"f you are in the business world and you have to bend the rules (not necessarily something illegal) to get a deal done are you considered a “scumbag”?
Yes!
"Some call that savvy. "
Only those looking to justify what they have done…or will do.
Haim
The good Doc’s first response was “No Comment”. So did he come up with the $25,000 idea after speaking to his legal assistant???
A cheater, despite the “theories”, I think he will always be a cheater. Like the people that run red lights as a habit, or lie on their taxes… It’s the Boston marathon, no one is watching??? He must think quite highly of his abilities to pull this off- and I would NEVER EVER EVER have him as my doc. Doing good only when someone is “watching”? Doing bad if you can get away with it?
By the way, I might have cheated in a race.
Last year I only did one race. I knew I was painfully out of shape, and I only forced myself to do it so I could experience the agony & motivate myself to get my ass in gear. I signed up for that race under a fake name, because I didn’t want anyone to see my name in the results associated with what I was certain was going to be a shitty time. Victimless crimes, I say.
Yes he did come up with the $25,000 idea after he was outed. It’s an ultra weak excuse. Here’s the deal: anyone can run Boston. If you are unable to qualify via the time standards then you can buy a charity slot which is significanltly less than $25k. This guy is a backpeddling cheat. Period.
Plus, it’s NOT that hard to qualify for Boston.
I was going to say the same thing. So not only is he a cheat, but now appears to be lying to cover it up.
BTW - it is ‘hard’ to qualify for Boston insofar as anything can be objectively ‘hard.’
I was going to say the same thing. So not only is he a cheat, but now appears to be lying to cover it up.
BTW - it is ‘hard’ to qualify for Boston insofar as anything can be objectively ‘hard.’
You’re right. I shouldn’t have said that.
He is a physician, he should have just bought a boston charity slot. What a hack. Boston is a cool marathon, not worth cheating to get into though.
One of the reasons golf is so popular in the business world is the old adage “If you will cheat at golf, you will cheat in life.” If you are looking to do business with someone and take them to play golf, and they are willing to cheat, don’t do business with them. Same thing applies here. Can he really punish a student for cheating at this point?
Plus, it’s NOT that hard to qualify for Boston.
Yeah, for women! The qualifying time is 30 minutes faster for men than women. For my age group (40-44) the qualifying pace is 7:38 for men and 8:47 for women; that’s a huge difference. The fastest qualifying time for any woman is 3:40. That’s still only an 8:24 pace.
I would not trust this guy to pull weeds in my backyard!
so what do you think the chances are that those non-english speaking folks who do pull the weeds in your backyard have a greencard, car insurance and a valid car registration and how much does their employer pay in social security and witholding?
I say let the guy run Boston and give him all the publicity we can so he actually does have to raise the $25,000 (in which he’d likely have to subsidize >1/2 himself). That would be the best ending.
In fact, why don’t we get a letter writting campaign going and put some heat on him? If someone can send me his contact info, I’m in for $100 today.
In fact, why don’t we get a letter writting campaign going and put some heat on him? If someone can send me his contact info, I’m in for $100 today.
http://www.med.umn.edu/renal/faculty/ibrahim/home.html
Mailing Address
Division of Renal Diseases and Hypertension
MMC 736 Mayo Bldg
420 Delaware Street S.E.
Minneapolis, MN 55455
Thanks Cathy.
I emailed the only contact info I could find on the site to let them know I heard about his charity run and would contribute to his cause and that he can contact me for particulars. I assume it is towards his work’s foundation, so that is probably a worthy cause…
…and to paraphrase a poster on an “Is Lance Clean?” thread, “in the big picture, his cheating may save people’s lives…” So maybe Hassan is actually an angel that we don’t recognize :-)…I wonder if you called up the Boston’s RD, McGillvray, and said “I have done 4 marathons but not quite fast enought to qualify, but I can raise $25,000 for a good charity if you let me slide” if Dave would let him in. I think I would! 
But you do agree that in this example, the guy cheated, right?
I was faced with a similar situation this year. I gave my half marathon number to a friend who was supposed to “exit” the course prior to finishing…he ended up going sub 1:20, placing in my AG and crossed the finish line. This would have pre-qualified me for NYC…but after thinking about it…I threw my name into the general lottery instead. I didn’t get in. I don’t regret the decision. In the future, I will probably just “eat” the number as I felt real bad for the guy that would have placed in my AG.
The funny thing is that I did and still do get crap from other friends about the finishing time…which is about 10 minutes off my PR.
Hang him!
Cheat…lifetime ban from all events. No exceptions.
An Ironman Wisconsin cheating incident…
Ironman Wisconsin 2006…a woman I coach missed Kona by 90 seconds. Tuesday after the race learned the gal in 3rd place used a pacer - was DQ’d (also got a 1 yr WTC and IMNA ban from all races) and IMNA called and offered her the Kona slot. My gal took the slot. She knew she missed Kona after being passed at mile 23. She fought hard the last 3 miles and held off the next woman by 22 seconds. Good thing she didn’t stop to pick up her daughter at the top of the finish area…her original thought. Her brother and I told her to fight until the finish line becuase she didn’t know what was happening ahead. (We didn’t know about the pacer issue at that point - we just wanted her to finish strong.)
She’s racing in Kona in 2007.
But you do agree that in this example, the guy cheated, right?
From my prior post:
"I would be willing to bet that the vast majority of “observers” would agree that having someone else run your race is cheating. I do. "
My point was twofold.
- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fundamental_attribution_error in relation to comments of he did x so therefore believes/would do y.
- Second point was completely off topic, not really related to what we are talking about here. Maybe I should have started another thread. Seems to me from replies everyone agrees this guy is a “big cheater.” My rhetorical question is what is a cheater and my personal opinion is that it could be argued we all are, to some degree, for the reasons outlined in the prior post. Humans are masters of self delusion.
I think I would also respectfully submit that maybe this thread has gone far enough. So now someone has posted the name and address of this guy’s employer, under the aegis of “put some heat on him” and people are writing emails to “the only contact info I could find on the site.” Bad idea. This guy might be a cheater which might be inexcusable in our eyes, but let’s take a deep breath and realize that 1) this borders on harassment and 2) we are not judge jury and executioner for potentially someone’s medical career. And before someone tells me that this was already in the paper so no harm I would counter with yes, that is true but I wonder if his employer started receiving random emails about it after the newspaper article. Guy’s probably on thin ice as it is.
I agree, the RDs in these races should ban him. RDs need to drop the hammer on these people. This guy is certainly a cheater and most likely a liar
Not to pick on saltman, but just responding to his (and others) post.
One year at Alcatraz, some guy gave his buddy his number because some guy was injured and his buddy wanted to race. Didn’t even sell the slot.
His buddy crashed during the bike and was taken off in the ambulance. RD calls some guy at a later time to know what they should do with some guy’s bike. Some guy has to come clean and say it was his buddy’s bike as some guy wasn’t even at the race, let alone racing.
To make matters worse (and here I forget all the pertinent details), his buddy (who was racing under an assumed name without signing the waiver) was hit by little old bitchy lady from SF. Someone sued someone else and it was a big mess.
Moral of story? Don’t race under someone else’s name/number.
And to whomever (I forget): Getting the dude’s contact information via google took like 3 seconds.
clm