UCI Illegal Frames, are they where the market is heading?

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Are UCI illegal bikes the next thing? Or do you still prefer to have the UCI sticker and option?

If a bike like the Culprit Legend, or Beam bikes like Dimond are proven faster in the tunnel. Will you jump on board or stick with a Cervelo P5-6 or other established brands in the market? What about the Felt IA vrs a Trek Speed Concept? Tri specific vrs UCI legal.

Do you want a bike like a Quintana Roo PR 6 which is fast in the tunnel and easy to travel with? When you buy a bike. Does ease of travel come to mind or is aerodynamic numbers the be all end all in your decision?

I’d love to hear what the ST community take is and what drives their next bike purchase.

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The tri market hasn’t cared about UCI stickers since they became a thing. The bike companies were the ones that needed to see the market increase enough to profit from bikes they can’t promote on the pro tour circuit in road cycling.

Only the rare few that race ITU worlds, draft legal or enter official TT events care about UCI legal.

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I think the market is already there!
Especially for companies who can’t afford to outdo the bigs in absolute wind tunnel numbers. Non UCI designs are a great way to differentiate, and to allow for better ironman storage needs.

4

I think comfort and ease of wrenching/traveling is the next frontier for tri bikes. Here are a few things I think would be good ideas:

Travel/Wrench ideas:
A front fork with a shape similar to the P5-6 fork without the brake in place and without the cover/nose cone shaped in such a way that a straight-pull front brake such as the Tri Rig Omega complements and blends in with the fork (doesn’t have to be that brake, just an illustrative example). This would make travel easier as I could just pop the brake cover, pull out the wedge, and have a lot more flexibility when packing my bike.A seat mast. I know it’s been done in the past and the industry has largely moved away from them but it would allow for cabling for the rear brake to go straight through the top-tube. There really is something to be said for having accessible and easy to adjust brakes.Standardize as many of the hex bits as you can even if that means some of them a grossly too big for their application. I don’t care about weight and it seems that concept is being embraced by the tri community gradually. In an idea scenario, I’d just need one small beam wrench for everything on the bike.
Comfort ideas:
More room for an even wider disc in the rear… and if the market doesn’t offer said wide disc, jump in. I’m thinking 28mm. The argument for narrow up front has a lot of merrit but I’d wager we could go wider in the rear without sacrificing aero so long as the frame was designed properly.Copy/license 3T’s new “pro comfort” series of seat post mounts. I don’t have any experience with them (yet) but I like the idea. Adding compliance could negatively affect handling but I’m sure a happy medium could be achieved. Remove the seat stays (as you have). This is really more of an aero thing, though, as I doubt you can safely allow the chain stays to deflect much. Through-axles similar to the Focus Mares with some sort of a tough polymer to isolate the wheel (this is a bit of a “wish” as it would require a bunch of bike and wheel brands to have some consensus)
Convenience ideas:
Really think about storage integration for long course. Trek and Specialized have knocked it out of the park in this regard. One idea I’d like to see is to build a bike in such a way that the backside of a kamm-profiled down is “open” thus creating a channel to easily route cables, and, importantly, route a drinking tube inside that channel from a frame mounted bottle much like the Speedfil frame mount… but aerodynamically optimized for the frame. The drinking tube would exit through a hole in the top tube. This would require significant reinforcement to the top tube and down tube but it should be doable. You could integrate hydration (40+ ounces) and a flat kit into something that fills a considerable amount of the frame while keeping weight where it should be: centered and low.
Edit: I’d just like to add that I like the design of your bike but the front brake puts it out of the running for me.

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My bike purchases are driven by style first, performance second and to my eye, the UCI bikes look better than the triathlon versions

triathlon bike

http://s7d5.scene7.com/is/image/Specialized/121575?$Hero$

UCI bike
http://cdn.mos.bikeradar.com/images/news/2013/09/24/1380117548815-x9sdxq2o9cwu-700-80.jpg
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I’m a lazy triathlete. Ease of travel and use is very important. Having 2 water bottle placements on the frame is a big deal. That’s one reason I really enjoy my QR Cd 0.1.

