Thanks SO MUCH to everyone - guppies and the FF group

I had 2 goals for today - 3rd in my AG and to get as close to 6 hours as possible. I came in 6th but 2nd out of the water with a 31:54 and I’m OVER THE MOON about that and finished just under 6 hours! So happy to have been able to snag that time. There were some fast old ladies out there or it is just getting harder once you make it on the cusp of the 55AG.

So again, thanks so much to everyone from Dan to all the guppies offering advice. I went from a 2:30/100m swimmer in June to 1:41 (and I zigzagged all over the course, had to go back for a bouy and missed teh finish steps and had to swim over to them. :slight_smile:

Congratulations from one of your fellow guppies! That was an awesome improvement, and under 6:00 would be my dream goal.

Congrats on your improvement.
Can you share with us what made the difference for you and led you to this amazing improvement ?

Wow, good for you.

Congrats! That is an incredible improvement over a short period of time. Maybe Dan really does know what he’s talking about. :stuck_out_tongue:

Congrats on your improvement.
Can you share with us what made the difference for you and led you to this amazing improvement ?

Well, I suspect it was a couple of things, training and dengue. When I did the 2:30 I think I might have been beginning to fight dengue as I came down with it hard a couple days afterwards BUT I had already been swimming slow - doing 2:10 earlier in the year. So, not sure that was dengue-induced. I had upped my swimming for a little over a month before that 230/100 swim at around 10k/week so but that was unlikely to have given me any difference in only a month? Not sure. It would seem that with a month of 10k/week I should have seen improvement then, but alas I did not.

Once I was over dengue (took a good month to 6 weeks) I aimed for 10K/week swimming and once hit 11K. Unfortunately, the last 3 weeks I’ve been at 7-8K so I’m suspect that upping swimming was a big factor but I’m going to continue to aim for 10k weeks through November.

I closed my hands. I was making an L with my thumb and palm and while I’m suspicious this made a difference, it made me more aware of my “new” stroke and concentrating on the hand I think made me constantly conscious not to fall back to old habits. I started aiming to plant my hand wide on each stroke and really concentrated on engaging my lats and doing the over the barrel thing. Not sure I’ve got that down. Another big thing (I think) is that when I start getting tired or slowing down I think to myself “finish your stroke” and instead of concentrating on the pull/start of the stroke, I concentrate on pushing with my triceps on the finish of the stroke just before your arm comes out of the water.

hope something there resonates!

Well, ignore all the above. Apparently the course was likely short and I probably didn’t improve that much after all. Sigh. thanks so much to Erik for bringing this to my attention instead of waiting to see if my head would pop from being so swollen. :slight_smile: I guess I’ll take solace that I was 68/295 out of the water instead of DFL. :slight_smile:

Have you looked at the swim splits for your 70.3??? The fastest guy, a 40-44 male named Fernandez Carlos, went 17:06 and there were 2 other guys under 20:00. This may not mean much to you but, as a veteran of around 110 triathlons, the swim is often short and this appears to be the case here. IF the 70.3 swim was really 1900 meters, then this guy would have gone well under WR pace, i.e. Sun Yang’s WR for 1500 m in the 50m pool is about 14:30, or 58/100m, which would be 18:22 for 1900 m if he could hold same pace. Since we can be pretty sure that Fernandez did not go 1:16 under WR pace, the swim must have been short. Just guessing but based on the 17:06, I’d say the swim was probably around 1600 meters, which would put Fernandez at around 16:00 for 1500 m in the 50m pool, which is about as fast as any 40 yr old guy can swim in open water.

So, I hate to break your bubble but probably your 32 min swim is around 2:00/100m rather than 1:41, but prob a little under 2:00 since you said you zig-zagged a lot. I’m sending this as a PM rather than posting on ST since it is really no one’s business but yours. Anyway, I hope you won’t be offended that I’ve done all this investigating but I’ve just learned from much experience that in the swim leg you absolutely HAVE to look at the fastest swimmers’ splits.

Also, just FYI, the fastest woman’s swim was 21:34, by a pro Celine Scharer and she and 3 other female pro’s were under 22:00, faster than all the male pro’s, the fastest of which was 22:31 with a about 5 at 22:31-39. Maybe they were all just pacing themselves but still, if three AG-ers can go under 20:00, then I would think a fast swimmer, someone like Andy Potts, would have gone under 20 also and would’ve come out of the water with a 3 min lead.

Anyway, all of the above is just FYI. Really, the only swim times you can trust are either in a pool, or swum over a measured distance that you absolutely KNOW to be correct, like a point-to point swim along a wheel-measured 1500 meters on the beach, and even then any current will make a huge diff. Pool times are really the only absolute times, but of course I know you don’t have access to a good pool:)

I didn’t think you’d post my analysis:)
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sorry - i thought it might help others questioning. i’ll delete if you’d like.

Regardless of your exact pace over this one Kathy, you’ve got better & faster, so well done you!

It also sounds like you’ve continued to invest in your swimming so it can only keep going in the right direction :slight_smile:

What Erik said.

You still had a VERY solid improvement, placing wise.
That’s really the only part you can go by, with any semblance of confidence. Which means you still did much better!

Pretty much zero tri swims are accurate.
Sometimes they are close, but since you never really know for sure, and since weather, currents, waves, sun, getting good feet or not, etc all can impact your split time, it’s hard to really know for sure how much was what you did, and how much was external factors.

Congrats regardless! Sucking less in the water is always a good thing.

Regardless of the short course, that’s a good improvement in your placements.

I always check my AG and OA placement for triathlons to gauge my performance, as errors in the swim are notoriously common, and even if the course is accurately marked, current and migrating buoys also cause some huge discrepancies, as you’re finding.

Rest assured, progress is progress - good work!

sorry - i thought it might help others questioning. i’ll delete if you’d like.

Nah, no problem at all since it shows you are a “stand-up girl”. Many people would’ve just brushed this under the rug, so to speak, and gone proclaiming him/her self as a “1:40/100 m swimmer”. It reflects great credit on you:)

Probably more important is how you felt exiting the water and doing the other two legs of the race. Improving your swimming should leave you less fatigued for the rest of it.

Well, I have to say I was pretty downheartened at first and had about a day of “fuck this, it doesn’t matter how much I do” but then I found my big girl panties…

I do thank you - I likely would have slacked off if I thought I really did a 32-min 1.9km swim. Doesn’t do me any good to train under a false illusion, so thank you!

thanks so much to you and blackthugscat and Halfspeed and lighteir for your kind words. they really did help!

Well, I have to say I was pretty downheartened at first and had about a day of “fuck this, it doesn’t matter how much I do” but then I found my big girl panties…I do thank you - I likely would have slacked off if I thought I really did a 32-min 1.9km swim. Doesn’t do me any good to train under a false illusion, so thank you!

Kathy - Glad you managed to find those “big girl panties”!!! Really, it is always best to be realistic about what we’ve done. I think you can get down to the 1:40/100 m pace but it will just require more work:)