Usat rule on covering torso?

I just got this email from USAT.

“As we head into a busy race weekend, we would like to issue a reminder that this is a reminder that Triathlon Nationals is a National Championship event and racing with a bare torso is prohibited for all athletes in all races during the bike and run segments of the race, including the 7-12 Youth races.”

I knew that ironman had a rule on covering torso. However, I had no idea that usat had this rule. It’s not an issue for me, but my 11 year old son is racing youth race. He normally just races in a speedo and he doesn’t own a trisuit. I guess he’ll just wear a shirt but I think I remember an adult winning overall in a speedo a few years ago.

Boo! I’m not likely going to do another USAT nationals, but if they try to make that a rule for all USAT-sanctioned events I’d have to do some serious thinking about keeping my license. I assume there’s not an AG rule yet about how low the zipper can go on the torso?

I understand men wanting to wear a top for multiple reasons, but why punish men who enjoy racing without a shirt? If it’s to prevent others having to see “ugly” male torsos, isn’t USAT all about DEI these days? :slight_smile:

You might be thinking of Justin Lippert. He won in nothing but a speedo in 2019 I think.

The part I dislike about this is more that I’m sure that some will feel pressure right before the race to buy an expensive trisuit for themselves or kids for no reason.

I believe that you can wear a sports bra and be legal.

I’ve never fully understood this rule at either the IM or USAT level. Seems counter to the founding culture of triathlon and sort of prudish.

interesting… when you plan to regulate something it is important to be sure you have solid definitions, a torso by most dictionary and anatomy definitions is the body less head, legs, and arms, meaning then the only parts one can expose are those items… as I say interesting.

I’ve never fully understood this rule at either the IM or USAT level. Seems counter to the founding culture of triathlon and sort of prudish.

I believe it is from World Triathlon rules which are influenced by the Olympics, which are influenced by conservative countries.

but if they try to make that a rule for all USAT-sanctioned events…

AS far as I know, it’s okay to race with tri shorts only at USAT sanctioned race. I’ve asked referees so many times and I’ve been racing that way during summer time, so no need to worry.
I think a lot of spectators and media coverage at Nationals, so they don’t want athletes showing too much. That’s my guess.

but if they try to make that a rule for all USAT-sanctioned events…

AS far as I know, it’s okay to race with tri shorts only at USAT sanctioned race. I’ve asked referees so many times and I’ve been racing that way during summer time, so no need to worry.
I think a lot of spectators and media coverage at Nationals, so they don’t want athletes showing too much. That’s my guess.

You can stand next to the course in a speedo spectating, but can’t race in a speedo. Stupid.

Do the rules need to be different for pros vs AGs? I get the argument that you want to represent the sport to look positive and professional like other sports, but these races televise only the top 5 at most. It seems like a an 11 year old should be able to wear what ever they want. Running does this, some guy running a 4hr marathon can pin his number on his shorts and run shirtless, but the top pros are required to wear some kind of top

You might be thinking of Justin Lippert. He won in nothing but a speedo in 2019 I think. Yeah USAT just changed this rule. You can still wear a speedo in USAT certified races except for nationals now…

Do we live under fucking Sharia Law?

I was about to make my own thread on this when I saw this one was already started so figured I’d put it here. I was going to have that be the subject to get some clicks. Yes, hyperbolic I know, but I had a pithy line I was going to put that if WTC ever starts Ironman Iran, we could have a special local rule exception. But you know what, out of curiosity I looked it up - and under Sharia of course the woman have to be covered damn near head to toe - but for men they are only required to be covered from their navel to their knee! So even if we hold a race under the fucking Taliban, we’re still good shirtless! Just hike your shorts up a couple of inches or wear a race belt just over your waist and no DQ! But yet USAT in their infinite wisdom has joined WTC and ITU with the most ridiculous rule in the world.

This is just so unbelievably infuriating. As I commented on one post on social media about the whole “ZipperGate” deal with Matthew Sharpe who said Matthew should consider himself lucky as in some countries he could be arrested, I replied that in some countries you can be executed for being gay or practicing your religion. That doesn’t make it right. This is the most ridiculous rule in any sport on the planet and as a triathlete for nearly 40 years, I am so fucking embarrassed for my sport that Matthew did not stand on that podium and get the money and accolades he deserves. (I had no dog in that fight - to be honest I barely recognized his name when I saw the results)

There was one woman on this post who castigated Matthew for not knowing the rule, saying how could he not know it since it was illegal most everywhere, ITU, WTC, USAT, etc. I was going to respond by saying that at least the USAT isn’t so ass backwards, as I know I have always raced shirtless in USAT races since long before it was even called USAT, including at Nationals as recently as 2019. But just to be sure I wasn’t wrong, I checked the USAT rules and they now have made it illegal as well. Disgusting.

