Triathlon pay purse vs. other sports

It is easy to find criticism of the size of the pro purses at triathlon events. Both the overall size and the numbers of pros getting paid.
Here you have a list over how much cross country skiers have made after two weekends of racing. The numbers are low since the first weekend, the Kuusamos mini tour compressed three races into one payout. But as you can see, the season has not started properly yet but the payouts are a little higher than triathlon.

You would expect equipment bonuses to come on top of these numbers.

Men

  1. Martin Johnsurd Sundby, 34.500 CHF - 38,957 USD
  2. Maxim Vylegzhanin, 22.500 CHF - 24,842 USD
  3. Pål Golberg, 15.000 CHF - 16,938 USD
  4. Alexander Legkov, 13.000 CHF - 14,679 USD
  5. Maurice Manificat 10.875 CHF - 12,280 USD
  6. Alexey Poltoranin, 10.000 CHF - 11,292 USD
  7. Marcus Hellner, 7.750 CHF - 8,751 USD
  8. Noah Hoffman, 6.125 CHF - 6,916 USD
  9. Sergey Ustiugov, 5.625 CHF - 6,352 USD
  10. Lukas Bauer, 5.000 CHF - 5,646 USD
    http://data.fis-ski.com/pdf/2014/CC/2849/2014CC2849PR.pdf

Women

  1. Marit Bjørgen, 43.500 CHF - 49,119 USD
  2. Charlotte Kalla, 37.500 CHF - 42,344
  3. Justyna Kowalczyk, 32.875 CHF - 37,121 USD
  4. Therese Johaug, 20.000 CHF - 22,583
  5. Kikkan Randall, 8.625 CHF - 9,739 USD
  6. Yulia Tchekaleva, 4.750 CHF
  7. Denise Herrmann, 3.687 CHF
  8. Astrid Uhrenholdt Jacobsen, 3.375 CHF
  9. Heidi Weng, 2.625 CHF
  10. Sadie Bjornsen, 1.000 CHF
    http://data.fis-ski.com/pdf/2014/CC/2848/2014CC2848PR.pdf

Kevin Van Dam has won over $5 million dollars in pro bass tournaments and the endorsements are far more lucrative. Triathletes are underpaid.

How can you say they are under paid. They get paid what the market thinks they are worth.

How can you say they are under paid. They get paid what the market thinks they are worth.

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TV TV TV

Get tv involved in any sport and athletes will be getting paid. End of story

TV TV TV

Get tv involved in any sport and athletes will be getting paid. End of story

Truth.

And I believe you mean more than once a year on NBC and randomly on other assorted sports channels.

But none the less…truth

In Europe you will find endurance sports on TV all day in the weekends. They actually show the sport and not the life stories…

In Europe you will find endurance sports on TV all day in the weekends. They actually show the sport and not the life stories…

Nothing like a good Cricket match … to cure insomnia.

How can you say they are under paid. They get paid what the market thinks they are worth.

Yup. Who’s going to cough up the dough, and why? Why aren’t they already? And don’t raise my entry fees to cover it.

Seriously dude, you have been around here long enough to have seen the dozens of threads on this topic, yet you continue to post this rhetorical stuff.

How can you say they are under paid. They get paid what the market thinks they are worth.

This brings up a interesting question/topic. Perhaps there is an economist or lawyer who could shed some light on the specifics.
In a free market, supply and demand would determine pay and would thus be a good measure of value.
It might be argued, however, that professional triathlon is not a free market. I suspect that WTC would meet an economists definition of a monopoly that is abusing its’ market power, but would not be considered worthy of action by the FTC.
And WTC does a good job managing races.
Americans love there monopolies and think they are the product of a free market. Actually it is quite the opposite.

Unfortunately, I suspect free markets would not work to raise pro-pay anyway. People watch the sports they were brought up with, regardless of how stupid. And mass participation does not mean interest in the winners. More people know that Gordon Ramsey is a triathlete than know that Chris Maccormack is one also.
Maybe Brett Sutton is not quite as crazy as he seems.

One issue is do PROs actually drive more people to the sport. Would an Ironman sell out in 7 minutes if PROs didn’t race? Would people not buy cervelo unless a pro was on it?

I think pro’ s are more popular with people who are already committed to the sport. And where are those people going to go anyway?
Although they do spend a lot. And are not likely to ditch triathlon for cross-fit or the next fad.

TV TV TV

Get tv involved in any sport and athletes will be getting paid. End of story

Truth.

And I believe you mean more than once a year on NBC and randomly on other assorted sports channels.

But none the less…truth

NBC doesn’t show the pro race anyways - they show a special on Ironman about Kona and a few random people every year doing the event. This year showed more football on the broadcast than the swim (and more Ward than all the pros combined). Melbourne’s coverage in Australia is way better and showcases all the major pros (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CVnMFjBEdec)

One issue is do PROs actually drive more people to the sport. Would an Ironman sell out in 7 minutes if PROs didn’t race? Would people not buy cervelo unless a pro was on it?

I’ll have to take this on. I could not care less what pros sign up for a race. I’ve done the big, crowded race. I’ve no desire to relive it. If the pros are the reason for the crowds, I’d just as well they weren’t there. Don’t get me wrong, I also realize the sport exits in part because of the pros. As for the bike, I also don’t care who’s riding what. I have very nearly pulled the trigger on various lesser known brands (with no pro endorsement) and it had everything to do with warrantee and customer service at my LBS. I own a Cervelo P2 for these reasons. I could not tell you what pro rides one.

Maybe Brett Sutton is not quite as crazy as he seems.

Who is this Brett Sutton fella? Would someone mind starting a thread about him?

I think pro’ s are more popular with people who are already committed to the sport. And where are those people going to go anyway?
Although they do spend a lot. And are not likely to ditch triathlon for cross-fit or the next fad.

Yep. Until professional triathlon is a popular spectator sport with non-athletes professional triathletes aren’t really worth paying much. Major sponsor dollars and TV deals come from the ability to glue millions of eyeballs to the TV, not from athletic effort. Until a random person in the grocery store knows who Lieto is he doesn’t command big dollars for his races.

It might be argued, however, that professional triathlon is not a free market. I suspect that WTC would meet an economists definition of a monopoly that is abusing its’ market power, but would not be considered worthy of action by the FTC.
And WTC does a good job managing races.

If they have a trademark on a particular sport, then it seems like it is a monopoly on a product… just like a patent… that doesn’t have a time limit.

An organizing body can certainly have a major effect on what pros earn, entry fees, etc. Don’t know the details, but I’d wager that the WTC “owners” and organizers pay themselves quite well… milking it for what they can. The racers take whatever they can get and rely mostly on sponsorship.

Ya… Bass fishing is a great spectator sport live in person. Though it does get TV Coverage.

Triathlon pays better than swimming, other than Olmypic gold medalists.

How does it compare to running? I think they do better than runners… other than again, Gold Medalists.

It lags way behind cycling.

Running pays way better on the professional level. Any major marathon pay-out puts Kona to shame. The European track pays very big money

Cycling pays to Pro’s as well as Cat 1’s and 2’s, cash and prizes

I used to work with a woman who bowled. Her ass was as big as a boxcar but every weekend she made a couple hundred dollars bowling.