The official Silverman Re-Cap thread

My first impression on arriving to the transition area was one of awe. I knew that this was just a 300+ person race, and expected a nice local event, but it had all the pomp and atmosphere of your typical Mdot race. THere is no way that this race makes money from the athletes fees, and the RD and crew are to be commended for thinking about the athlete expirence, over the profit motive. THey do however deserve to make a profit.

Race day was a complete turnaround from the day before, where there was no wind, and a heavy cloud cover all day, that saw temps stay in the 50’s. THe swim was an accurate course, but the 20mph crosswind made both the out and back a struggle against the current. The best open water guys in the world did a good job swimming about 45, but would have been low 40 on a calm day…The rest of the field would lose anywhere from 6 to 25 minutes in their swims this day. Except for Jonas, who missed the turnaround buoy, and had to swim back to stay legal. He lost about 4 or 5 minutes on top of the wind handicap. One of my favorite parts of the day, was sitting on a boat lounge chair with Dave Scott, and reminiscing about the old days. We have a very similar attitude towards where triathlon racing has evolved. Most of you know my feelings, nuff said…

I got to meet Tyler before the race, and as others have said, he was very pleasant. He came ready to race, and it showed from the gun. THe wind actually died down a bit after the sun was up for a couple hours, but began to build after an hour. It was a bastard of a headwind all the way to the 52 mile mark, where the bike turnaround was. From that point it was a monstor tailwind most of the way back, and reading all the RR’s, most everyone did the last 60 faster than the first 52. Tylers cadence seemed to stay between 92 to about 98, and he looked comfortable on his bike( Cervelo P3C). The columbian rider Hernan was all over his bike, and was riding old style Tour tt position(7 cm behind the BB). I had a long chat with him afterwards, and he just had no clue what position the good tt guys are riding.But after we talked, it all made sense to him. He has an appointment to come see Dan this winter , and get himself competitive. He was very strong, but no one could overcome the wind out there in a poor position. He held off Eric Bean for about 60 miles, but Erics superior tt ability took over, and he motored about a minute every 10 miles into Hernan to the finish. As for Bjorn, you have all probably read what his day was like. I said in an earlier thread that I was proud of the guy to have charged that course with a broken aero bar, dangling the entire race…My speculation here, he would have ridden at least 10 minutes faster. Dont’ think he would have outsplit Tyler, but definately would have stayed in the same zip code with him. Eric showed that a good triathlete with a few extra bike miles is not that far off either… Tyler hit the 56 mile in 4:45 pace, and Dave and I commented that he could do sub 4:40 with the wind blowing so strong behind him. HE ended up with a 4:33, Eric and Bjorn 4:49 and 4:50, and Hernan about 4:54.So Tyler stayed strong enough to really take advantage of the tailwind. Dave’s quote to me was “Not in 20 years will they get a course this fast for the bike.” And I have to agree here. I know all of you that raced have horror stories about the winds, but in the aggerate, it was a fast course with the tailwind building throughout the day. Slight to heavy headwind to the 52 mile mark, and then building tailwind for the last 60, = fast ride…But don’t feel cheated, the nearly 10k ft of climbing, the dirt and gravel road, the twisting 20 mile bike path with 18% climbs, and the 1000ft of elevation gain from start to finish, make for the toughest 112 I’ve ever heard of for a tt. Maybe the old Tahoe Worlds Toughest course that crested 4 mountain passes comes close…
SO TYler comes in and runs the dismount line, 4 minute penalty. Not his fault really, the line came less than 2 seconds after the last turn. Everyone would have done the same, except after him, they physically stopped people at the line. Their runner Kamelli took off like the bat out of hell. ABout an 8:40 for the first two miles, slightly downhill. He finally calmed down a bit, and once they could catch him, he had to serve the penalty right there on the course. Once served, he took off like my dog Punkin running with reckless abandon, and I clocked him at a 1:09 flat at the half, + the 4 minute penalty, 1:13. He looked good at that point, but Dan called it right there, he’s out too fast. This is a really difficult running course, and these pure runners have no expirence running marathon tt’s. THe race appeared to be in the bag because we all just imagined ourselves being able to run within 25 minutes of our PR’s to collect the 100k, easy…NOT>>>It would have been easy if Kimelli actually paced for a 2:35, but he was running 2:18 pace on a course that I figure the pro field from NY would maybe run 2:16 . All the other elite runners were well off times that seemed possible to them just hours earlier. Of the 4 elite teams, two runners blew up completely, and the others struggled to good work out times…
The race actually ends up being a close finish, but the drama of the 8 hour barrier had come and gone 17 minutes earlier. We now know that 8 hours is definately doable, and I suspect the time may drop for next year, but the money could go up. SOme rumors of a possible second race, maybe a half to go along with the big daddy.
My grade for this race is a definate A+, and you will not be dissappointed. Like we like to say around the ranch here, “You get your monies worth”.

