I’m sure there’s lots we can agree upon…kj
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I want my daughter to have an upbringing similar to mine, because mine for the most part was really good. I felt secure and loved at all times.
He is not her natural father and does not have any legal rights as far as she is concerned. If I die, she is an orphan.
I say superficial, because it does not actually change they way we feel about each other, it only changes a perception others have about us…kj
In about 2 hours I will be running around the park kicking a ball having fun with my daughter and her soccer team, I’m the assistant coach. Hundreds of other kids willbe doing the same this afternoon at the same park…kj
I want my daughter to have an upbringing similar to mine, because mine for the most part was really good. I felt secure and loved at all times.
And so, as I read it, you’re saying that marriage will help your daughter feel loved and secure. Which is something I agree with.
He is not her natural father and does not have any legal rights as far as she is concerned.
He does not have to be her natural father to have legal rights. Adoption, you know. It isn’t just for little Chinese girls.
it only changes a perception others have about us.
As I said, I think you might be underestimating the importance of other’s perceptions on your own emotions. Regardless, the perception of others is important. You’ve already mentioned the perception of your daughter, for example.
Just so we are clear about the Puritanical fantasyland you live in: you believe that nobody should have sex of any kind outside of a marriage?
I’m not really in disagreement here. I think marriage is good and for the aforementioned reasons would like to be married. However, I don’t think everyone has to be married to have a healthy relationship. I don’t think my relationship is unhealthy as it stands. Too many people get married for the wrong reasons and/or to the the wrong people. When I compare my relationship to the relatioships of some of my married friends, I see that mine is much stronger. I don’t like other people pushing their ideals into my life. I don’t believe that pre-marital sex is the downfall of our civilization…kj
<I know you were asking Vitus about his particular puritanical fantasyland but I’ll just jump in and say that in my case…>
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Just so we are clear about the Puritanical fantasyland you live in: you believe that nobody should have sex of any kind outside of a marriage?
That belief wasn’t so “puritanical” a few years ago. What’s changed?
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Slightly more than half of American teenagers, ages 15 to 19, have engaged in oral sex, with females and males reporting similar levels of experience…"
that’s good to know. Can you imagine…Slightly more than half of American teenagers, ages 15 to 19, have engaged in oral sex, with males reporting twelve times as much experience as females…"
or do they refer to the qualitative pleasure of the experience…amazing, good, bad?
(and yes, I’m just kidding)
You don’t? wow.
~Matt
You know I just looked at that complete study. What I found more interesting was the following (my highlight)
Sexual orientation
In response to a question that asked, “Do you think of yourself as heterosexual, homosexual, bisexual, or something else?” 90 percent of men 18-44 years of age responded that they think of themselves as heterosexual, 2.3 percent of men answered homosexual, 1.8 percent bisexual, 3.9 percent “something else,” and 1.8 percent did not answer the question (figure 8). Percents for women were similar. These findings are similar to data collected in 1992 by Laumann et al.
This seems to be in conflict with the Gay/Lesbian propoganda which says 10% or more of the population is homosexual.
I wouldn’t doubt this at all.
KEJ,
i’m with you on this one. i would rather talk with my kids about sex then have a pregnant teenager all of a sudden. and maybe i’m one of the few, but i think it is important to have a sexual relationship with someone prior to marriage. i even think it’s important to live with a person prior to marriage. (flame away on that one! 
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and i agree, not all sexually active teenagers are promiscuous. i believe that teen agers are going to try to have sex–and they need to be equipped with knowledge about sex in order to make good decisions. saying, “just don’t do it” is impractical and not reality. i’m sure most people on this site had sex while in high school, be it in a more serious relationship (yes high school kids can be serious), or otherwise.
also i’ll probaby really get flamed for this, but i don’t think that sex is a mistake just because someone is a teenager–in context of a loving relationship. i had sex with a boyfriend in high school, and we very much loved each other…looking back i wouldn’t change anything about that as it was a wonderful experience in young love. we were responsible young adults.
but getting back to the reality of kids having sex, my best friend is a techer and she has told me that girls are getting their periods earlier and earlier (some 2nd and 3rd grade), and that by 5th or 6th grade, alot of students have engaged in some sort of sexual activity. that is the shocking reality.
"also i’ll probaby really get flamed for this, but i don’t think that sex is a mistake just because someone is a teenager–in context of a loving relationship. "
I’ll admit that my first time, I was completely freaked out. She started it! Funny thing is, sometimes I still find myself thinking about her.
All I see are results. I see high divorce rates (often linked to promiscuity before marriage), high teenage pregnancy, high teenage suicide etc. Yet people continue to support the notion that this type of open society and relaxing of certain moral standards is good. You can talk about how conservative I and many others may be, but if the choice is between those standards and the degradation I see around me, I know what side of the fence I would like to be on.
What you call an “open society” is what most Europeans, I think, would call a “repressed society”.
Additionally, it may be superficial, but there is a certain amount of respect given to a marriage that is not given to non-married couples…kj
“Boss, I need to leave early because my husband has to work late” versus “Boss, I need to leave early because my boyfriend has to work late”…
You know I just looked at that complete study. What I found more interesting was the following (my highlight)
Sexual orientation
In response to a question that asked, “Do you think of yourself as heterosexual, homosexual, bisexual, or something else?” 90 percent of men 18-44 years of age responded that they think of themselves as heterosexual, 2.3 percent of men answered homosexual, 1.8 percent bisexual, 3.9 percent “something else,” and 1.8 percent did not answer the question (figure 8). Percents for women were similar. These findings are similar to data collected in 1992 by Laumann et al.
This seems to be in conflict with the Gay/Lesbian propoganda which says 10% or more of the population is homosexual.
I guess the others measured in
"Among adults ages 15 to 44, almost 3 percent of men and 4 percent of women reported having a sexual experience with a member of the same sex within the past year, and over their lifetimes, 6 percent of men and 11 percent of women had such experiences. About 1 percent of men and 3 percent of women had had both male and female sexual partners in the previous 12 months.
Nearly 6 percent of all men ages 15 to 44 reported having oral sex with another man at some time in their lives, and nearly 4 percent reported having anal sex with another man."
were just experimenting?
3.9% responded something else? and that would be?
and that’s a larger response than the homosexuals!
I wonder where these to fall in the statistics???
