My understanding is that no one in the LR actually supports this. Am I reading that correctly?
And the LR, at least as of 2025, seems to be a fairly center left to solidly left political affiliation (though we all are, at least in some way, athletes).
So the question is, how much longer do you think this is going to happen? I keep hearing, “Oh, it’s only this really small number of athletes,” yet these stories seem to be popping up more and more frequently.
BTW, this was with a 40 foot jump. I jumped 39 feet in the triple jump and wasn’t even top 3 on my team (though we had a good team that year).
Regardless of your position on this person competing, you have to recognize this as awful click bait journalism. It’s a paper in Toronto commenting on High School track in California. The source of the, “outrage” in the headline is, “one user on X”. Where is the statement from the student, the school, the losers, the league or the state aa? Is there a purpose to this article beyond demonizing a student athlete?
Akin to lying about age in little league sports, using banned substances or somehow rigging a scale to get into a lower weight class for a wrestling match.
I think most fair folks with a background in sport would of course not support this.
But this reasonable objection to trans women competing in womens sport is, in today’s world, unfortunately nearly always accompanied by widespread and vicious attacks on LGBTQ people in general. Which is just cruel bullying done by cowards.
If most people truly supported women in sport (they don’t) and if most people supported the rights of LGBTQ people to live their lives in peace but simply wanted high level competitive womens sport to be free of trans women, this would not be such a controversial hot button issue. And if people allowed women to make these decisions (in some cases, women are totally ok with trans women competing with them), then this would all go so much more smoothly.
As a right leaning (though stridently anti-MAGA) independent, I’m opposed to transwomen competing against biological women.
My issue with your posted article and the debate in general, is the binary nature of it. The right vociferously uses edge cases as a wedge issue. And the left paints anyone like me as anti-LGBTQ.
There is no nuance in the public debate. I 100% support the trans community and their fundamental right to exist and to live their best lives. And I 100% support the notion that transwomen should not compete athletically against biological females. These positions are not mutually exclusive.
All women?
Women athletes?
Women athletes at the event that is taking place?
Interestingly, I found this event when I was actually looking for another one where a trans woman ran a race by herself at an open track meet because the other women refused to compete against her.
And we know this happened several times in the california volleyball playoffs.
“One user on X” didn’t mean that ONLY one person had an issue. A few sentences later said “another user…”.
How many people need to be quoted to give the article credibility? Surely we can’t expect them to include quotes from 10, 20, 30 people. By adding a couple of quotes they lend credence to their claim. And given the topic, it’s quite logical to assume and accept that a large number of people take issue with trans women in women’s sport.
I don’t think this is clickbait at all. And the location of the journalist doesn’t nullify the story.
Is it clickbait when NY based articles discuss a volcano erupting across the globe? I don’t think so.
You and I hold the exact same position. I think it was Windy who said (a couple of months ago) something along the lines of “you want to be a trans individual? Then go for it. You want to be a trans female individual and compete against biological females and use their locker rooms? Hard no.”
As you said, the nuance for these kind of wedge issues, and others, is impossible to keep at the surface. I’m sick and tired of being labeled a misogynist or anti-LGBTQ, or MAGA because I am able to see and understand nuance.
What do you mean by “this”? If you mean: how long till we have a complete nationwide ban on any trans women competing in any sport, regardless of level (middle school to pro) and regardless of when they transitioned and other facts, I’d say the answer is “no time soon.” If you mean: how long till we have a major push back against such athletes competing as women, that is already happening.
We’ve circled this wagon endlessly before. The fact that some people don’t support women in sport in general doesn’t nullify the position of those that do.
Many women, and men, have made their position known. The minority of those that support and have no issue with trans women in women’s sport don’t get to decide what happens for all of women’s sport.
It’s a situation that will not be resolved easily.
I’m not sure it’s fair to equate a volcano with a couple of twitter posts about a high school athlete competing within the rules.
Considering it’s within the rules, I think it’s quite logical to assume a large number of people don’t take issue with it. Where are those Twitter posts?
Do you honestly think this qualifies as credible journalism? There isn’t even verification that she is trans and not just large athletic female.
A volcano eruption is an interesting event. Transgender women in sport is a hot wedge issue. And an issue that has arisen in multiple competitions across the world. It is also a relevant and interesting topic/event.
There are many news articles about it. And if you have X I suggest you put “AB Hernandez” in the search bar and take a look at how many people are talking about this.
It is within the rules and that’s exactly WHY it is an issue for many. Many states do not allow it.
I see nothing wrong with this journalism. In fact, the author of the article that Barry linked refers to the trans athlete as “she.” So all in all, I find it accurate and respectful journalism and presented facts.
Please tell me what part of the reporting in that article is false?
Trans women in sport is a very controversial and wedge topic. This article is about a trans female taking three events by a massive margin and discusses that athletes comments, as well as repeating the comments of some people who are against it.
You have an issue with the journalism for personal reasons Id assume. Unless I’m wrong.
This is interesting. Kinda shows the unabashed thread of cruelty that runs through nearly all of the attacks on trans people. With trump, clearly it is full speed ahead.
I think in our collective efforts to improve this forum’s outcomes we need to analyze more than just our comments to one another.
While this thread is about transgender individuals, it has to do with sports and sports alone. Your article is a good one but is probably not relevant to the topic at hand and because it is worthwhile to discuss it may only cause the thread to get muddied with tangential discussion. And truthfully, those discussions never usually go smoothly.
Maybe it’s better suited for an already existing thread or starting a new one?
Or maybe I’m overthinking this. But it is an honest effort to see what other steps we can take to have a positive affect on the LR.
My Google shows a bunch of stories, but they are all obviously sourced from the same source. We’ll have to disagree on what constitutes journalism. An actual journalist would have reached out to the school, the athletes and the state high school AA for a statement. A real journalist would have researched the rule and why this athlete was able to compete.