I read Tim Don’s comments on the ZipperGate matter and he was saying how the rule needed to be cleaned up, because either way at least he wasn’t exposing himself as we did in the old days. SO THE FUCK WHAT?

I have lived in the conservative midwest most of my life, and for a few years in the Bible Belt south in the '80s, and I am certain there is a not a place in this country where it is not 1000% acceptable for men to run shirtless in the summer heat, as I have done all my life. Hell even in Florida under Governor Draco there are men running shirtless everywhere. And those are on busy thoroughfares in front of the masses driving by, not on the mostly closed roads with mostly just fans or families of the athletes where triathlons take place.

Someone mentioned in a comment on here it was because of the Olympics because some conservative countries have influence. So what. People swim and dive shirtless in the Olympics, and I’m sure a couple of other sports that don’t come to mind now. And for fuck’s sake, if it’s about modesty it’s perfectly legal in triathlon for men to race in tiny little Speedos that show every outline of their junk, but Mercy Me they can’t show their nipples? What the fuck kind of logic is that?

And I’m quite certain there isn’t a running road race in this country where you can’t run shirtless - even in the huge big city marathons with millions of spectators and a television audience. And every race anywhere in the country in the summer heat there is a good chunk of the male field that races shirtless.

I know it may seem like a small point to some, but it is just so ridiculous and completely without logic that to me is just speaks to how out of touch with reality people running the sport are and it really is just an embarrassment to our sport. If any of you have friends that are competitive runners or swimmers - tell them about why Matthew Sharpe didn’t get paid for third place in Maine after that awesome performance and isn’t even listed in results and see what their reaction is.

Do we live under fucking Sharia Law?

We, the West, have our own long history of frustrating prudishness. No need to blame the Middle East on that one. For example Brandi Chastain-gate.

Trail - if you read my post (I know it was long so you might not have) I said I was being hyperbolic to make a point there. Basically the whole point of my post was criticizing the west (well, USAT specifically and triathlon in general) for their prudishness.

Trail - if you read my post (I know it was long so you might not have) I said I was being hyperbolic to make a point there. Basically my whole point of the post was criticizing the west (well, USAT specifically and triathlon in general) for their prudishness.

Fair point - it was a long post, though!

Guilty as charged. I tend to get very long winded when I get fired up. I had a lot of points to make and had to get them all in!

This is actually the pared down version. :slight_smile: I need to work on that as I know when I see a post that long I usually just move on to the next one.

It’s a USAT rule for Nationals and World Triathlon qualifying events only. They state that “cycling and running with a bare torso is prohibited. Athletes must wear a shirt, jersey, or sport top/sports bra at all times during the cycling and run segments of the race.”

2.2k here:

2023 USA Triathlon Multisport Competition Rules

This is a great situation for a peaceful protest. Every male removes or unzips their top before crossing the finish line prompting a 100% DQ rate.

It’s a recent change to align with ITU/WTS events. They were enforcing it in April at the Multisport Festival; the winner of the Aquathlon didn’t know the rule and ended up having to wear his swimskin during the run.

They did announce this change though, I was aware of it earlier this year and so were most of the folks I saw at the Multisport Nats. They aren’t enforcing it at regular events but I suppose a race director could if they wanted to.

I’ve never fully understood this rule at either the IM or USAT level. Seems counter to the founding culture of triathlon and sort of prudish.

I believe it is from World Triathlon rules which are influenced by the Olympics, which are influenced by conservative countries.

this rule is from ITU, when I studied the coach courses they defend this rule with this statements:

  • triathlon rules tried to be equal for men and women. Even if in practical it is not the same show the breast for men and women.
  • triathlon tries to be standard so that ads can be displayed in same places for athletes, and in fact, for pros, ITU rules says that the ziptie shall be in the back. And you have to displaye your family name… and other stupid things.

In Ironman some of these rules where more relaxed… but it is like no nudity in the transition area, to force you to left your helmet in the bag… and many others rules. That may be stupid for many.