Most of my splits I took are up on Dan’s live coverage, only correction I have from his report is that the lead swimmer did wear a wetsuit. I really hope this race can survive the Mdot onslaught, it is a gem of a race, with shades of the old school feeling that got a lot of us cought up into triathlon in the first place…

With yours and Slowmans power and contacts behind you, this and other smaller races could rebound and thrive. They won’t make a dent into the wtc / imna almost monopoly, but there could be competition.

Everyone complains about drafting and crowded races, step up and support the smaller races. The Vineman’s, GFT’s, Silvermans, etc.

Monty, think about a Slowtwitch world championship at a rotating course. First year at Silverman, next year at GFT, you get the idea. With the muscle of Slowtwitch behind you, you could make a difference.

Andrew

Monty,

It was nice to get to meet you this weekend. Excellent coverage and summary. I am still amazed that Kimeli paced the race the way he did and fell off so much on the second lap. Along with many others, I thought 8 hours would surely be beaten after the first lap of the run. There were truly a lot of heroic efforts on this course on Sunday. I was lucky enough to have the easy leg of the race, and I even held down my breakfast.

-JK

Monty, with all the talk of drafting at 70.3 World’s do ya think the organizer would consider adding a half Iron race to this event. Maybe something like Bronzeman? It sounds like it would be a great venue and it would be a way to add healthy incremental revenue given the sunk cost of the Irondistance infrastructure.

Can I ask a question without sounding accusatory? I read on the Slowdef coverage that you were hoping to meet Bjorn somewhere on the course with some allen wrenches (but the ones you had weren’t long enough). Would this have been considered legal? Is outside support allowed or were you concerned neutral support because you were covering the race? If Tyler’s bars had broken would you have attempted the same thing? I am just wondering what the rules are. I was glad to see them enforce the 4-minute penalty on Tyler, the little official things make the difference between it being a real race that can compete versus something more informal.

Frank the race director is de-compressing right now for the next two weeks, but I will ask him for a sit down, and we will talk about next years event. It’s funny that when I mentioned to him that I directed a race in Vegas back in ‘86( $50,000 APT event), he said "YA, I know, I was 14 years old and did the race’. SO Frank’s Vegas triathlon roots go way back, and I truly believe that it is a labor of love for him, and he wants to put on an event that he would like to do as an athlete. Stay tuned for this one, I believe big things could happen for his event…

You are right to ask that question. I first went to the tech vehicle at the front of the race, and they would not leave Tyler. They were supposed to cover the lead relays, but felt an obligation to stay with the leader I guess. SO I found Charlie Crawford(head ref), and told him the situation. He said it would be ok for an aid station person to help Bjorn out, but not me. SO what I did was just organize that scenario that had been approved prior to offering it to Bjorn. And yes I would have done the same for Tyler, or anyone else out on the course that needed it. SO a marshall came up with the wrenches, and he gave them to the aid station volunteer…

Thanks, it wasn’t clear from the reports from the day, that all makes sense. It just sounded from Slowman’s coverage like you were meeting Bjorn on the side of the road somewhere. I know you’ve got a fast motorcycle, Bjorn grabs onto the back of that thing and suddenly Tyler’s lead is gone :wink:

Like I said, I was glad they enforced the 4-minute penalty, I would have felt bad for Tyler if they missed the cutoff by less than 4 minutes, but it’s the little things like that that keep making this race sound so appealing.

Also, how come every time you start a sentence with the word “so” you capitalize both the S and the O?

Is this some sort of weird Xantusia code or something?

If you go to the Silverman website, you can register now for next years full or half race.

Regards,

Monty, it was good to see you at the pre-race meeting, although I can’t believe you didn’t take us up on our offer to go to Hooters!

I will be singing the Silverman song to the hard core people I know and I think a challenging half is an excellent idea, I might actually sign up that.

Our volunteer post had us outside of T2 and I have never seen athletes so incoherent! It was intense seeing people finish the bike in the dark (after 8 hours of riding) and then stagger out of the changing tent for the marathon.

