The Official, All Encompassing, Lionel Sanders Thread

[stevej]

@marcag

He has already started playing adverts in his videos

You figured out how use pink!

[tinman]

The Norwegian Method advert aged well didn’t it?

[DoronG]

@tilburydavis

He has my telephone number…

A few years back, following a disappointing IM performance, I managed to get a consultation with David. Amazingly, within 2 seconds he diagnosed my issue as lack of ‘resiliency’ (I believe that was the word he used, maybe it was ‘durability’).

I pulled out Friel’s old ‘Training bible’ and reread the section about muscular endurance (for the N’th time). I still have a dent on my forehead from slapping it so hard.

This is such basic stuff, I can’t help but wonder the impact on his results if LS just had a consultation call with David every few months. Not a coach telling him what to do, just a sounding board to give input to the thought process.

Not that I think he could have won the WC (you need to be a delusional die-hard fanboy to think that), but he could achieve a race performance that he is happy with. Race to his potential if you will.

[deantrives]

i’m going to reread that section tonight, maybe i’ll too have a dent… gotta LOVE triathlon.

[synthesis]

I agree, too much lactate bs, is he selling the data for money??

[Bryancd]

Oh, I guess that’s true, it depends on when in his build he is. In the months before an IM he’s likely well north of 20. I’m an AG’er and I do more than 20 for 2 months before a race. like that. But now he’s probably like the rest of us and doing much less.

[timbasile]

@synthesis

I agree, too much lactate bs, is he selling the data for money??

You mean his future coaching business?

[Lurker4]

@DoronG

I pulled out Friel’s old ‘Training bible’ and reread the section about muscular endurance (for the N’th time). I still have a dent on my forehead from slapping it so hard.

Please tell me we’re going to get “Lionel Sanders beast mode hybrid athlete workouts to increase his resiliency” videos.

[lightheir]

@MrTri123

In his latest video I thought he said he did no long distance easy training leading up to Kona this year All intervals

He also said he did his longest trading day it was 7.5 hours

I believe he has said he only trains an average of 20 hours per week or less Maybe i have this wrong?

Honestly, I was shocked at how low his training volume was, both overall per day, as well as ‘longest’ bike. I think he said something along the lines of that he never bikes for more than 3.5 hours - maybe he was exaggerating, but still, was surprising to me. And 20 hrs per week is in the range of top age-grouper training. I’m not going to criticize - although it may be affecting his specific performance in IM-distance racing, but for sure he’s still spanking nearly everyone except the world’s best even at IM distance on his regimen.

[Hydrosloth]

M H - I think you are onto something here. At the swim-less IMC this year, he was pretty comfortable in doing a 4:09 bike and a 2:45. Yes different courses (harder or easier) + different weather conditions but just wondering if there’s any lessons to be learned with the different experiences.

[MrTri123]

@lightheir

@MrTri123

In his latest video I thought he said he did no long distance easy training leading up to Kona this year All intervals

He also said he did his longest trading day it was 7.5 hours

I believe he has said he only trains an average of 20 hours per week or less Maybe i have this wrong?

Honestly, I was shocked at how low his training volume was, both overall per day, as well as ‘longest’ bike. I think he said something along the lines of that he never bikes for more than 3.5 hours - maybe he was exaggerating, but still, was surprising to me. And 20 hrs per week is in the range of top age-grouper training. I’m not going to criticize - although it may be affecting his specific performance in IM-distance racing, but for sure he’s still spanking nearly everyone except the world’s best even at IM distance on his regimen.

This is why I think he does very well at 70.3 and not nearly as well at full distance

He has said he only does approx 16 hours a week

I do believe he killed the races with little traing and got used to getting by on lower volume

It worked until it didn’t. Which was long course races and Europeans coming to USA who regularly put in 30+ hour weeks

He puts in so much intensity it would be impossible to do 25+ hours a week

For him he enjoys the I intense workouts and not so much the long 4 + hour bike rides

[Chencho]

In the words of the great Kobe, these all sound like excuses to me.

He definitely needs to take back those 4-5 minutes in the swim somehow, someway. This is if he wants to win of course OR just be happy constantly theorizing and driving himself (and us) crazy.

[synthesis]

europeans coming to USA doing 30 hours… was blu doing that before IM Frankfurt?

[Titanflexr]

@MrTri123

For him he enjoys the I intense workouts and not so much the long 4 + hour bike rides

He does what interests him (often his new magic bullet or flavor of the month) vs. what he needs to do to prepare optimally. I’m sure the Norwegians were shaking their heads at how much lactate testing he was doing in EVERY workout.

[Ajax_Bay]

This thread is ‘beating’ the Covid v VO2max one by 122 to 99 (4 days).

[michael_Hatch]

That’s because more people on here know what they are talking about.

nah just kidding``

[MrTri123]

Nowadays, there are a few key tenets to the Norwegian Method of endurance training.

High-volume, low intensity training 30 hours per week seems to be the standard for Blummenfelt, who shares his training data on Strava. The longest training weeks can be 35-40 hours, with 80-90% of the sessions completed at a low intensity (which we’ll discuss in detail, below).

How to Train Like A Norwegian (Without The Blood)

[synthesis]

yea i do follow his strava… its more close to 20 hours

[Triathletetoth]

@kajet

Not to split hairs but 10 watts are like 2.5 minutes maybe (3% less power would account for roughly 1% less speed). And if you’re suggesting Lionel lost 3 times as much power as he saved thanks to aero, then his aero gains would’ve been absolutely negligible.

He claimed 30 watts saved in the wind tunnel. Let’s say he really saved 15 and that this includes the road tests with Marc. Would you say the new position cut his power by 45 watts, or 15%?

I will ignore the 10 watts is 2.5 minutes, likely way more then that. but the fact he said he did x watts less and legs were cooked.

So the question was the new position possible the reason you lost watts and does the new position over use the legs before the run.

I mean lets face it the year was built up that the bike is going to just fly and well compared to the other racers it didn’t.

[Mulen]

KB Blu´s strava volumes in hours. Red line is 28 hours.

But I doubt he posts everything

@synthesis

yea i do follow his strava… its more close to 20 hours