Scary to think what this country would be like if there weren’t deterrents in place such as school police, building security protocols, mental health protocols, and the education and encouragement of students to report things they see and hear.
Imagine what’s deterred and stopped because of these protocols already in place … and then it’s really scary to think that the above isnt anywhere near enough to stop this chaos.
As long as we can buy an AR-15 and body armor there are no practical deterrents to keep people safe. We can build 1000+ bed mental health facilities on every street corner, it won’t make any difference.
it won’t make any difference.
Disagree. Per the OP’s point, there are documented cases where interventions probably prevent violence. (Impossible to say for sure, but sure seems likely).
It may not make sufficient or acceptable difference. But I’d have a hard time saying “no difference.”
My kids imagine what it would be like every time they have to do a drill at school. My daughter has anxiety at school, and this year she has a nice teacher who gave her a special code word in case my daughter gets locked outside a classroom during a drill.
There’s a wide ripple effect from the horrific trauma of each school shooting incident.
As long as we can buy an AR-15 and body armor there are no practical deterrents to keep people safe. We can build 1000+ bed mental health facilities on every street corner, it won’t make any difference.
This is absolute horseshit. Defending a hardened building instead of security theater would solve this problem.
No guns or off-duty rent seeking cops required.
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As long as we can buy an AR-15 and body armor there are no practical deterrents to keep people safe. We can build 1000+ bed mental health facilities on every street corner, it won’t make any difference.
This is absolute horseshit. Defending a hardened building instead of security theater would solve this problem.
No guns or off-duty rent seeking cops required.
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We can barely afford the school buildings we have now . . . the only physical deterrment would be several fortified machine guns per building.
it won’t make any difference.
Disagree. Per the OP’s point, there are documented cases where interventions probably prevent violence. (Impossible to say for sure, but sure seems likely).
It may not make sufficient or acceptable difference. But I’d have a hard time saying “no difference.”
Yes, I’m a tad over the top with the ‘any difference’ - - - but I just watched the press conference with Gov. Abbott and I was getting more and more pissed off at the pointing to mental health, and LA\Chicago instead of their own efforts to make it easier for people to get guns in Tx.
As long as we can buy an AR-15 and body armor there are no practical deterrents to keep people safe. We can build 1000+ bed mental health facilities on every street corner, it won’t make any difference.
This is absolute horseshit. Defending a hardened building instead of security theater would solve this problem.
No guns or off-duty rent seeking cops required.
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We can barely afford the school buildings we have now . . . the only physical deterrment would be several fortified machine guns per building.
That’s not how defense works.
Why are you in the nothing can get better camp.
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Unbelievable, really fortified buildings, arming teachers. You gotta be fricking kidding.
The issue is guns like AR15’s should not be available to the public. Stop trying to put a band-aid on a bullet wound. We need to stop the sell of these type of assault weapons.
it won’t make any difference.
Disagree. Per the OP’s point, there are documented cases where interventions probably prevent violence. (Impossible to say for sure, but sure seems likely).
It may not make sufficient or acceptable difference. But I’d have a hard time saying “no difference.”
Yes, I’m a tad over the top with the ‘any difference’ - - - but I just watched the press conference with Gov. Abbott and I was getting more and more pissed off at the pointing to mental health, and LA\Chicago instead of their own efforts to make it easier for people to get guns in Tx.
You know Abbott is a dishonest ghoul that doesn’t want to fix this because what mental health programs is he actually talking about? How is he getting people free mental health support?
He doesn’t care about the children murdered here. He cares about the support of the people that want this to happen.
Abbott is a freaking moron along with cruz and the worst might be dan patrick. Those three are a disgrace.
Unbelievable, really fortified buildings, arming teachers. You gotta be fricking kidding.
The issue is guns like AR15’s should not be available to the public. Stop trying to put a band-aid on a bullet wound. We need to stop the sell of these type of assault weapons.
No. You have no idea what you’re talking about. You’ve been brainwashed by movies and security theater.
Besides, if we have budget issues we can divert $$ from cops who make $200k per year but don’t do their jobs to people who will in the places they’re needed.
Defense is not security. A well defended building would be visually indistinguishable from a normal one unless you knew what you were looking for.
Defense is dynamic, security is static. Defense is prescriptive, security is descriptive. Defense is active, security is passive.
Trade dollars for space and space for time measured in units called “child-deaths†on a scale from zero kids to all the kids. How many “child-deaths†of “space-time†do we need to accomplish the mission “defend†and what $$ or other resources do we need to make it happen? You wouldn’t need to defend indefinitely, you’d just need to defend for 18-20 “child-deaths†worth of time (based on recent massacres) until LEO arrives on scene.
Gunfire defectors, auto locking doors, panic buttons, cameras, defense in depth with redundant and bulletproof entry points and internal segregation points, comms for teachers in mutually supporting classrooms, procedures for sweeping up straggler kids in hallways. Most of these resources are already on site just not arranged in the right spatial or sequential arrangement.
Bonus, you wouldn’t have to traumatize kids with cortisol drills every quarter.
