Canyon athletes have this written into their contracts. The bike record is NOWHERE near that amount. Heck, if you look at Sam’s prize money (0), he would have been better off finishing a few spots down rather than the bonus amount he gets.
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energy.
a power meter give you output not input. It’s why we can do math and get great calculation and predictions etc. but that doesn’t measure the stress the athlete is under in that variable.
Different positions increase stress to input energy, if that increases muscle load and stress you will heat more, sweat more, stress more fatigue the longer you go. you can see this all the time with some athletes performances or time. as the race goes they slow. This year lionel had 3 races pre kona with cold temp, oceanside, mt.tremblay, IMC. lake placid I believe was warmer and likely why he though he needed to test more.
this is probably why Lionel now thinks he should have done some longer efforts, as he felt that situation and cam getting away and Trevor etc. it’s not just the training intervals in practice though the have to be able to test this stuff like ola did with blu in trainig pre cozumel over a long ride or run over time ad then adjust and re test etc.
That’s the point you might reduce a CDA which is great, but if you stress more over 180 km pre 42 km run might not be worth it. If the position increase torque on a single area and producing an injury might now be worth it. If it makes it so you can’t breath hard enough to take the pace up during surges. ect.
You think during a race with your HR near 90 % max you make good decisions.
Sam half way on the swim, crap big pack " magnus and Lange"
Surge the swim to gap.
out of the water Lange right beside him " CRAP"
Turn around 7 km Lange in group 1 min behind " crap " Have to go now and get the gap going." At least bigger gap than the dif in Nice.
The pace to Hawi was reckless fast for sam and magnus. they both suffered coming back.
We don’t know how Sam felt coming back but so did he know like magnus at the time the run will be too much and just decide to grab the bike record as the backup option to guarantee a pay out? I would in that situation and know in updates Kallin was coming so it won’t be easy the last 60 km.
I am sure at 95 km Sam thought he is going to win, and Magnus thought I am 1 second.
AT 40 km to go on the bike I think Sam with the gaps might have realized the plan has changed ( also under 4 hours Would be amazing ), and magnus has said he thought he would drop out heading into t2.
Ya but then they go on to say:
Approximately 53% of the entire three-year period matched with the doubly labeled water measurement periods in terms of training volume, indicating that the recorded total energy expenditure is representative of the majority of the observed data.
I’m interpreting this to mean 53% of the 3-yr period coincided with the doubly labeled water measurement periods. Now perhaps the periods were not all back to back, and perhaps the 7000-8500 range only applies to 53% of the 3 yrs, in which case there may have been a good number of easy days in the other 47%. In any case, their abstract is not very clearly written IMO.
are we playing fantasy world now …
i can ensure you that sam thought he would win commng of the bike. i have that from a good authority ie somebody that spoke to sam after the race and knows him for more than 10 years .
I thought he would win to at the point , then saw him run vs Lange for the first 200 m and called Patrick for the win.
Ok good chat about it , in hindsight we are all right .
What this means is that his training volume overall was similar to the times when they did the test, not that the test period was 53% of the period. But yes, that calorie expenditure is representative of this training overall.
The abstract also notes his overall training time per year, which works out to 26.5hrs/wk - which is massive considering it also includes rest, taper, injury, etc.
OK, I guess I see what you are saying, but what was the purpose of the “doubly labeled water”??? Did they somehow measure his caloric output and energy intake better with this doubly labeled water??? I’m guessing the “labels” were some isotope of either hydrogen or oxygen, since these are the only elements making up water. This abstract still seems very obtuse to me.
MATE, that’s almost 3 years old and before he hired Mikal. Hires Mikal, total hours skyrockets. He’s not doing 16 hours.
@talbotcox I guess I meant like “Coach Lionel” what his approach is rather than his choice to be self coached.
It was just a way to accurately measure what he burned rather than just an estimate based on the averages associated with power and time.
Looking closely I guess the main take away is that he’s claiming elite athletes can be trained over 2.5x (if I recall) the resting caloric necessity for a long period of time, which apparently was a benchmark for training ceiling over time.
The deficit is still interesting though. Why would he intentionally have him at a deficit?
I have 4 cups of coffee per day, my last coffee is usually around 8pm after the kids go to bed. I’m in bed at 9:30-10 and asleep very quickly. Assuming the kids don’t wake us up in the night I sleep right through to my alarm at 5:30am. Of course caffeine will affect everyone differently, but it’s so untrue when people make it out to be some rocket fuel that’ll keep you up for days.
The biggest impact on my sleep is working out too late in the day. Some nights I have to wait until the kids are in bed before I run/ride and if that’s the case then I’m struggling to fall asleep before midnight.
My routine requires me to do several workouts between 8-10 pm (typically 3-4 weeknights a week). On those days I find my rest heart is around 4-5 beats higher than normal.
General reply to this thread and I don’t think it’s been covered, But Lionel did two Ironmans at the end of July and end of August. I don’t think any of the peer beating him at Kona did an Ironman later. Blu raced late in Copenhagen and had a bad race. If LIonel did two long training days at Ironmans, the going long is not his problem. He may have just been ground down by that. He was on fire at Oceanside in April. Hard to be in form again in October. He may have just timed his season poorly. In 2017 he was able to out run Cam after biking not that much slower. Minimally that’s the result he should have had
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Great
Thank you Talbot
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It was just a way to accurately measure what he burned rather than just an estimate based on the averages associated with power and time.
Looking closely I guess the main take away is that he’s claiming elite athletes can be trained over 2.5x (if I recall) the resting caloric necessity for a long period of time, which apparently was a benchmark for training ceiling over time.
The deficit is still interesting though. Why would he intentionally have him at a deficit? [/quote]
Ya, something is not right here. Blu would be a walking skeleton had he been on that severe deficit!!! I think there is some additional info that we need to know. 
key take away oly traning requires more hours than ironnman or the boyz
are getting lazy lol
The annual training volumes for the years 2020-2022 were 1,480, 1,350 and 1,308 hours,
He has put out an instagram story asking whether or not he should go to Taupo for the 70.3 WC. He’s obviously itching to race again.
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Didnt he also say (post Kona) that he was pretty much broke…?
Taupo doesnt sound cheap
It’s not too bad if he’s willing to fly solo (and maybe split Talbot’s funding with others). If he takes the whole entourage then it’s a different story.
Of course the interwebs are going to tell him to race, but that’s probably not what’s best for him right now.
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Yeah,he did say that after the month in Hawaii he couldn’t afford to go to NZ and that his next and last race for the year would be 70.3 Indian Wells.
I don’t think going to Taupo would end very well race wise but it would be good for the YouTube thing.
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He’s likely still going to finish below the top 10 for pro series (technically there’s a chance he could get 10th but he’d have to win the WC or come very close) but if he came top 10 in the WC and was reasonably frugal, the trip would pay for itself from the prize money.