Okay, I’ve seen all the debate on tubular vs. clincher tires…but what about tubular clinchers? Or are they clincher tubulars? Tufo makes some tubies that you can mount onto a clincher rim. Has anyone tried these? Any impressions? I’m thinking about them because I’m sick of pinch flats, but I can’t really afford to buy tubular wheels.
this is a completely honest question. How are you installing your tires that you are “tired” of pinch flats. I mean really, obviously something isn’t being put on right.
It will be interesting to see how the road tubeless will do also. Very few rims available for the tires at the moment so we will see if it catches on enough to go mainstream.
Clinchers get pinch flats. Tubulars don’t. That’s what I thought anyway. I know how to install the tires/tubes so I don’t think it’s user error.
well you’re correct… but if your getting pinch flats all the time i don’t think you are installing them right.
I have had in total 3 flats in the last 4 years. One was on the trainer?? no idea on that, and the other two i ran over glass or something and completely sliced the tire.
Im just saying something seems to be a miss.
Well often I get some other type of flat, and then the pressure drops, and then I go “oh I have a flat” and stop and fix it. And then I start riding and it goes flat again. Why? Because when the pressure lowered I got a pinch flat in addition to the original puncture. I wound up stranded once because I used up all my CO2 before finding all of the holes.
And then lately I have gotten a couple when bombing down a hill and hitting a bad bump on the IMMOO course. Right before Rt. KP. It’s not a faulty installation it’s just a really bad bump that bottoms out the tire and pisses me off. I’d rather not have to worry about it, and I definitely don’t want to race IMMOO on clinchers knowing about that spot.
Edit: I should add that I don’t get these things all the time. In fact I haven’t had a flat for like 2 years before this month. But this month I’ve had like 6 of them. In fact, as I sit here typing this at work, my bike is outside with a flat tire, discovered a few hours ago. I haven’t diagnosed the cause yet.
I haven’t personally used them, but it seems like you’d get all of the disadvantages of both without the advantages.
The tire is heavier then a standard clincher or tubie.
you still have to use a heavier clincher rim (compared to a tubie rim)
you still have to carry a full tire in case of a flat.
The only “plus” is that you don’t have to glue it, and you can mount it on the side of the road and don’t have to worry about it rolling off.
no idea about Crr, but it is a Tufo…
Yeah they do seem heavy…
Okay, I’ve seen all the debate on tubular vs. clincher tires…but what about tubular clinchers? Or are they clincher tubulars? Tufo makes some tubies that you can mount onto a clincher rim. Has anyone tried these? Any impressions? I’m thinking about them because I’m sick of pinch flats, but I can’t really afford to buy tubular wheels.
More like the worst of both worlds…
Oh yeah, tubulars “snakebite” flat too if you run with too low of pressure.
If I remember correctly, back in the early 80’s, Clement made a version of this concept called the 2001t. It was a really, really, bad tire. I would think that the rolling resi. would be rather high also with the Tufo. Unless there is very little seperation between the bead, and the other part of the tire. It would seem to ride like a badly glued tire, with a lot of flexing between the tire and the rim.
Steve
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It is the best of both worlds if they are Planet Sucktastic and Planet Shithole.
Bought some wheels from a guy once and he threw some of these in. I thought why the hell don’t I give them a try. First ride I kept wondering why my brake was rubbing when I knew it wasn’t.
Pulled the wheels off and the bearings spun smooth. It was like little tiny hands of Satan’s minions were grabbing the tire as it tried it’d damnedest to roll down the road.
That Fucking Bad. But go ahead, you may get one of their batches usually intended for SoPros with Compound HS.
Well at least there’s consensus here. Thanks for the reality check, ST.
It will be interesting to see how the road tubeless will do also. Very few rims available for the tires at the moment so we will see if it catches on enough to go mainstream.
Virtually any clincher rim can be used for the tubeless clinchers. Checkout: http://www.notubes.com/home.php
I have a pair of Mavic Ksyriums that I’ve been running tubeless for about a year now.
Discs and H3s are obvious choices to go tubeless with , since they have no spoke holes drilled.
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i have actually used them a few years ago thinking along the lines of the ‘best of both worlds’ as mentioned.
they were the ‘worst of both worlds’.
actually they weren’t *that *bad… 
but the do carry a lot of negatives…
you flat, you buy a new tyre!
PITA to get on… kills your thumbs
not a nice ride… from a purely subjective perspective they seemed mighty slow to me.
i think it is a nice idea… but one best avoided!
my recommendation… don’t go there.
I used them for cross, they are kind of heavy, ride a little like a garden hose, are a bear to mount and too bulky to carry a spare. You might be able to ride it better on a flat that a clincher, I never tried. It’s not a great solution. Tubulars and clinchers are good, if you are getting pinch flats a lot you need to use over 100psi every ride and learn to bunny hop or otherwise avoid potholes
Clinchers get pinch flats. Tubulars don’t. That’s what I thought anyway. I know how to install the tires/tubes so I don’t think it’s user error.
When the pros get all those flat tires during Paris-Roubaix, is it because 1) they are riding clinchers or b) tubulars get pinch flats or iii) there is a lot of glass on the cobbles in France?
(if you are getting “lots” of pinch flats, you don’t have sufficient pressure in your tires and/or you need to watch for road defects more carefully)
I’ll offer you a counterpoint.
I’ve been using them on a pair of wheels that I used for both training and racing. They may be heavier than a clincher, but are very competitive in weight to a clincher + tube…besides you can probably find a thread on the first page discussing how weight makes no difference in a time trial.
As for rolling resistance…tufos are known as poor rolling tires. If the concept were pulled off by Michelin or Vredestin everyone would love them!
Check out the rolling resistance numbers for tufos when you inflate them fully though…they get fairly respectable.
I raced mine at 200psi and they rolled quite well and quite fast, but that’s subjective of course. but it completely contradicts the accounts in this thread of people feeling like their brakes were on.
I also didn’t notice any trouble mounting them. It was fairly simple. And if I get a flat I remove the valve core and squeeze in the tufo sealant…haven’t needed to yet though.
In short, I like them. And I’ll continue to like them unless fixing a flat doesn’t work with the sealant and I get stuck.
All that said though…when faced with the fact of rolling resistance I am now racing on Michelin Pro Race 3 tires with latex tubes. I’ve relegated the Tufos to training right now.
I haven’t personally used them, but it seems like you’d get all of the disadvantages of both without the advantages.
The tire is heavier then a standard clincher or tubie.
you still have to use a heavier clincher rim (compared to a tubie rim)
you still have to carry a full tire in case of a flat.
The only “plus” is that you don’t have to glue it, and you can mount it on the side of the road and don’t have to worry about it rolling off.
no idea about Crr, but it is a Tufo…
Um…no.
I have Shamal “Two Way” and have ridden them both. I can not tell with a tube from with out when I ride, nor can I feel the weight.
You do not need to carry a “full tire” with the system, all you carry is a tube. If you cut the casing you can simply install a tube into the tire shell and off you go - just remove the tubeless valve stem (a PITA but not that bad) and you are off. I would NOT install Slime or other sealer into the tubeless system with out a tube as if it does not seal and you do need to install a tube it is a freaking mess.
At the end of the day, I only see that I dont need a rim strip on the wheel…the wheel requires a special tool to true (not like the prior Campy/Mavic/Bont and other wheels didnt). If there is a weight drop…a gram scale may know cause my hands dont.
You want a good training tire, then get em. Yeah they are heavy…blah blah blah. But they are durable. I haven’t ridden anything but tubular clinchers the past 4 yrs. now, with a total of about 4 flats since then.