Hi I’m trying to work out which would be better fit. Im 6ft 2.5 with a stack and reach of 680 x 510 which seems to put me right on the cusp of a large or XL. If I went for a Large i’d have the benefit of being able to use the Tri stem and aero bottle etc while still maintaining the correct stack but would be at the limit of reach. If I go for the XL it looks like id need the TT stem to get low enough and then wouldn’t be able to use the aero bottle. However the XL would give me a little more room to increase the reach if needed. Im the red dot on the XY Solver below. Any advice appreciated.
A) IIRC, there was independent testing (ERO?) showing the Tri+Bottle setup is faster than the TT stem
B) You might want to go lower in the future. The Large gives you that.
C) While you can’t go lower than the minimal stack allowed by the TT stem, reach is a bit easier to achieve. If you’re desperate for extra reach, you can get a bit extra with a change of pads (in a similar scenario, I use AeroCoach Align because of their length and cradling). Custom pads are still a reasonably affordable part.
I am 188 cm /6 ft 2 and ride a large (don’t have my X/Y to hand at the moment sorry, but within orthodoxy so to speak).
I love this bike, key things I would look for are as follows:
The integrated hydration is fantastic and you definitely want to be able to have this option for anything more than sprint distance IMHO.
There is no ability to tilt the bars. Even though the base bar etc is all Profile Design, you cannot use the Aeria system/integrated hydration to tilt the bars as the base bar is not designed to tolerate that load and will crack (apparently). If you want to tilt you need to go for an after market solution which is not as easy or as cheap as it should be.
There is no draft box/rear storage. Not a deal breaker but something you would hope they will fix with the next update. There is one carbon fibre 3d printed option available for mounting on the downtube but that is 180 pounds so not cheap.
Despite the criticisms I have over 2 and 3 above I still think it is a great bike, not overly common on course and absolutely flies.
I am 6’, not sure my stack and reach but I have a medium size frame and I am slammed with the hydration system up front. I would agree with the other poster to go with the large and aftermarket pads and aerobars if you need more reach, especially if your doing long course stuff.
Thank you for your advice the other day on the Ordu. The Scott measurements appear to be pad center which would probably give me another 10mm - 20mm or so in reach.
Is moving the seat back slightly an option or is it generally preferred to keep it as close to the BB as possible ?
I have a Large and XL Frame in the Scott but cant keep both. Only one groupset but can probably stick a crankset on the bare to get an idea of which might look better.
To avoid this inevitable kerfluffle is it possible for you to go get a proper fit? Luscan offers a digital one if you’re not near one of the proper ones. 10min of Eric’s time is worth a chunk but it’s still all observations from still images with no iterative feedback. Even if you have to travel a $500 all-in cost of fit+travel pales in comparison to screwing up and picking the wrong $3500 frame.
I agree a fit would be the preferred option, but its professional bike fits that have lead me to buy the wrong size in the past. In my other feed last week it was clear that what I’d thought was a professional fit was very quickly dismissed by all the comments. The other aspect of it is that I cant really keep 2 Scott Plasma and an Orbea Ordu long before my Accountant threatens to shoot me.
Will look at other fit options locally but good ones are generally booked up quite far in advance.
Nitpicking here, it’s not professional bike fits, it poor bike fits by alleged professionals that seem to have botched your earlier fits. Where are you located?
The Scott measurements appear to be pad center which would probably give me another 10mm - 20mm or so in reach.
You can also get a few extra mm by swapping the extension bracket since they’re asymmetric. The only thing you loose is the little notch on the bracket that helps clean cable routing but it doesn’t actually matter unless you aren’t running any spacers, and looking at where you are on the chart you will have spacers. Even if you are slammed you can likely get a machine shop to make the same notch on the opposite side of the bracket.
Like pbnz above I’m 6’2 and ride a size large Scott Plasma. I don’t have my current stack/reach numbers handy but my old numbers were: x 527, y 678, which is very similar stack to what you listed and a longer reach but I have a lower saddle height (822). Here’s a picture of that position on the size large Plasma.
I’ve since made a few changes to my position (shorter crank, correspondingly lower saddle height, a bit more reach after getting new PD Ergo arm cups, removed all spacers).
Is moving the seat back slightly an option or is it generally preferred to keep it as close to the BB as possible ?
The issue with moving the saddle to adjust reach is that you change the overall posture. It can “work”, but you lose control of what your fit is. Rather than force the bike to support the desired posture, you’re compromising with the bike and choosing a posture based on the position of the bars.
Personally I think the Large looks small under me but maybe its just because the fit pads etc aren’t in the right place or I’m just a big lump.
Eric would you say the XL Plasma looks a better fit than the Ordu ? I appreciate these are only still images but after all this fuss its not unlikely I just stick with the Ordu and refine the fit a little more.
I think the XL Plasma and the Ordu fits look the same to me. I’d choose based on aerodynamics and cockpit adjustability… you need one that will give you some pad tilt.
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Personally I think the Large looks small under me but maybe its just because the fit pads etc aren’t in the right place or I’m just a big lump.
Eric would you say the XL Plasma looks a better fit than the Ordu ? I appreciate these are only still images but after all this fuss its not unlikely I just stick with the Ordu and refine the fit a little more.