7

I’ve often heard that UCI-Illegal designs don’t offer any aero benefit over UCI Legal frames. Is there any truth to this?

8

I am still waiting to see a non UCI legal bike proven faster than the top “UCI Legal” frames. Until that happens it’s a moot point.

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I would not forget to add

  • value for money /aeroness
    -fit ( ie less long and low bikes nowadays )
    .
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I am still waiting to see a non UCI legal bike proven faster than the top “UCI Legal” frames. Until that happens it’s a moot point.

Speed concept with uci illegal draft box, probably faster for an ironman than speed concept without it.

P56 slightly faster than P5-3

Dimond tested faster than P5-3 in a wind tunnel

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I’ve often heard that UCI-Illegal designs don’t offer any aero benefit over UCI Legal frames. Is there any truth to this?

Old Shiv TT with the nosecone was faster. Very hard to find that bike now, as it has been out of production for a while.

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I am still waiting to see a non UCI legal bike proven faster than the top “UCI Legal” frames. Until that happens it’s a moot point.

Speed concept with uci illegal draft box, probably faster for an ironman than speed concept without it.

P56 slightly faster than P5-3

Well yes, technically. But that’s splitting some pretty fine hairs. I would say, “on the whole,” that the market is not demanding what UCI illegal (I mean in the sense that Culprit wants to hear) manufacturers are offering.

Dimond tested faster than P5-3 in a wind tunnel

Which tunnel and when?

13

Hmmm

Unless all of these bikes were tested in the same tunnel, with the same wheels and tires, I don’t know what to believe
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14

June 2014 at Faster
http://www.rustersports.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/DimondWindTunnelReport-11.14.2013.pdf

And yes the possible deficiencies of the protocol and tunnel have all been discussed here before =)
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I figured that was the response, ha.

16

I watched the growth and collapse of the local tri market around these parts over the past few years. 5 years ago you had to rush to get a spot at a Sprint, now it may sell out, but not until the night before. Yet the number of members of the biggest tri club are still up. They travel and do 1 WTC event a year. For them I suspect that a bike that was comfortable and was easy to dissasemble/reassemble would be the go to bike.

17

Let me answer your question with a question: Is it 2012 again?

18

I don’t think UCI has any relevance to the tri market. It would be interesting to conduct a survey at your local tri to see how many could even tell you what the UCI is or does.

I do believe that some tri bikes went too far on complexity and have dialed it back (e.g., Giant Advanced Trinity and original Trek SC). I used to travel with a Quintaroo CD01 and upgraded to a BMC TM01. The headset on the latter makes it slightly more complicated to travel with, but nothing major.

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While clearly culprit, and potentially alienating people for marketing/research on this forum, I applaud you for doing it in a reasonable manner. I mean, you mentioned other bike companies by name, didn’t slag them off and even showed pictures of them.

While I’m not a fan of marketing, I realize it’s a reality these days, and you did it in totally reasonable way.

I’ve never ridden or hell, even seen one of your bikes (I live in New Zealand), but keep up the good work. We need more manufacturers building bikes for us. Thanks

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I don’t think UCI has any relevance to the tri market. It would be interesting to conduct a survey at your local tri to see how many could even tell you what the UCI is or does.

I do believe that some tri bikes went too far on complexity and have dialed it back (e.g., Giant Advanced Trinity and original Trek SC). I used to travel with a Quintaroo CD01 and upgraded to a BMC TM01. The headset on the latter makes it slightly more complicated to travel with, but nothing major.

As was stated earlier, for a few small portion of the Tri market, folks who do worlds, it is a bid deal. To see folks bring non UCI bikes to Edmonton and try to get them into the race was interesting to watch.

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