So about those "checklists" when it comes to dating

Ran across this article and though I’d pass it along to those of you with “deal killers checklists” when it comes to relationships.

The secret to meeting your match
By Arthur Jeon

“I don’t know…Carol seems fine, but she doesn’t seem like she’d be the type of person who would like to go camping,” my friend Charlie said.

Charlie was telling me about a woman he’d just started dating. He had quite a clear picture of the woman he wanted: petite, spiritual, healthy, and into the outdoors.

“Charlie, when was the last time you went camping?” I asked.

“Last summer.” It was now February.

“So…you go camping one or twice a year?” I asked Charlie, who nodded. “And you’re going to make this a deal-breaker, this idea you have about going out with a woman who loves to camp, when you only go once or twice a year yourself?”

Charlie looked at me, shaking his head. “I guess I sound kind of crazy.”

Yes. But we all sound crazy at some point or another. We are told to make a list of qualities we want a prospective mate to have. This sounds great in theory, clarifying what we want a mate to be like, eliminating the qualities that we don’t want. But while it can be useful to hold a vision of the qualities we desire, it can also be quite limiting. That’s because if we have a strict idea of what the other person should look like, then we might miss out on the living and breathing person right in front of us.

It’s pretty rare that people find the perfect person they’ve been dreaming of their entire life. Finding a partner is about seeing the other person for their innate qualities and not for how much they match up against your checklist, which, after all, could be very limited. Perhaps you haven’t even imagined who it is that might be right for you. Or perhaps you’re too focused on irrelevant qualities like a mutual interest in camping. Either way, you end up approaching the world with expectations, which limits your ability to see reality.

So rather than making a list of the qualities you want, like “handsome” or “smart” or “sexy” or “loves to travel,” try to think in terms of values. Does the person you are considering share the same values you do? Because they could be handsome, smart, sexy and a real globe-trotter, but if they don’t share your values, that is, what you find valuable, then you will have a very long slog. I know a woman who had created a list describing the man of her dreams, including “spiritual,” “well-traveled,” and “creative.” And the man she married is all these things, but he’s also a workaholic, impatient, unable to relax, not comfortable with intimacy and doesn’t want to have children. They have been together for three years and haven’t had a moment’s peace.

So put aside the list-making. It’s better to wake up so you can see the people who show up in your life as they really are. In this way you can see them clearly and compassionately. This will also help you make good decisions in choosing a partner.

Making lists can lead to a kind of narrowness of vision that might eliminate the right person. Waking up means setting aside your prejudices, your ideas of what should be, and even your ideas about what you think you want. Then who knows what can happen—because you’re not limiting your view of what is possible.

shoot this is nothing I have a friend who has some serious criteria for chicks, like they have to run a sub 40 10k, do like 10 pull-ups, and the list goes on. It’s quite funny and needless to say he’s been single for a while! :smiley:

I think some STer’s have quite the checklists…

http://forum.slowtwitch.com/gforum.cgi?do=post_view_flat;post=463526;page=1;sb=post_latest_reply;so=ASC;mh=25;

So his 1st dates are always at a track with a stop watch? How romantic!..kj

huh, i missed the whole checklist thread.

1)intellectually appealing
2)physically appealing

should cover it.

LOL!! I never thought about that! My friend and I did a 10K run with him on the 4th of July and she ran a 39:XX and afterwards she was jumping up and down as she met one of his criteria! Not that she wants to date him, but it was just funny to meet an item on the checklist!

I can just imagine him at a bar: “Hey baby, what’s your PR?”
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I can just imagine him at a bar: “Hey baby, what’s your PR?”


Problem with that is, some people, believe it or not, tend to exaggerate their skills. He would be better off cruising the local 10 K road race scene and checking out the women who come in sub-40. As they are standing there at the finish gasping for breath he can swoop in with a “How you doin?..want a Gu pack?”

The pullup criteria comes from a buddy at work who once told his wife, “I’m going to divorce you if you can’t do 10 pullups by the end of the year”. She wasn’t sure if he was kidding or not so she started working hard at it and got up to 7. I thought it was a pretty cool addition, so I kept it.

