to equipment and small gains due to better cornering, and add that to Tadej’s losses due to a bike change and accumulated fatigue. I didn’t watch to the end, but it seemed like he was saying that he doesn’t see any evidence of overt doping.
I am in now way suggesting there was overt doping. I do think JV is better than anyone on many aspects
But the “equipment” and bike handling do not explain it all
Take Jonas. Give him a superhuman CDA, give him a perfect line, give him perfect conditions, consider he stayed aero at 24km/h and calculate the Watts to hit his time.
Compromise Tadej’s parameters, and Wout’s and Pello’s. Calculate their watts
3 of those riders show similar watts/kg. One is far above.
Now, how he got to that superior W/kg is another story. Altitude, nutrition…whatever, it’s all possible.
But this is not just about equipment, fit and handling skills
With that blood volume, he would win with Gatorskins. Dr. Ferrari would be proud.
Just as expected, every single year around this time of the year. Common. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RsbW-c4lVwQ
I’ll pass on listening to Phil Gaimon on doping. Blew his credibility long ago.
The guy with the single win as a pro rider, zero grand tour participations…and now that he is retired he is doing certain KOMs faster than many of the pros he could never beat when he was active? Yup, I will skip that one too.
Lots of accusations about Venga’s performance, and it is indeed a bit on the incredible side, but as the sport has showed us numerous time even if there is anything going on, we might never really know.
Back to topic: aren’t the corsa pros pretty much the same as the contis 5000s? interesting that Venga did not use the speeds as they are still Vittoria’s fastest tire.
This is the unreleased new version of the Speed if the labeling on the tire is to be believed.
I’m curious about the Control. The Corsa line has always felt very supple compared to GP5k/GP4k.
Does the Control maintain the great feel of the Pro or does the added protection make it harsher like the GP?
According to Felix Pouilly, a retired professional cyclist, and now triathlete, both TP and JV know something that others don’t. The difference of 5km/h in some climbs, relative to accomplished climbers like Pidcock are hard to believe. He then says, that it isn’t necessarily illegal. But I say if it where legal, I would be making a massive business of if it…
According to Felix Pouilly, a retired professional cyclist, and now triathlete, both TP and JV know something that others don’t. The difference of 5km/h in some climbs, relative to accomplished climbers like Pidcock are hard to believe. He then says, that it isn’t necessarily illegal. But I say if it where legal, I would be making a massive business of if it…
Do you have a link? I am struggling to read between the lines on this.