I’m an AOS swimmer and have heard great things about Tower 26 from both the forum and youtube. My question is I’m a pretty awful swimmer (race pace is around 1:50/100) and I’d really like to get better. For those of you that either have a coach and/or have done T26, which do you think would be a better investment? I’ve taken the odd private swim lesson but without consistent swimming and lessons I find I fall back into my old habits quickly. Maybe structured swim workouts would help?? Thanks!
I’m an AOS swimmer and have heard great things about Tower 26 from both the forum and youtube. My question is I’m a pretty awful swimmer (race pace is around 1:50/100) and I’d really like to get better. For those of you that either have a coach and/or have done T26, which do you think would be a better investment? I’ve taken the odd private swim lesson but without consistent swimming and lessons I find I fall back into my old habits quickly. Maybe structured swim workouts would help?? Thanks!
Your best approach is to get regular on-deck feedback of your stroke (at 1:50/100 (scy, I assume), you are definitely doing something(s) wrong). Failing that, you are likely to habituate your stroke flaws and make them harder to correct going forward. It’s a truism in swimming that you are not doing (stroke-wise) what you think you are doing.
Is there a Masters group near you? While I would love to do Tower26, I have a coach on the deck telling me what to correct.
I do have access to Master’s but the ~10 times I’ve gone over the years I’m yet to ever get 1 iota of feedback.
On-deck coach, no questions about it. When I started, I was following swim technique videos and books doing all the drills and swimming 4-5 times/week from 3-5K yds each time. I then started going to masters 2x week, hardly ever more than 3k yds and dropped my IM swim time by 6 minutes.
You have gone 10 times over years? There is part of the issue.
Have you talked with the coach so they know you want feedback? I did with mine. She told me lots of folks do NOT want feedback. (I also then did some private lessons with her to get up to speed).
I do have access to Master’s but the ~10 times I’ve gone over the years I’m yet to ever get 1 iota of feedback.
Did you ask?
Think of it like a relationship. It takes time for coaches to see you, see how you respond to certain situations, and they might have 15 or 20 (or more) swimmers that they are looking after. My experience is that unless you ask, coach may divert their attention elsewhere. Remember, not everyone at masters wants feedback. Lots just go to get in a workout with friends.
To me, the big benefit of swimming masters isn’t so much the feedback from the coach, but from pushing yourself against other athletes.
For those of you that had success with private lessons, how often did you get them relative to swimming on your own?
Fair point about asking for feedback, something I obviously did not do. I must say I’d feel like a bit of a jerk asking for suggestions when there are sometimes 50 other people in the pool, of which 90% are much faster than me. I’m not a fan of being “that guy.”
Yeah, but not many of them are there for technique feedback/coaching. Ask. If you get nothing, then that might not be the group for you.
Sounds like what you need the most is to swim more and accountability to do so. You will get that with either a private coach or Tower 26.
What you will get from Tower 26:
4 workouts a week, scaled for your ability levelAudio files recorded by Gerry for the 3 main workouts, explaining the workout and key focus areas.Videos imbedded into the workouts that demonstrate what you are trying to achieve and key focal areasEnough volume The right prescription - his workouts are tailored so that you learn taughtness, alignment and propulsion. My technique got better just by doing the workouts (and being fully present), without any “hands on” coaching.Accountability, feedback and community - you will report back on the workout page how your workout went and the coaches will respond. you are also able to see how the workout went for everyone else.
I think it’s great (obviously lol), and you should give it a shot.
I also second asking. At the group I joined this year no one else gets feedback but they were more then happy to critique me when I asked.
For those of you that had success with private lessons, how often did you get them relative to swimming on your own?
As one who has gone the personal instruction route…I get them every 4-6 weeks. I’ve had two coaches. My first taught in an endless pool, and my current one teaches in a private country club pool. I didn’t like the endless pool—which was one of the drivers in my switch to a different coach.
Both times its been an hour of 1-on-1 instruction, with follow up emails that include session notes and workouts/drills, and some video analysis when appropriate. I’ll do the drills/workouts for the next 3-6 weeks, and then setup another session. It hasn’t been on a fixed schedule, just mostly ad-hoc.
