So you're thinking about buying a Cervelo P2

Excellent choice!

It’s a great bike as standard, at an awesome price. But there are some components that a lot of experienced riders will want to upgrade straightaway. Even inexperienced riders will find themselves wanting to get rid of them when they begin to improve and start to notice the little things!

I thought I’d share my experience with upgrading a few bits and pieces of my P2 to get it to where I want it. More experienced STers probably won’t get much from this, but if you’re in the market and considering this bike (and just about everyone who is buying a TT bike in its price bracket would look at the P2) then it might help you.

I’ve always found the ST community to be a great source of information, so this is my way of giving back and contributing to the knowledge base!

PARTS TO UPGRADE

#1 - The Brakes & Brake Levers
The bike comes with FSA Gossamer brakes, which I found to be simply awful. They just don’t slow the bike down quickly enough. I had the same experience with them on my Cervelo S2, so I swapped the calipers out for Shimano 105 (£60). The braking still wasn’t quite there, so I upgraded the profile design levers for these 3T levers (£47) that were recommended in a thread on Slowtwitch. Now things are working very nicely, the 3T levers are better looking and probably more aero, so perhaps I’ve saved myself 0.5 of a watt there.

When I got the bike it had come with US-style brakes (right hand rear), which meant that cables had to cross over in front of the headtube. I’ve now also switched this back to normal, which has cleaned up the front end a little more.

#2 - The crankset
With the size 56 frame, I got a 52/36, 170mm FSA gossamer crankset. I have always ridden a 172.5mm, so upgraded that to Shimano 105 (£105) as well. This needed an adapter (£35).

It’s not just the crank length though, for some reason I just prefer the feel of Shimano cranksets. I’m sure someone reading this will be itching to tell me there’s no way I could possibly notice a difference between the two and offer some highly technical explanation about why, but for whatever reason it seems to feel nicer to me.

#3 - The aerobars
The aero extensions are pretty standard. However, the base bar on the P2 feels a little narrow when you grip it, and this can be pretty uncomfortable. Granted, this sometimes helps you as you should be reminded not to stick the the aerobars, but when you’re on the way out of a city through traffic, or riding in a group, base bar is is! I’ve changed to Cinelli gel cork tape (£10) which makes a big difference - but the next thing I’d want to upgrade on this bike would be the aerobars.

I also found that when I had the aerobars in the position that was comfy for me, the base bar was a little high. This made it hard to get my weight in the right position to steer through technical sections and descents. So I bought some risers for the aerobars (£20), which meant I could drop the base bar without changing the position of the elbow pads and extensions.

With all the metal in the front end, things can get a bit chattery on a bumpy road. Not in a ‘road buzz’ sort of way, but you really feel the knocks coming up through the fork. This was much improved by some latex tubes!

#4 - The Stem
Wanted a longer one, so got it. Not a criticism of the bike here, just a fit thing. Any stem will do but I bought a 3T one on sale for £40.

#5 - The Wheels
I wanted a fast wheelset, so went for a Hed Jet Plus, 6/9 combo. Conti GP Force/Attack tyre combo was recommended by HED, so that’s what I went with. No problems at all with this wheelset, the frame and forks accommodate them quite nicely. The original brakes struggled to get wide enough to fit them, but it was no problem with the 105s.

#6 - The saddle
It’s the case with any TT bike that you’d be lucky if the saddle fits you perfectly. I had to change out the stock fizik arione, and am currently testing a fizik tritone. This is a totally personal thing, so ignore what I’ve done.

#7 - Other bits and pieces
I use my Garmin Vector S on this bike when I need it, and have added Torhans’ bento and aero bottle, and a profile design FC35 bta bottle.

WHY NOT A P3?
For me, initially, price was a big factor. I’m from Australia, living in the UK, and because of the state of various currencies it made the most sense to buy the bike on a recent trip to the US. So there was a US$1500 difference between the P2 and P3.

Excluding things I would have upgraded on a P3 anyway (power meter, wheels, aero accessories, saddle, stem), I’ve spent about £280 (US$440) upgrading bits and pieces (actually I probably spent a bit less by buying things when they were on sale). Granted, my aerobar and groupset is not quite as nice as the P3, but it’s at a level that I’m happy with, and I’m generally a guy who is fussy about these things.

So I’ve basically built myself a ‘P2.5’ for about US$1000 less than I would have had to spend on a P3. Depending on which power meter and aero accessories you go for (and whether or not things are on sale) that $1k would cover just about everything else I bought except the wheelset.

I did all the mechanical work on this myself. That required a torque wrench, some allen keys, cable cutters, and the odd bit of youtubing to see how things were done. It took some time, but I enjoyed the tinkering and learning. It’s worth noting that it’s an incredibly easy bike to work on, pull apart, put back together etc. which matters when you’re travelling to races!

