Superficial Thrombosis (SVT)... anyone?

seems that is what it is. 3 days after a race, got what felt like a severe case of plantar fascitis. could hardly walk. then, a week later, migrates up to the ankle, just behind the maleolus. then, 3 or 4 days later, top of the lower leg, just below the knee, sort of medial-rear.

then, about 2.5 weeks into this, migrates above the knee, medial-rear. meanwhile, everywhere it’s been is healing up. i’m continuing to ride and swim, mind you. doesn’t hurt, except that whatever it is is tight as a wire. now it’s migrated about halfway up my femur. and you can see it. it’s hot, swollen, and you can see the red line.

and i think, there isn’t any muscle or tendon that connects the heel of the foot to the mid-thigh. and i do what anyone does who’s serious about a medical diagnosis: i go to the internet, and look up the venous system of the leg. and there it is, the great saphenous vein.

so i go to my doctor, i show him where it is, i get 3 sentences in, “i already know what it is,” he says. this was this morning. he sends me over to get an ultrasound, no DVT. so, nothing to worry about. no blood thinners, no aspirin, it will resolve on its own. he reckons it maybe was the 3hr drive home from the race.

still sore. but manageable. welcome to the 60s.

i do note, tho, in pubmed, low molecular heparin is a recent treatment decision, tho warmth, compression and ambulation, anti-inflammatories.

So the diagnosis was superficial thrombosis? Did you go to your primary for this? Regardless I am glad it isn’t anything worse and just requires some more healing.

So the diagnosis was superficial thrombosis? Did you go to your primary for this? Regardless I am glad it isn’t anything worse and just requires some more healing.

My primary care guy is an internist, so, kind of in his wheelhouse. Yes. SVT. Weird.

So the diagnosis was superficial thrombosis? Did you go to your primary for this? Regardless I am glad it isn’t anything worse and just requires some more healing.

My primary care guy is an internist, so, kind of in his wheelhouse. Yes. SVT. Weird.

I’m unsure as to what you are asking in this thread.

Anyone have something similar?
Anyone seen this before?

Thanks for the heads up from a 59 year old. :slight_smile: Continued healing!

So the diagnosis was superficial thrombosis? Did you go to your primary for this? Regardless I am glad it isn’t anything worse and just requires some more healing.

My primary care guy is an internist, so, kind of in his wheelhouse. Yes. SVT. Weird.

I’m unsure as to what you are asking in this thread.

Anyone have something similar?
Anyone seen this before?

Is your answer to either yes?

So the diagnosis was superficial thrombosis? Did you go to your primary for this? Regardless I am glad it isn’t anything worse and just requires some more healing.

My primary care guy is an internist, so, kind of in his wheelhouse. Yes. SVT. Weird.

I’m unsure as to what you are asking in this thread.

Anyone have something similar?
Anyone seen this before?

Is your answer to either yes?

Yes.

Yes I have had it. Yes I have had patients who have had it.

Feel free to PM me.

Sometimes the patients are almost disappointed they don’t have something more serious.

So the diagnosis was superficial thrombosis? Did you go to your primary for this? Regardless I am glad it isn’t anything worse and just requires some more healing.

My primary care guy is an internist, so, kind of in his wheelhouse. Yes. SVT. Weird.

I’m unsure as to what you are asking in this thread.

Anyone have something similar?
Anyone seen this before?

Is your answer to either yes?

Yes.

Yes I have had it. Yes I have had patients who have had it.

Feel free to PM me.

we have a fair number of doctors here. it’s always interesting to see what doctors have to say. further, this place is a crowdsource goldmine. if you look just above that ad to the right you’ll see a blue bar that says HOT FORUM TOPICS. turn that down and look under injury & illness. what you’ll see there is a hierarchy of threads that contain the best urban wisdom, and i swear, mad calf disease (so-named here, the very high incidence of running calf strains in men over 40) wasn’t a well recognized thing until it appeared on this forum maybe 20 years ago.

if you look at all that’s written on iliac arterial endofibrosis, inguinal hernia, and of course reams and reams on afib, sometimes you just don’t realize a lot of people in our cohort are going through things until you get a few tens of thousands of them reading and posting on it.

Glad you are OK and this think will go away on its own!

Dev

Sometimes the patients are almost disappointed they don’t have something more serious.

i am very happy i have what i have. versus what i could’ve had. were this DVT, i’d be in the shitter for awhile. were this orthopedic, who knows how long the recovery would take? so, this was probably my best outcome.

but it’s still weird. you want your vein to be nice and healthy, and it’s not. a cut on your arm, okay, it’ll heal. or a sprained ankle. but a vein? i’ve got a big bruise - my leg is bruised, from my vein. that’s mentally uncomfortable.

Sometimes the patients are almost disappointed they don’t have something more serious.

i am very happy i have what i have. versus what i could’ve had. were this DVT, i’d be in the shitter for awhile. were this orthopedic, who knows how long the recovery would take? so, this was probably my best outcome.

but it’s still weird. you want your vein to be nice and healthy, and it’s not. a cut on your arm, okay, it’ll heal. or a sprained ankle. but a vein? i’ve got a big bruise - my leg is bruised, from my vein. that’s mentally uncomfortable.

As always, you should stick with your PCP’s advice.

It is weird/unusual and uncomfortable physically (a little) and mentally (a little more).

That said, I took aspirin for a few weeks. I felt the bleeding risk was low and it would help with inflammation and aspirin has been shown to prevent recurrent DVT/PE in patients with prior blood clots (although not to the extent of a blood thinner) and it gave me peace of mind.

