They do look bulky. New bars would have to be designed to match them
Ok…then why didn’t SRAM do this concurrently to designing the brakes? They couldn’t get this done with ZIPP?
Zipp has great customer service that would answer that question. Let me know what they say when you contact them.
Exactly. All of that anti-disc brake mess and then Kiley proves everyone wrong…except me 
This just means we need new bars designed to work with these levers.
Is your interpretation of the test that disc brakes are faster?
From the Lava Magazine article
“Consistent braking in all conditions, it’s the perfect setup. I think once people try disc brakes, and experience the, they’ll realize how much they want it,†said Declan Doyle, marketing manager with Zipp and SRAM. “The future of the bicycle—for both road and tri—is with disc brakes.â€
I completely agree.
We know BryanD, you told us.
We know BryanD, you told us.
And I told you again
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Functionally I am sure they are great but man they look like shit installed.
It’s the first time it’s ever been done! Another generation or two and it will look even better.
Correction as it is not the first time it has been done but it is the first time they have done it and it looks like shit. Now this looks much better. Sram could have done something like this and designed it to allow install of the Blip if required.
Will that fit into any aerobar on the market? Or is that TRP specific?
I’m not trying to pile on here but serious question. What do you think the test proved with regard to you being “right”? I can’t remember exactly what you claimed with respect to P5x except that disc brakes are the thing of the future. I think there is relatively little debate about that point.
As to the test, it seems to me that it showed the P5x to be the fastest bike with that set up which doesn’t necessarily mean that disc brakes are the fastest set up. What am I missing in your point/chain of logic?
I’m not trying to pile on here but serious question. What do you think the test proved with regard to you being “right”? I can’t remember exactly what you claimed with respect to P5x except that disc brakes are the thing of the future. I think there is relatively little debate about that point.
As to the test, it seems to me that it showed the P5x to be the fastest bike with that set up which doesn’t necessarily mean that disc brakes are the fastest set up. What am I missing in your point/chain of logic?
Everyone claimed disc brakes were slow, P5-X wouldn’t beat the P5, etc. I said trust Cervelo’s engineering team and that disc brakes aren’t slow.
Exactly. All of that anti-disc brake mess and then Kiley proves everyone wrong…except me
This just means we need new bars designed to work with these levers.
Is your interpretation of the test that disc brakes are faster?
From the Lava Magazine article
“Consistent braking in all conditions, it’s the perfect setup. I think once people try disc brakes, and experience the, they’ll realize how much they want it,†said Declan Doyle, marketing manager with Zipp and SRAM. “The future of the bicycle—for both road and tri—is with disc brakes.â€
I completely agree.
Not really what i was referring to.
To be clear: Is your interpretation of the “aerobike-shootout-age-of-peak-aero test” that disc brakes are faster?
Anyway, the test obviously does not show that, and I was basically just trying to establish some common understanding for a future productive discussion.
Not sure but it looks much cleaner. Looks like it will only work with straight extensions but then again really the sram ones would only be practical on the say straight extensions or be a huge sales on an upturned extension.
Everyone claimed Cervelo rigged the test in their favor. Kiley tested with a minimalist setup to how he would race. The P5-X still came out on top.
Claiming “disc brakes are faster” is perhaps the wrong way to say that because the Andean didn’t beat the P5. A better way is “a bike designed around disc brakes” can be faster than rim brakes.
Everyone claimed Cervelo rigged the test in their favor. Kiley tested with a minimalist setup to how he would race. The P5-X still came out on top.
Claiming “disc brakes are faster” is perhaps the wrong way to say that because the Andean didn’t beat the P5. A better way is “a bike designed around disc brakes” can be faster than rim brakes.
First of all, the only question the test addresses specifically is which setup (as a whole) is fastest for the specific tester. Second, the two fastest full systems are within the margin of error, so statistically they are not significantly different.
You may be convinced one of two fastest systems is indeed the fastest, and it may be true. The P5x certainly trends in the right direction. But utilizing that conclusion to say anything specifically about disc brakes is completely unfounded.
Everyone claimed Cervelo rigged the test in their favor. Kiley tested with a minimalist setup to how he would race. The P5-X still came out on top.
Claiming “disc brakes are faster” is perhaps the wrong way to say that because the Andean didn’t beat the P5. A better way is “a bike designed around disc brakes” can be faster than rim brakes.
First of all, the only question the test addresses specifically is which setup (as a whole) is fastest for the specific tester. Second, the two fastest full systems are within the margin of error, so statistically they are not significantly different.
You may be convinced one of two fastest systems is indeed the fastest, and it may be true. The P5x certainly trends in the right direction. But utilizing that conclusion to say anything specifically about disc brakes is completely unfounded.
I feel like this is appropriate here.
I feel like this is appropriate here.
spot on!
Ok but you do realize, again, that the tedt didn’t show that disc brakes are fastest, only that the P5x, as an entire unit, is the fastest. While some may have argued that wouldn’t happen because of the disc brakes (and so they were “wrong”), likewise the conclusion that the test proves disc brakes are the fastest is also faulty.
Ok but you do realize, again, that the tedt didn’t show that disc brakes are fastest, only that the P5x, as an entire unit, is the fastest. While some may have argued that wouldn’t happen because of the disc brakes (and so they were “wrong”), likewise the conclusion that the test proves disc brakes are the fastest is also faulty.
Which is why I corrected myself earlier in the thread. A bicycle designed around disc brakes can be faster than a rim brake version. Does that make everyone happy? I assumed you all knew what I meant by saying disc brakes can be faster but I guess not.
Ok but you do realize, again, that the tedt didn’t show that disc brakes are fastest, only that the P5x, as an entire unit, is the fastest. While some may have argued that wouldn’t happen because of the disc brakes (and so they were “wrong”), likewise the conclusion that the test proves disc brakes are the fastest is also faulty.
Which is why I corrected myself earlier in the thread. A bicycle designed around disc brakes can be faster than a rim brake version. Does that make everyone happy? I assumed you all knew what I meant by saying disc brakes can be faster but I guess not.
No, again this is wrong. To show that would require you designed two new bicycles from the ground up (by the same team, same resources, etc etc), with the only difference in design parameters being a) must have disc brakes and b) must have rim brakes.
As long as you mix all of these things up, it is very difficult to have a relevant discusion, about anything.