That said, in 10 years an elementary kid will turn 18 and know the system from the inside out.
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My kids imagine what it would be like every time they have to do a drill at school. My daughter has anxiety at school, and this year she has a nice teacher who gave her a special code word in case my daughter gets locked outside a classroom during a drill.
There’s a wide ripple effect from the horrific trauma of each school shooting incident.
I feel for you (and your kids).
Last night I told my wife how sorry a state this country is in when I’m actually relieved my kids are out of school. Too much to worry about. 15-20 years ago we only worried that they’d get hurt during recess.
Abbott is a freaking moron along with cruz and the worst might be dan patrick. Those three are a disgrace.
They are not morons. They know what they are doing.
You are delusional and again doing nothing to solve the problem.
As someone already said, we can’t afford new schools as it it and you want to fortify them. You should quit before you further embarrass yourself.
I don’t have to imagine. I can take a plane trip to any number of countries where this kind of stuff happens only a few times in their lifetimes, not every couple of weeks.
Scary to think what this country would be like if there weren’t deterrents in place such as school police, building security protocols, mental health protocols, and the education and encouragement of students to report things they see and hear.
Imagine what’s deterred and stopped because of these protocols already in place … and then it’s really scary to think that the above isnt anywhere near enough to stop this chaos.
I don’t have to imagine what it would be like without those things as when I was growing up, we had none of those things. In all of the terrible sadness and anger because of this event, I still haven’t seen anyone address the issue of why these things are happening now and not in the 70’s and 80’s.
When I was growing up, as with many of you, guns were everywhere and very accessible to kids, teenagers, adutls etc. I grew up in Texas and gun laws were less restrictive then than they are now. We would dove hunt after HS and I parked my truck in school parking lot with shotguns and ammo at the ready all dove season. As did most of the guys in my class. Not once was I concerned about a school shooter and we had some pretty weird kids at our school. I was right not to be concerned because these things didn’t happen.
Why is that? What has changed between then ( guns everywhere) and now ( guns everywhere) that makes psychotic animals want to shoot up schools? Surely it is multi-factorial but we need to study this as much as anything. I suggest kids these days are largely seeing a darker world then we ( 80’s kids) grew up in. Although we had the cold war, we also had optimism about growing up, getting a job, getting married, having a family and living the american dream. The American dream was a wife, kids, boat on the weekend and vacation at the beach each summer. Maybe golf each sunday afternoon with the boys.
Kids currently only see fear porn all over the internet and social media about the word coming to an end because of climate change, race relations, discrimination, and all sorts of other things. They also see the juxtoposition of the very rich ( tic toc stars, athletes and celebrities) and see that as the american dream. If they can’t achieve that status, then what is it all for. Add to that mountains of debt to go to college for the chance to even get a job paying you enough to live in an average apartment and you can see why some are depressed. Throw in two long years of COVID fear and shutdowns and it could seem hopeless to a person without a strong parental influence at home. Just my thesis but who knows.
I do agree the gun laws should be changed to outlaw AR15 ( no reason to have one),
2) waiting period for any guns ( at least a week)
3) universal background checks ( I think we already have this)
, 4) no one under the age of 21 can buy a gun,
5) outlaw all semi-autos ( even pistols)
I still don’t think this would prevent a lot of these situations but hopefully a start.
You are delusional and again doing nothing to solve the problem.
As someone already said, we can’t afford new schools as it it and you want to fortify them. You should quit before you further embarrass yourself.
Where did I say “fortify”? I’m saying defend.
Open your mind for a minute and hear what I’m saying.
Schools can be simply and invisibly “hardened”, mostly by switching constructs from “security” to “defense”. Security is a construct, with abstractions, and ever increasing concentric circles, whereas defense is operative or systemic and trades a resource for a requirement, like space for time or $$ for “child-deaths”. If you’re a fan of sports you’ll understand this from how teams use advanced statistics to invisibly improve their teams trading $$ for undervalued players and overvalued players for $$ in an attempt to buy “win-shares”.
Also understand we’re talking about an issue that we are agreed on 80% but 80% of us don’t want to do anything that would be construed as a “win” for the other side, like fixing procedures at schools or doing simple background checks and waiting periods and age restrictions.
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This is something else I don’t understand about this shooting but will wait for the facts to come out. I know in my kids schools, the doors are locked all day long…no exception. If you want in, there is one way in and its through the office and you have to be buzzed in. There is no way this could have happened at my kids schools unless
he shot his way in through the glass or
the office accicentally buzzed him in.
All the other doors are locked, made of steel etc.
I suppose someone could shoot their way in through the window and there we are, but there is no way a person is just walking into my kids school with a gun. Not possible.
Add an armed secutiry guard ( one of my kids schools has an armed cop there all day everyday) and I feel pretty good about it. ( Not sure every district in Texas has an armed cop there all day)
On this we can agree, neither side wants to let it seem like the other side won. Being from Kansas I was never a Bob Dole fan, however back when he was in office there was at least some civility within our government.