PHOTOS
Here’s what it looks like (it could use a wash but not too bad at the moment):

Front end (and yes, for the hawkeyes out there I’ve noticed the bars aren’t perfectly centred!):
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/800x600q90/537/a9mdcy.jpg

Side view of components etc:
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/800x600q90/540/swiwSY.jpg

CONCLUSIONS
The P2 has been great, can’t recommend it enough.

The upgrade process I’ve gone through has been fun, and really improved the bike a lot. The ONLY drawback is that now it’s a little heavy. But that’s only compared to my Cervelo S2 with di2 and DA C24 wheels! I also wish I could’ve got the black version, but it came out a couple of months later. Oh well.

In terms of helping buyers choose:

- If you’re tossing up between a P2 and a P3, you basically need to work out whether you’re willing and able to put a little bit of time in to order some parts online and do some wrench work. If you are, you can save some money. If you can’t be bothered, and the extra cost isn’t a worry for you, I’d say go for the P3.

- If you’re tossing up between the P2 and a slightly cheaper bike, I’d say it’s worth the stretch to go for the P2 if you can. It gives you the platform to build a seriously nice bike over time. As an example of how good it can get check out this great piece that tririg did where they built up a P2 to see how could it could be. Perhaps I’ll get mine to that level someday!

Anyway thanks for reading, hope this was helpful for someone.

Thanks, nice write up. Btw, your pictures aren’t working for me.

I have also been thinking about a P2 with a full strip and upgrade to Di2, new cockpit as well as aero center pull brakes. However, with the Felt IAx coming out, makes that decision a little harder. The Cervelo P2 sure is a great frame.

Great post. I recently bought a 2015 P2 and my friend who works at the bike shop mentioned several of these points when I bought it. The only thing I’ve swapped out thus far is the saddle but I have intentions to making more upgrades over the next few months as my budget recovers from the initial purchase.

edit: and yes, pictures aren’t working for me either.

Hopefully have pics fixed now, although they’re not that exciting!

I agree the P2 is a great base bike. I have had no issues with the brakes. Just put on different brake pads.
Put on a longer stem.
Put on a square Tapered BB so I could install my 200mm crank arms.
Changed the RD so I could use my 11/32 cassette
One bike is a training bike so left the wheels along but put different tires on.
The other I use my zipp wheels.
Left everything 10 speed.
Put the rubber slid on parts to the brake levers so they did not cut in to my hand

Pics are still down
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I grabbed a 2013 P2 on closeout a few months ago. I wasn’t happy at first, but after swapping out the saddle and a proper fit, I’m ecstatic. I agree the breaks could use and upgrade, and I think I’ll look at a new wheel set next year. But for the money I’m really happy with what you get.

i think you’re spot-on with your analysis. i would just add that, per a couple of articles up on the site today and day before yesterday, the list of “platform” bikes is growing. argon 18’s new E-117, Felt’s IA 16, QR’s PRfive, are 3 of a number of good platforms. are they better than the P2? they’re at least in the discussion. the P2 is still the platform, no question, when you buy it at a discount as some in this thread have done. but when you consider all these bikes at their standard in-season pricing there is no clear obvious choice.

Thanks, nice write up. Btw, your pictures aren’t working for me.

I have also been thinking about a P2 with a full strip and upgrade to Di2, new cockpit as well as aero center pull brakes. However, with the Felt IAx coming out, makes that decision a little harder. The Cervelo P2 sure is a great frame.

That would basically be the P2 in the tririg link towards the end of my OP. If you haven’t seen that, check it out to see what you’d be getting yourself into.

Great write up! I’m looking to pick one up as well here soon and hopefully train on it all off season for next year! Great tip on the crank setup I was wondering how I could run shimano cranks vs FSA (to pair with my stages PM).

Stay tuned, I just bought a 2014 P2 2 weeks ago, I have upgraded it and will write a detailed reply about my upgrades to this post this weekend.

Quick question that I hope you guys could chime in on… What’s a fair price for a 2014 10 speed P2? The local one sitting at my LBS seems like a good deal but I’m trying to guess what that threshold is for a last gen bike with upgrades in mind.

BTW I was quoted a $2300 usd for the 2014 at my LBS. Unless that was for the 2015 model, which I doubt.

Quick question that I hope you guys could chime in on… What’s a fair price for a 2014 10 speed P2? The local one sitting at my LBS seems like a good deal but I’m trying to guess what that threshold is for a last gen bike with upgrades in mind.

