Sir Edmund Hillary

We’re all into goals and achieving them…Sir Edmund Hillary, the guy who probably made the ultimate goal by which all other goals are measured, passes away at 88

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/7182376.stm

The scale of the achievement of him and Tenzing to me remains somewhat unfathomable. In my view is is one of the great landmark achievements of the past 100 years on par both physically and psychologically with: Putting Neil Armstrong on the moon Chuck Yeager breaking the speed of sound Roger Bannister’s sub 4 minute mile
I can’t really think of anything with the same impact on the human psych as Everest.

Already been posted in the Lavender Room.

WOW, Thanks. I did not know that a man of his accomplishments should "only be in the lavender room. Am glad you pointed out this reduntancy. This gentleman desreves more respect than that. Not only the climb, but the years of charity he gave to the sherpa’s.

In my view is is one of the great landmark achievements of the past 100 years on par both physically and psychologically with: Putting Neil Armstrong on the moon Chuck Yeager breaking the speed of sound Roger Bannister’s sub 4 minute mile
I can’t really think of anything with the same impact on the human psyche as Everest.

Mallory got up first … they just didn’t come down.

Armstrong … never happened
Yeager … German test pilots did it first, but died due to G-Shock
Bannister was paced by :50 1/4-milers

Never underestimate the brutal power of the British press … they killled Diana, remember?

In my view is is one of the great landmark achievements of the past 100 years on par both physically and psychologically with: Putting Neil Armstrong on the moon Chuck Yeager breaking the speed of sound Roger Bannister’s sub 4 minute mile
I can’t really think of anything with the same impact on the human psyche as Everest.

Mallory got up first … they just didn’t come down.

Armstrong … never happened
Yeager … German test pilots did it first, but died due to G-Shock
Bannister was paced by :50 1/4-milers

Never underestimate the brutal power of the British press … they killled Diana, remember?
I would say the Wright Brothers flight was a bigger achievement in the 20th century along with Lindberg’s flight across the Atlantic.

I thought the concensus was that Mallory didn’t actually make it???

Anyway, Chuck yeager figured out, as he was losing control and threatening to crash, that moving the entire horizontal stabilizer instead of just the elevators, gave him control of the X1. The mechanism for that was some kind of adjuster, and not meant for controlling the plane, but it was the breakthrough that is now used on all supersonic aircraft and even helped the later model F86 Sabers control their high speed dives and thus gave them an advantage over the more agile, but less stable MIG.

“Why… because it’s there”
-George Mallory

One of the best quotes ever. Perhaps the ones that inspired Hillary to climb.

being a New Zealander I am very sad to hear of his passing.

He is/was pretty much our best role model.

So many of todays role models have dubious backgrounds, which is a sign of the times(the world moves on).

It is really alot of what Hillary did after conquering Everest that is his lasting legacy.

www.triathlonshots.com

Even quoted him a few weeks back in my blog!

‘We knocked the bastard off’ were some of his words on getting to the top with Tenzing Norgay.

Out of interest there was a man in the South of N.Z who was developing a plane at the same time as the Wright brothers and had it it in the air before them. The distance was said to be limited and they recreated his plane to try an prove it. I guess you would need a photo with the date on it for people to believe to rewite the history books… he didn’t die flying it… so I guess it does count…

Randymar, like getting to T2, getting to the top of Everest and not making it back, breaking the sound barrier and not landing your airplane intact, or making it to the moon and not coming back is only part of the challenge…from T2, you still have to complete a marathon and obviously for these feats of human endeavour, you have to make it back. I have the utmost respect to Mallory and his guys, but you have to make it back alive to tell the tale for it to really count…lots of smart men have made the wise decision and turned about 100m from the summit because they knew it would be impossible to make it home.

As for posting in the Lavendar room, I felt it has enough link to the goal setting and pacing side of triathlon to merits discussion on the main forum.

In my view is is one of the great landmark achievements of the past 100 years on par both physically and psychologically with: Putting Neil Armstrong on the moon Chuck Yeager breaking the speed of sound Roger Bannister’s sub 4 minute mile
I can’t really think of anything with the same impact on the human psyche as Everest.

Mallory got up first … they just didn’t come down.

Armstrong … never happened
Yeager … German test pilots did it first, but died due to G-Shock
Bannister was paced by :50 1/4-milers

Never underestimate the brutal power of the British press … they killled Diana, remember?
I would say the Wright Brothers flight was a bigger achievement in the 20th century along with Lindberg’s flight across the Atlantic.