Once it was broken down, I had no discomfort or recurrence. This was pretty much the same experience of most of my patients, although some had additional co-morbidities and had tangential courses…

Dale

good luck and heal up!

Dan-superficial thrombosis or superficial thrombophlebitis??
Sounds more like thrombophlebitis with the redness etc…

Dan-superficial thrombosis or superficial thrombophlebitis??
Sounds more like thrombophlebitis with the redness etc…

i don’t know that we got into that detail. it seems to me the latter because it’s migrating up the vein, from the foot to mid-thigh. but i don’t know. i think the only issue was to make sure there wasn’t DVT, which it isn’t, so, whatever it is, it’ll figure itself out.

i just found the whole thing interesting because it seemed like an orthopedic thing for the first two weeks. i would’ve never guessed it was what it was.

Dan-superficial thrombosis or superficial thrombophlebitis??
Sounds more like thrombophlebitis with the redness etc…

i just found the whole thing interesting because it seemed like an orthopedic thing for the first two weeks. i would’ve never guessed it was what it was.

and THAT is why you go to your doctor first…and post on ST later…

:wink:

Dan-superficial thrombosis or superficial thrombophlebitis??
Sounds more like thrombophlebitis with the redness etc…

i just found the whole thing interesting because it seemed like an orthopedic thing for the first two weeks. i would’ve never guessed it was what it was.

and THAT is why you go to your doctor first…and post on ST later…

:wink:

Amen to that.

At the risk of being told again how to use ‘Up to Date’…

For the record, I always feel like I am being a ‘patient advocate’, and not their primary/treating physician, when I make these posts.
I always refer the OP to their PCP and try to enlighten them a bit about things I would think about…

Make sure you have a follow up appointment, Dan!

SUMMARY AND RECOMMENDATIONS
●Phlebitis and thrombosis of the lower extremity superficial veins are generally benign and self-limited; however, when the larger axial veins, such as the great saphenous or small saphenous veins, are involved (ie, superficial vein thrombosis ) propagation into the deep vein system (ie, deep vein thrombosis ) and even pulmonary embolism (PE) can occur.

●The diagnosis of phlebitis is primarily clinical, based upon findings of pain, tenderness, induration, and/or erythema along the course of a superficial vein. (See ‘Clinical presentations’ above.)

●The risk of phlebitis and thrombosis of the lower extremity superficial veins is increased in patients with abnormal coagulation or fibrinolysis, endothelial dysfunction, infection, venous stasis, intravenous therapy, or intravenous drug abuse. (See ‘Risk factors’ above.)

●Patients should undergo repeat physical examination within 7 to 10 days of their initial diagnosis to look for resolution or progression. Any worsening of clinical symptoms or extension of signs of phlebitis on physical examination should prompt duplex ultrasound. (See ‘Duplex ultrasound’ above and ‘Approach to treatment’ above.)

●For patients with SVT (ie, axial vein thrombosis), we suggest ultrasound upon initial presentation to rule out the presence of coexistent DVT. Duplex ultrasound should also be performed if there is evidence of clinical extension of thrombophlebitis, lower extremity swelling that is greater than would be expected from thrombophlebitis alone, or the diagnosis is in question. (See ‘Duplex ultrasound’ above.)

●For all patients diagnosed with phlebitis and thrombosis of the lower extremity superficial veins, supportive measures should be instituted and consist of extremity elevation, warm or cool compresses, compression stockings, and pain management. (See ‘Symptomatic care’ above.)

●Risk factors for deep vein thrombosis in those with phlebitis and thrombosis of the lower extremity veins include more extensive thrombosis ≥5 cm, anatomic proximity of thrombus to the deep venous system (≤5 cm from the saphenofemoral or saphenopopliteal junction), and medical risk factors for DVT (eg, prior DVT, thrombophilia, malignancy, estrogen therapy). (See ‘Thromboembolism’ above.)

•For patients with phlebitis and thrombosis of the lower extremity veins at low risk for DVT, we suggest oral nonsteroidal anti-inflammatory drugs (NSAIDs) rather than anticoagulation as first-line drug therapy (Grade 2B). (See ‘Approach to treatment’ above and ‘Low risk for thromboembolism’ above.)

•For patients with SVT (not related to endovenous ablation therapy) who are at increased risk for DVT, we suggest anticoagulation for 45 days over supportive care alone (ie, nonsteroidal anti-inflammatory drugs and compression stockings) (Grade 2B). Fondaparinux, low-molecular-weight heparin, unfractionated heparin, direct oral anticoagulants, and vitamin K antagonists appear to be equally effective. A decision to anticoagulate the patient when thrombus approaches the deep venous system at other sites (ie, saphenopopliteal junction, perforator veins) should be individualized; either anticoagulation or serial duplex ultrasound may be appropriate. (See ‘Approach to treatment’ above and ‘Increased risk for thromboembolism’ above.)

●For thrombus extending into the deep venous system, the patient is treated according to standard protocols for DVT. The treatment of DVT is discussed in detail elsewhere. (See “Overview of the treatment of lower extremity deep vein thrombosis (DVT)”.)

ACKNOWLEDGMENT — The editorial staff at UpToDate would like to acknowledge Leonor Fernandez, MD, who contributed to an earlier version of this topic review

to be clear, i saw my doctor, got an ultrasound, had my follow up appt booked (2 weeks to the day) before i posted here. so, yeah, i love my posse. but i’m not a complete idiot :wink:

I had exactly the same thing about 3years ago. I thought I had a calf pull/sore calf. It migrated to my knee and to my groin. I had a ultrasound which confirmed a blockage from ankle to groin.
I had to take blood thinners for about 6 weeks. First time I’ve ever had to inject myself. No reoccurrence. I was 37 at the time