I’ve been taking a closer look at 3T bikes and the amount of BS I see is too much. 3T claims that their Exploring bike is “aero” even though it has a huge box shaped downtube, not even any effort at faking a “kamn tail” where the tube is still suppose to taper at least to some degree. Instead we get a square box that is somehow “aero”. Pure marketing.
I dont know, the variable here is what does a 700x35mm knobby tire do to the air? Does it disrupt it enough that there’s no use in trying to reattach the air? That’s what they’re saying.
I dont know, the variable here is what does a 700x35mm knobby tire do to the air? Does it disrupt it enough that there’s no use in trying to reattach the air? That’s what they’re saying.
Only the windtunnel knows…
Yeah, right. Let’s make the downtube a blunt box shape with no taper and make it 3X the size of the widest tire you can fit on the thing and still call it aero! It’s a brick. It looks like a brick, quacks like a brick, and moves through the air like a brick.
Hybridlete wasn’t suggested the leading edge was square, but rather observing that the trailing edge was. The shape of the trailing edge turns out to be rather crucial for aerodynamics, though many find that unintuitive. I was under the impression that the squared-off 3T tubes were what are called Kamm tails, which can be aerodynamically beneficial, but in fact they do appear to be surprisingly square.
i can’t be sure, but i think the OP is referring to the exploro. i believe i’m having dinner with the half-owner of 3T at interbike. i’ll let him know he doesn’t know anything about aerodynamics, which means he probably didn’t when he designed all cervelo’s bikes up thru the P5 when he founded and owned that company.
Can you ask him why they aren’t marketing the Exploro as the most aero Tri bike ever? Just look at how wide those wheels and how truncated those tubes are! It’s to next evolution of aero! At what point did they stop trying and just start mocking athlete stupidity?
Can you ask him why they aren’t marketing the Exploro as the most aero Tri bike ever? Just look at how wide those wheels and how truncated those tubes are! It’s to next evolution of aero! At what point did they stop trying and just start mocking athlete stupidity?
i can’t be sure, and i can’t speak for them, but i suspect they’re not marketing the exploro as the most aero tri bike ever because the exploro is a gravel plus bike. i think the idea was to make an all-rounder as aero as is practicable while retaining all the imperatives that attack to a bike of that style. how well they succeeded i don’t know because i haven’t tested the bike for its aerodynamic qualities.
cervelo made pretty contained and moderate aero claims about its P5X, only referring to its performance compared to its existing P5. the company and the bike got roundly ridiculed often in the most ungentlemanly terms, by folks who were *beyond certain *the bike was an aero dog. and then we found out it is very possible the most aero bike you can buy for triathlon.
so, sometimes companies make silly claims. sometimes they don’t. i think the folks behind the exploro have a track record that stands up.
but don’t let that get in the way of a good old fashioned roast!
Can you ask him why they aren’t marketing the Exploro as the most aero Tri bike ever? Just look at how wide those wheels and how truncated those tubes are! It’s to next evolution of aero! At what point did they stop trying and just start mocking athlete stupidity?
If Slowman invented the tri bike, the guy behind the 3T bike perfected the TT and tri bike and probably has more more victories from riders using his aero bikes than any other company in the past couple decades… but carry on, sir. Personally, I would defer to his design judgement more than just about anyone else.
If Slowman invented the tri bike, the guy behind the 3T bike perfected the TT and tri bike and probably has more more victories from riders using his aero bikes than any other company in the past couple decades… but carry on, sir. Personally, I would defer to his design judgement more than just about anyone else.
I’m the first to agree that there’s a hell of a lot of marketing nonsense thrown around by the bike industry, and especially in relation to aerodynamics, but you sir, are not helping.
You know a very little and wield it as though it were an all conquering sword.
The reality is quite different and in my opinion you’ve become quite tiresome very quickly. Go back to the thread linked below, which you bailed out of after making a fool of yourself and prove you can actually make a valid argument, defend it or concede your errors when you’re wrong. If you can’t do that, I reckon you’re wasting everyone’s time.
Giant Goes There: Says Their Disc Brakes Are More Aero Than Calipers
…i’ll let him know he doesn’t know anything about aerodynamics, which means he probably didn’t when he designed all cervelo’s bikes up thru the P5 when he founded and owned that company.
That’s why he hired Damon…
All joking aside, why would anyone care about the aerodynamics of a gravel / all-around bike??