There are some coaches out there that do 30 minute sessions. But, I would NOT do less than a full hour. Even a full hour goes by pretty quickly with the “how have things been going” discussion, as well as the stoppages to describe a change or new drill or whatever. Cost generally ranges from $65-$100 per hour.
Thanks for the feedback! I’ve reached out to a few local swim coaches. Hopefully someone will be able to help me make the shortest discipline the least painful!
I’ll give you some feedback on one thing. I coach a master’s session 2 times a week, 4 lanes of a 6 lane pool for 1 hour, roughly 16-20 per session. One of the things I like to do is atleast in engage with each athlete once a session. My fastest swimmers I don’t give alot of “feedback”, it’s more dialogue on how the set is going. My moderate to “slow” swimmers is where I really help fine tune the kick position, the arm entry, etc. But even then, many times just getting 1 piece of advice can really be “enough” to make you think and also adequate. Like Jason said or I believe it was Jason above, one of the best things I like about masters is not the coaching, but the commaraderie within the lanes for the swimmers. Pushing each other to get better, knowing what person should lead off, who should go last, etc. Now that can be tough on “form” because sometimes there is an intimidation and “just get to the wall” mentality where you say the hell with form. But I think if you find a good master’s group that can provide feedback and a good workout- it’s easily worth whatever entry fee you pay.
Now obviously that can be much harder when you have 50 guys in a 8-12 lane pool, 5 to a lane, etc and you have 75 min swim set. You can get “lost”, but for my style of coaching I’m a “small group” style that fits perfectly in a 4-6 lane pool, where I can engage each individual person. Not saying it’s bad to coach a 50 person, 12 lane master’s group, that just makes it harder with the volume…I’m also TERRIBLE with names, and the thought of engaging and knowing that many people, hurts my brain.
Good luck with your search and progress.
Where are you in TX? If you are in DFW, send me a PM I can give a reco or two.
If there are dfw Recos let me know especially north
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i fully believe in private coaching time if you can afford it. someone right there watching everything you do is invaluable. there is no other way to know exactly what you’re doing right or wrong. INSTANT feedback and feeling the difference is what you need.
if you’re in the houston area, down on the south side of the beltway is 3rd coast training. im FAR from a “good” swimmer, but i went through the 6 private lessons at 3rd coast to get the basics down and i went from flailing around like a dead fish to feeling completely confident in the water but not yet speedy.
Coaching 1:1, then join T26.
Hands-down, the 1:1 coaching experience I had last year was invaluable compared to everything else I’ve tried. I was working with one nearly weekly for a solid 6+ months (60-90 minute sessions). It’ll be expensive but think of that as an up-front cost. Once you get solid, you can drop or cut back the coaching and you’ll be on a good foundation.
I’ve also been on T26’s program for the last ~2 years and still am. The workouts are great. The load is high though. I would work on the technique issue with a local coach first to avoid injuring yourself from the load.
I’m an AOS swimmer and have heard great things about Tower 26 from both the forum and youtube. My question is I’m a pretty awful swimmer (race pace is around 1:50/100) and I’d really like to get better. For those of you that either have a coach and/or have done T26, which do you think would be a better investment? I’ve taken the odd private swim lesson but without consistent swimming and lessons I find I fall back into my old habits quickly. Maybe structured swim workouts would help?? Thanks!
Your best approach is to get regular on-deck feedback of your stroke (at 1:50/100 (scy, I assume), you are definitely doing something(s) wrong). Failing that, you are likely to habituate your stroke flaws and make them harder to correct going forward. It’s a truism in swimming that you are not doing (stroke-wise) what you think you are doing.
Totally agree. Your first few video analysis sessions will be horrifying.
I did T26 last winter and it was pretty good. I’d thoroughly recommend it.
I became much faster and a better all round swimmer for sure. I then got hit by a car (while cycling, not swimming) and couldn’t swim for 3 months so lost my impetus a bit but all in all it was a very good investment.