I paid $1899 US Dollars for a 2014 a month ago. Took a lot of internet searching and phone calls to dealers, but I found one. It was a 2 hour drive away, but worth it.

That would basically be the P2 in the tririg link towards the end of my OP. If you haven’t seen that, check it out to see what you’d be getting yourself into.

Yeah, that TriRig setup is basically what I would be interested in. No offense, I think your bike looks awesome, but for me I’m not a big fan of the white and blue. Partly why I am still not sure what I want to do. The white + blue P2 I can get for a good discount from the Cervelo dealer. Just not a big fan of the way it looks.

http://i.imgur.com/1jHrjan.jpg?1

I wouldn’t mind doing something like TriRig did by stripping the paint, putting on some ghost decals and spraying a clear coat. However, I wouldn’t really feel like spending $500-700 for the paint job to keep the warranty (Hot Tubes).

The black P2 looks great, but no discounts on it yet. Would probably have to wait another 12 months before those go on any kind of a discount.

http://i.imgur.com/RBE1887.jpg?1

#1 - The Brakes & Brake Levers
When I got the bike it had come with US-style brakes (right hand rear), which meant that cables had to cross over in front of the headtube. I’ve now also switched this back to normal, which has cleaned up the front end a little more.

This is an interesting statement. I was under the impression that right hand rear brakes were normal around the world. I don’t know about the engineering aspects, but as 90% of the population is right handed, it only makes sense that the stronger hand should have the harder pull (longer cable/housing omakes the rear brake harder to pull on most bicycles).

I got a p2 and threw new front end, power, disc/deep front, saddle, and aero hydration/bento but my position is not as aero as i would like might get a longer/lower frame eventually if i can’t get this to work like cd0.1 or focus frame
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but when you consider all these bikes at their standard in-season pricing there is no clear obvious choice.

Looking at the Argon18 tunnel data you posted, which we have to be a little cautious of until protocol details are released.
First thought is that it’s great that Argon have lifted their game so much

Second thought is “let’s digitise those graphs and do something interesting with them”

http://i59.tinypic.com/51yiqt.png
Using the Mavic Kona yaw data from a couple of years back (resampled into 5deg bins)

Looking at the E-117 to E-119 there is a 6w difference at 35kph.
Nick @Tririg tested* the P2 with upgrades to be as fast (or actually faster in Kona conditions) as the P5. But the P2 has the capability to change calipers as well as bars, whereas the E-117 can only change the bars.
Looking at previous Tririg bar testing - going from Vuka Alumina (similar profile to the Vision Trimax MKII on the Argon) is 3w @35kph @Kona.

Which leads to two conclusions;

  1. cheaper is better (for the bike) if it allows you to upgrade the bars. In the context of saving 0.1w for $1100 going from the E-117 to the E-117 plus - 3W by spending 700-1000 on bars is good value.

  2. available info suggests the P2 (with upgrades, as you’re suggesting for this ‘platform’ bike class) still wins on speed vs many (most?) competitors. As well as having a bigger size range.

*with the caveat that he tested at FASTER, which lessens the value of the info somewhat.

Thanks for sharing this with us, here is my P2 right before Timberman. I’m going to be making some similar upgrades myself including brakes, levers, and cranks. I’ve already swapped out the saddle to an ISM, longer stem, wheels, and upgraded base bar. This is my first tri bike so I don’t have anything to compare it too but I love the bike so far and am seeing some success aboard her. http://i61.tinypic.com/90bp89.jpg

Looks great. I like the colors better than the black.

I have changed nothing on the front end. Works fine for me just as it is. Got to stop spending money at some point. :slight_smile:

I see you did not cut your front fork tube. I have one cut and one uncut. Not going to cut so there is flexibility.

“available info suggests the P2 (with upgrades, as you’re suggesting for this ‘platform’ bike class) still wins on speed vs many (most?) competitors. As well as having a bigger size range.”

in the tables in your post there wasn’t anything on the P2, so what numbers are you using for your statement?

i haven’t seen a lot of tests showing the P2 and P3, but what i have shows about 625g at 0° and 550g at 7.5°. do you have better or more recent numbers than this? this would, according to Felt’s data, place it roughly in better than the DA, maybe around the shiv, not nearly as good as the IA, especially at 7.5°.

with the PRfive, for example, which just based on comparing all these various tests (which may be highly dubious, but if we’re going to play the game) would seem to have, what, maybe a 25w lead in a 0° yaw on the P2, and then the PRfive matches the cervelo P5 at 7.5°. neither the PRfive nor the P2 has a center pull front brake. how does the P2 catch up to the PRfive?

i can see how it catches up the E117, maybe, with the center pull brake, but by the time you do this, upgrade to Ultegra, you’re probably at the price of an E117.