The actual list isn’t a set of criteria, but more a rankings system where points are awarded for various levels of proficiency. 10 pullups being a full 5 points, sub 40 10k is another 5, then there is the 40k tt or Palomar climb (whichever is faster) and the swim (which still needs more flushing out as I need to develop some way to reward those who aren’t afraid of a surf entry). The intention would be to make full points across the board as near-impossible as can be.

I don’t think I really need to mention that this is all just a silly little game that I play that in no way reflects any “actual” criteria. The only “actual” criteria I have is do we enjoy hanging out or do we piss each other off.

My friends and I have this rule that the guys we will end up with should know how to do a cartwheel.

If they don’t know how to do one - they should at least try to learn it. Willingness to look stupid is a good trait to have. And of course, athleticism.

And me I personally don’t trust people who don’t eat Japanese food. Or who are not willing to give it a try.

Checklists are a must for me. My checklists revolve around my interests which are defined by my values. Lame article, ppl should never settle.

I’d like to once ask a chick if she liked camping and her response to be, "As in car-camping? Where u load ur damn house into ur SUV, drive to the trailhead, park, and enjoy the great outdoors? No, I don’t do that. That’s for lame suburbanites but if you ever want to discuss lightweight gear and backpacking give me a call. "

Oh that would be tops!!!

LOL ! That’s excellent !!

I hope you find that girl, she sounds awesome :slight_smile:

You will not see a guy like this in a bar hes to busy planning his next workout or going out the door for a ride/run/swim
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“Making lists can lead to a kind of narrowness of vision that might eliminate the right person. Waking up means setting aside your prejudices, your ideas of what should be, and even your ideas about what you think you want.”

Okay, so I should put aside my criteria of “non-smoker”, put up with the gross smell, have second-hand smoke around me and my daughter (risking the health of BOTH of us), just so I can meet the “right” person (who would be a self-absorbed b!tch for smoking around some one who clearly dispises such things).

Right.

A couple training buddies and me had this ongoing joke about our ideal women: She had to be hot, a serious triathlete, have a succssesful career, a farm in the country and a lap pool. One day we had a new guy on our long ride and he over heard me mentioning my criteria. He got a funny look on his face and asked her name, thinking it was a woman I was actually dating. I said “I don’t know. I haven’t met her yet”. As it turned out, I had actually described his girl friend and he, briefly, thought I was moving in on her. We all got a good laugh.

Must have always been female - currently being female is not good enough.

Hair must be longer than her finger nails.

Must not currently be under any kind of state care.

Must not be involved in any way with a man who can legally kill me at any time - (CIA, SS, MIB, etc)

Styrrell

and breathing is a good trait too…must be breathing…on her own (no use of respirators here)…brain function is optional (especially to be dating a triathlete).

If I ever manage to finish building that time machine I’ve been working on, I’m going to email my 2002 self that article. Good stuff. Thanks for posting it!

(But I agree with the other poster who said that you still have to be able to make a few list items. The “non-smoker” item is totally legitimate, as would be “no eating disorders”, “no abusers”, or other obvious non-qualifiers)

Man, I feel so sorry for so many racers. In the 8 years I have been doing Tri’s, my wife has only missed one race with me. We look around at so many people who are there by themselves and feel so sorry for them. I can not tell you how nice it is for my wife to always be there cheering for me on, video taping me, always supporting me!! And, I have supported her in doing some events, even though she has no skills in sports. Well, guess I take that back. She kicks my butt in DDR, video games, cards.

My wife is going to be 50 in October, and I have spent the last six months working on material for a this is your life video. I have gotten slides back to when she was first born, to now. As I type, I am doing my first encoding for the DVD I will produce. I am married to the best angel in the world, and never say enough thanks for all the things she does for me. Us engineers are not real romantic. :o(

Dave

That’s quite an interesting and timely article.

What happens when one person takes the “values” approach and the other takes the “checklist” approach? Any thoughts in this situation?

XX likes XY because XY is kind, generous and open-minded.

XY likes XX because XX is willing to learn how to use a drill, likes to eat well and looks good in jeans.