A lot of these comments are redundant…the word “physically” was used. I don’t see much physical in driving a car, plane or space craft, compared to walking up a mountain. People still struggle on Everest 55 years later, yet sitting in a car and plane are done by everyone, everyday?!

Sad to hear of his death. He was quite the explorer and humanitarian. We only hear of his early days

First, I think Hillary is one the true greats. These days, everyone celebrates so many mundane accomplishments as something great. Hillary and Norgay did something truely great, that required enormous amounts of skill, endurance, intelligence and bravery. They did something that nobody else had ever successfully accomplished and that others had died trying to do, and the whole world celebrated them for accomplishing something good.

Second, did Randymar claim that Neil Armstrong did not walk on the moon???

I think Randymar claimed that Armstrong did not walk on the moon.

I put “Armstrong on the moon” on that list because it falls into the same category of “human achievement of earthshattering proportions”. Armstrong stepping on the moon is only the tip of the iceberg of a massive team effort of hundreds of engineers, technicians, medical staff, accountants and even politicians. Just like Hillary and Tenzing summitting Everest, there was an entire team that helped put them there…sure they had to do the final part themselves, but make no mistake that it was a team effort…same Chuck Yeager…the common thread for 3 of the items I listed was a huge goal, that no one previously achieved, requiring a massive well oiled machine firing on all cyclinders and the bravery to actually risk trying it knowing that you could die trying (yes for Armstrong, yes for Hillary, yes for Chuck Yeager).

Bannister, on the other hand is an example of human breaking through mental barriers. Up to then, the common notion was that 4 minutes was beyond the realm of human performance EVER.

Kind of cool that the year after Hillary got to Everest, Bannister did his sub 4 miles…now sub 4 mile is “nothing”…here is the Wikipedia account:

The 4-minute mile http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/79/Iffley_Road_Track%2C_Oxford_-_blue_plaque.JPG/250px-Iffley_Road_Track%2C_Oxford_-_blue_plaque.JPG* * Blue plaque recording the first ever sub-4-minute mile run by Roger Bannister on 6 May 1954 at Oxford University’s Iffley Road Track.
This historic event took place on May 6, 1954 during a meet between British AAA and Oxford University at Iffley Road Track in Oxford. It was watched by about 3,000 spectators. With winds up to 25 miles per hour (40 km/h) prior to the event, Bannister had said twice that he favoured not running, to conserve his energy and efforts to break the 4-minute barrier; he would try again at another meet. However, the winds dropped just before the race was scheduled to begin, and Bannister did run. His time was 3 min 59.4 s. Two other runners, Brasher and Chataway, provided pacing whilst completing the race. Both went on to establish their own track careers. The race was broadcast live by BBC Radio and commented on by Harold Abrahams, of “Chariots of Fire” fame.
The stadium announcer for the race was Norris McWhirter, who went on to publish and edit the Guinness Book of Records. He famously “teased” the crowd by drawing out the announcement of the time Bannister ran as long as possible:**
“Ladies and gentlemen, here is the result of event 9, the one-mile: 1st, No. 41, R.G. Bannister, Amateur Athletic Association and formerly of Exeter and Merton Colleges, Oxford, with a time which is a new meeting and track record, and which - subject to ratification - will be a new English Native, British National, All-Comers, European, British Empire, and World Record. The time was 3…”
The roar of the crowd drowned out the rest of the announcement.
The claim that a 4-minute mile was once thought to be impossible by informed observers was and is a widely propagated myth cooked up by sportswriters and debunked by Bannister himself in his memoir, The Four Minute Mile, 1955. The reason the myth took hold was that 4 minutes was a nice round number which was slightly better (1.4 seconds) than the world record for nine years—longer than it probably otherwise would have been because of the effect of World War II in interrupting athletic progress in the combatant countries. Note that the Swedish runners Gunder Hagg and Arne Andersson, in a series of head-to-head races in the period 1942–45, had already lowered the world mile record by 5 seconds to the pre-Bannister record. (See World record progression for the mile run.) What is still impressive to knowledgeable track fans is that Bannister ran a 4-minute mile on very low-mileage training by modern standards.
Just 46 days later on June 21 in Turku, Finland, Bannister’s record was broken by his rival John Landy of Australia, with a time of 3 min 57.9 s, which the IAAF ratified as 3 min 58.0 s due to the rounding rules then in effect.
** edit]** Bannister vs Landy “The Miracle Mile”*
On August 7, at the 1954 British Empire and Commonwealth Games in Vancouver, B.C., Bannister, running for England, competed against Landy for the first time in a race billed as “The Miracle Mile”. They were the only two men in the world to have broken the 4-minute barrier, with Landy still holding the world record. Landy led for most of the race, building a lead of 10 yards in the third lap (of four), but was overtaken on the last bend, and Bannister won in 3 min 58.8 s, with Landy 0.8 s behind in 3 min 59.6 s. Bannister and Landy have both pointed out that the crucial moment of the race was that at the moment when Bannister decided to try to pass Landy, Landy looked over his left shoulder to gauge Bannister’s position and Bannister burst past him on the right, never relinquishing the lead. A larger-than-life bronze sculpture of the two men at this moment was created by Vancouver sculptor Jack Harman in 1967 from a photograph by Vancouver Sun photographer Charlie Warner and stood for many years at the entrance to Empire Stadium; after the stadium was demolished the sculpture was moved a short distance away to the Hastings and Renfrew entrance of the Pacific National Exhibition (PNE) fairgrounds. Regarding this sculpture, Landy quipped that “While Lot’s wife was turned into a pillar of salt for looking back, I am probably the only one ever turned into bronze for looking back.”
Bannister went on that season to win the “metric mile”, the 1,500 m, at the European Championships in Berne on 29 August, with a championship record in a time of 3 min 43.8 s. He then retired from athletics to concentrate on his work as a junior doctor and to pursue a career in neurology.
He later became the first Chairman of the Sports Council (now called Sport England) and was knighted for these services in 1975. Under his aegis, central and local government funding of sports centres and other sports facilities was rapidly increased, and he also initiated the first testing for use of anabolic steroids in sport.
** edit]** Training anecdote*
As a medical student at St Mary’s Hospital, Paddington, Roger Bannister chose to use his lunch hour for a 9 minute jog to Paddington track, where he ran 10 X 400 m in about 60 s with two minutes rest, then he ran back to work. The whole procedure took 46 minutes, leaving him 14 minutes to eat his lunch.
John Landy ran the “Miracle Mile” with 4 stitches in his foot from stepping on a burst flash bulb before the race. It is in keeping with the spirit of the man that he never used this as an excuse for his defeat in this memorable race.
** edit]** Legacy*
On the 50th anniversary of running the 4-minute mile, Bannister was interviewed by the BBC’s sports correspondent Rob Bonnet. At the conclusion of the interview, Bannister was asked whether he looked back on the 4-minute mile as the most important achievement of his life. Bannister replied to the effect that ‘no, he rather saw his subsequent forty years of practicing as neurologist and some of the new procedures he introduced as being more significant’. His major contribution in academic medicine was in the field of autonomic failure, an area of neurology focusing on illnesses characterized by certain automatic responses of the nervous system (for example, elevated heart rate when standing up) not occurring.
For his efforts Sir Roger Bannister was also made the inaugural recipient of the Sports Illustrated Sportsman of the Year award in 1955 (he was given the award as the 1954 Sportsman of the Year but it was awarded in January, 1955) and is one of the few non-Americans recognized by the American published magazine as such.
Sir Roger Bannister is the subject of the ESPN movie “Four Minutes” (2005). This movie is a dramatization; its major departures from the factual record being the creation of a fictional character as Bannister’s coach, when this was actually Franz Stampfl, an Austrian, and secondly his meeting his spouse, Moyra Jacobsson, in the early 1950s, when in fact they met in London only a few months before the Miracle Mile itself took place.
The 50th anniversary of Sir Roger’s achievement was marked by a commemorative British 50 pence coin. The reverse of the coin shows the legs of a runner and a stop watch.
Bannister, arguably the most famous record-setter in the mile, is also the man who held the record for the least amount of time, at least since the IAAF started to ratify records. Of the 14 men who have set mile records under 4:00, he is the only one who never won an Olympic medal.
** edit]** Quotes* *“I knew I was very close. I did collapse at the end. If you don’t keep on running, keep your blood circulating…the muscles stop pumping the blood back, and you get dizzy. I did lose my sight for a bit because I was crowded in. Everybody rushed on to the track.” * *“I found longer races boring. I found the mile just perfect.” * *“The man who can drive himself further once the effort gets painful is the man who will win.” * *Roger Bannister on breaking the 4-minute mile (Cameron, 1993: 185): “No longer conscious of my movement, I discovered a new unity with nature. I had found a new source of power and beauty, a source I never dreamt existed.” *
Finally, see the quote on keeping the blood circulating and the muscles pumping the blood back…if you ever did an Ironman and stopped at an aid station this is exactly why it feels so hard to get going again! I also like his 10x400m in 60 second as part of his lunch hour routine…priceless!