There are some pics and stories on my blog from our girls weekend in Vegas and at Silverman: http://tribabe.blogspot.com/

The highlight of my trip was meeting Dave Scott, I gave him one of the hats I make… it said POSER on it.

Monty, it was good to see you at the pre-race meeting, although I can’t believe you didn’t take us up on our offer to go to Hooters!

HOOTERS!!! I thought you said let’s go out and do some shooters…Ya, it was nice seeing you gals from that epic weekend, and maybe this Vegas thing can grow into something similar. The half is a great idea, and will only add to the carnival atmosphere there. I’ve always thought that Vegas is the perfect place to have a big event, lots of nice open roads, and a raunchy, silly town to party in before and after…

The highlight of my trip was meeting Dave Scott, I gave him one of the hats I make… it said POSER on it.

Now that is priceless!

I was lucky enough to have the easy leg of the race…///

You may have had the shortest leg, but I would say that trying to hang with two of the best open water guys in the world, was not easy. You did a great job, and as I said in the initial coverage, you swam the best course out there. You hung for 3/4 on their feet, then cut your losses by swimming a much straighter course. I was telling Dan after the race, I bet that the top 10 triathlon swimmers could do very well in open water events. You take Potts, Walton, and a few of the other boys up there, and I think you have some real tough finishes. When you think about it, they do a couple dozen open water races a year, all in tooth and nail battles to the finish. I bet that most OW guys only get to do 3 or 4 really competitive races a year. Could be why they were all over the course, and you swam a nice tight line from buoy to buoy. You probably swim a lot more races than they do when you count your tri swims. You swam the course like some of the really good lifeguard swimmers I have known over the years. Nice job, you did the tri crowd proud…

“SO TYler comes in and runs the dismount line, 4 minute penalty. Not his fault really, the line came less than 2 seconds after the last turn. Everyone would have done the same, except after him, they physically stopped people at the line.”

Do you see anything unfair about that? Granted you want to correct errors in the course, and you don’t want to make it setup so that athletes almost have to incur a penalty, but if the second team in on the bike had the same conditions as Tyler, they wouldn’t have won the race (with that 4 minute penalty); and you can certainly argue that maybe the runner would have had better pacing and broker 8:00:00.

I guess it just seems extremely unfair to ding Tyler for that, then stop others from doing it.

not sure if anyone has mentioned it yet, but they have indeed added a Half to the '07 race. Cool!

I agree totally, and can sympathize with Tyler’s plight. In my career I would often be first on the bike, and I would find any imperfections in the course layout. They would also be fixed after I pointed them out( by going off course usually), and get no consideration afterwards. Not my fault, but I get the penalty. I voted for a no penalty in this case, and it appeared that they were going to just move the dismount line 10 ft. so everyone got the same change over. That was the right thing to do, but the legal thing to do was enforce the penalty. In retrospect it should never happen again, becuase the dismount line is not a USAT rule anymore, it is a RD rule. This is new, and a lot of RD’s don’t know it yet. I will talk to Frank, and next year no more line, no more rule, just an area where handoffs are made, just like we did in the old days. The handoff and transition dismount got too complicated, USAT acknowleged this, and it should go back to being simple again.

Solid, and I figured you’d see it that way as I’ve seen some of your posts about mixups at the front of the course and RD’s figuring out how to rectify the error - just curious.

Awesome swim. I was up on that point left of the swim start with binoculars.

Lost you guys as you got out to the turn-around island and did’nt catch you again until you all were
quartering into the whitecaps heading for the, I guess, the 800 meter final turn buoy. The big question we all had watching, how many in the lead pack. Three!

Noted that on that leg, the buoy line because of the conditions, was a bit zig-zagged. How they were able
to keep those 20 buoys relatively straight is beyond me because the water depth approaches in some spots, I believe, 200 feet. Anyway, twice, saw the lead pack have to make sharp course corrections on that leg to get back to the outside. You should have been the Navigator; would have solved that.

Warkentin looked like he was sighting ever two strokes. Navigation must have been tough indeed. Third roughest swim I have ever seen. IMUT and Kokopelli a few years ago, 1 and 2 (those I did).

How would you rate the difficlulty of the swim?

Again, awesome swim.

Conrad

If you watch Tyler finish:
http://silvermancoverage.com/?p=34
(Watch the video, not just the still photo), you’ll see he gained no advantage and both the officials and his team member where not ready for him.
The chip handoff is kindy funny, makes them look human like everyone else.