Sure there are bad apples in the bunch. But the store can prevent them from reaching the shelves.
Also recent story here 2 “refugee” veezuelans murdered near my house. They were sleeping in a stolen car… it’s like when we get questions about visiting Tijuana from people. Don’t get involved in shady business there and you won’t have a problem.
I trust you are equally concerned about white midwestern men getting arrested for child sex crimes. Surely Newsmax wouldn’t cherry pick stories about immigrants to push their agenda.
https://www.woodtv.com/news/kent-county/4-west-michigan-men-arrested-in-child-exploitation-sting/
Don’t you mean to put the “murdered” part in quotes? You suggest that the refugees invited their own murder by their involvement in the shady business of sleeping in a stolen car.
Would it make a difference to you if the refugees were sleeping in an abandoned box? What if one of these refugees was pregnant and there was no room at the shelter?
Your concern for humanity is a sight to behold, like a shining star in the sky.
Abandoned box and car obtained illegally two different things. As for the white men convicted of sex crimes, sure deport them too
Did the refugees steal the car? It was it an abandoned stolen car? I’m curious if we know.
I think it was probably an ABANDONED car because your news source would definitely report if the refugees had stolen the car themselves.
What if the refugees had stolen the car? Would they have invited their own murder in that instance?
Your analysis of this incident near your house is really hard for me to get my mind around.
I think the whole Jesus-born-in-a-manger story was supposed to teach us that being a homeless refugee isn’t a FAFO situation.
And no one invites their own murder by sleeping in a stolen car.
ahh you know, cause many people in latin america accidentally fall asleep on a cartel’s bag of cocaine right?
What are you even talking about? You sound crazy.
You want us to deport Americans? I thought emptying our prisons and dumping them in other countries was bad.
You seemed to have missed my point. Crime rates are lower among immigrants but right wing media highlights these stories to create anger and division. It’s a shame you not only fell for it, but chose to propagate it.
One could argue that crime rates among illegal immigrants is 100%.
Being an illegal immigrant is not, by itself, a crime.
Not to mention many on the right have taken to referring to any immigrant as illegal regardless of their immigration status. See Springfield, OH, or thousands of asylum seekers.
This is the JD Vance argument. Yes, they are technically here legally through TPS. But I don’t like TPS and have some vague belief that it’s unconstitutional or improper or whatever, so they’re still illegal in my eyes. So I’ll still call them illegals, as that works with the base.
Fair enough, but it is a violation of US law, and I think in the context of this discussion, it would be pertinent.
When someone highlights a crime committed by a minority illegal immigrant, it doesn’t mean they’re not also against crimes committed by white citizens. I think the argument would be, we’re always going to have some segment of our citizen population that commits crimes, and we should work on that. How about we don’t add to that by also allowing a bunch of people to be here illegally, some of whom will add to the crime rate.
If they commit fewer crimes per person, they will bring the crime, “rate” down.
Anytime we add people, whether through legal immigration, illegal immigration, or birth, (or even postponing death) some of those added people will eventually commit crimes. If the goal is to minimize the total number of crimes, then we need to limit the number of people here, but that solution can be much worse than the problem. If, instead, the goal is to reduce the per capita crime rate, then focusing on illegal immigrants is not an efficient approach.
But they’ll be adding to the total number of crimes committed, when they should not (in theory) be here to begin with.
If you have kids, you know they’re going to occasionally make messes in your house. What you really don’t need is neighborhood kids coming over without your permission and making more messes.
I think it is the opposite of pertinent. These kind of stories are meant to create a fear of the other. When the other is less likely to commit crimes than US citizens.
It distracts from the reality.
Agreed that there are other ways to work on the per capita crime rate, and I wouldn’t propose immigration laws as being a primary method of addressing that specific issue.
However, we HAVE already put laws in place to “limit the number of people here.” Those are our immigration laws, which illegal immigrants are violating, by definition. The question is whether we actually care to enforce those laws or not, and whether the laws are effective in achieving our aims.
Yeah, I’m not going to speculate on the motives of the outlets reporting these specific stories. I agree there’s a lot of immigrant-related fear mongering coming largely from one side of the aisle.
I’m simply addressing the common retort to these stories, which is usually about some other crime committed by some white male citizen.
I agree with the basic premise that we don’t want people here illegally. I suppose that’s true of any law. We want to devise laws properly such that we are better off with people on the legal side of the line and worse off with people on the illegal side of the line. I think that’s the point of making something illegal. If, for whatever reason, we are actually better off with some illegal immigration, that suggests we need to change the immigration laws. Otherwise, we are prohibiting something beneficial.