Sam Long here... I want to know your opinion on T100 or Ironman Pro series financial comparison

I come from a similar background as you, trying to make a good living at this sport for as long as possible. Back in my day there were some that chased big races, and a few of us that chased longevity in the pro side, so looked mostly at things in a financial sense. So my recommendation is that you do the same.

So with that in mind, yes you would probably place higher in the Pro series, but I would imagine make less money. Not being privy to the contracts(but I think I know pretty closely what they are) your best net at the end of the year is probably the T100 series. Maybe someone here can elinghtn me as to what expenses are paid in the Pro series(travel, hotel, meals etc) if anything. I know it used to be nothing and everyone was responsible for their own stuff.

I believe in the T100 series a lot if not all of that is covered, and over so many races that is no small amount, so has to factor in your calculations. Also not knowing your sponsorship bonuses, you have to factor those in also. I know when I did my contracts I was able to point most of my sponsors in the direction I wanted to go, and not really dictated to me without my input. So once you do choose, that is another avenue to maximize your earning potential.

The nice thing with the T100 is you start out the gate with a nice big number, get expenses paid, so all earnings are net. You dont get that in the Pro series, even though you might actually be more competitive there. And as others have stated, we are not long for the time when a 70.3 is going to be basically as competitive as a T100, like the WC we just witnessed.

And going off of what Barnaby did this year is really more of a head fake, I can guarantee you it will not be so easy next year. I expect the fact that a low level pro was able to make more money in that one series than his entire 20 year career will wake up many to the possibilities.

So keep working on your swim, get within that 3 minute gap or under, and work your way to the top 5 like you did in many races this year. Having to do more races will be a good thing for you, many will not be able to handle that schedule, and or try their hand at the pro series or individual races in that series. It also wont preclude you from some other races, maybe pro series ones, or Roth and other big pay days that get between the T100 races. Remember you can miss some of them, so bank early ones like you did this year and your schedule opens up mid and late season for this type of thingā€¦

Good luck with your decision, this is what I would and did do and was lucky enough to have a 15 year pro career. So many chase that Kona dream, but in reality virtually everyone falls short and it is a big expense, rather than a payday.

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Perfect score is 21,500 since IM 70.3 Worlds is max of 3,000 and IMWC is max of 6,000ā€¦ I calculated that Barnaby lost ~40mins compared to Matthews only losing ~12mins

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Iā€™d wager that the T100 is going to become more competitive relative to the IM series, thanks to the ITU guys stepping up. Van Riel is known to want to do IM distance for Nice, but probably wonā€™t be targeting the Pro Series. All the other big hitters we saw on the weekend (Geens, Wilde, Shoeman) will likely stay at T100/70.3 distance next year.

On the other side, which notable athletes do we know will target the Pro series, who didnā€™t do so this year? Sanders is probably the other notable athlete who might. Lange did so already. Foley perhaps. Ditlev?

Ah I missed that he did both, good catch. Also that adds both WCā€™s as absolute must-doā€™s to be near the top of the standings, which makes the travel costs comparable to T100

Hey Sam,

I think you have to also look at the long term (over the season) impact on your health and disruption to training of all the flying around if you decide to do T100. I think IM Pro series you literally can race inside North America and not kill yourself with endless hops to Europe and Asia which is tough from an Arizona base. The athletes based in Europe have a gigantic advantage as their time zone is smack in the middle of each extreme. Youā€™re at a disadvantage living at the absolute west time zone of the global racing universe. You have a family with a young kid and this adds to your overall stress and health load over a year and the most important thing for you to do this year is to have a repeatable solid swim base and thatā€™s going to be disrupted more with T100 racing.

You had a long season last year racing from Chile in Jan to Dubai in Nov (albeit Chile in the same time zone), I vote for IM Pro Series for the reasons I mention. You have young and have a long career ahead and enough North American 70.3 and Full IM wins and you can translate that into good sponsor impact.

The only 'away" race youā€™ll have to really do is Marbella which is 9 hrs from Arizona, but that course also should be good for your capabilities with 1100m vertical on the bike and a flat run, plus IT MAY BE a salt water wetsuit swim even for pros, so that favours you too.

Give yourself a travel break this year and race closer to home and build that swim up

EDIT: I was not thinking straight. IM WC being in Nice means 2x trips to Europe from Arizona, so now maybe not so clear cut on tthe travel side

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Marbella and Nice are much easier places to get to than a lot of the T100 races

Yep, coming to ST for advice is what us mere mortals do!

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I donā€™t know. Seems to me selecting a tire and planning a career, setting goals, building a brandā€¦are different things, with different ways of proceeding.

I guess I spent to much time in the corporate world and too old school

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Yo Sam,

Sending big respect from here in the UK.

I think itā€™s a tough decision with some good advice above, but there are so many factors Iā€™m not sure thereā€™s a way to be confident one is a better financial choice than another.

So instead of adding my own Iā€™ve outsourced it to ChatGPT:

Would a professional triathlete be financially better off on a PTO contract or an Ironman pro series contract?

Great question! The financial comparison between a PTO (Professional Triathletes Organisation) contract and an Ironman Pro Series contract can be quite nuanced and depends on several factors, including the athleteā€™s performance, sponsorship deals, and personal preferences.

PTO T100 Series Contract:

  • Guaranteed Pay: PTO contracts offer a guaranteed annual salary. This means athletes receive a fixed amount regardless of their race results1.
  • Prize Money: Thereā€™s also a substantial prize pool, with a total of $7 million up for grabs over the series, including race prize money and an end-of-year bonus.
  • Number of Races: Athletes are required to race a minimum of six out of the eight races in the series, including the Grand Final.
  • Media Commitments: Athletes have media obligations as part of their contract.

Ironman Pro Series Contract:

  • Performance-Based Pay: Ironman contracts typically do not guarantee a fixed salary. Instead, athletes earn money based on their performance in races1.
  • Prize Money: Prize money is available at Ironman races, but the total prize pool may be less than the PTO series.
  • Flexibility: Athletes have more flexibility to choose which races to participate in, allowing them to focus on key events like the Ironman World Championships in Kona.
  • Sponsorships: Sponsorship deals can significantly impact an athleteā€™s income, and Ironman races often attract substantial sponsorship opportunities.

Conclusion:

If an athlete prefers a stable income and is willing to commit to a series of races, the PTO contract might be more financially beneficial. However, if an athlete values flexibility and the potential for higher earnings through performance and sponsorships, the Ironman Pro Series could be a better option.

Ultimately, the best choice depends on the athleteā€™s career goals, financial needs, and personal preferences. Do you think one option might suit a particular type of triathlete better?

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I got a slightly different answer from ChatGPT, but my prompt was more specific:

Sam Long, a prominent figure in professional triathlon, has two potential pathways for his 2025 season:

  1. Full IRONMAN Pro Series with 1-2 T100 Races

  2. T100 Contract, IRONMAN World Championships in Nice, and 70.3 World Championship

Option 1: Full IRONMAN Pro Series with 1-2 T100 Races

The 2025 IRONMAN Pro Series comprises 18 events across 17 locations, including both IRONMAN and IRONMAN 70.3 races. The series offers over $4 million in prize money, with a $1.7 million bonus pool distributed among top-ranked athletes at the seasonā€™s end. Points are awarded based on performance, with higher points for World Championship events.

Pros:

ā€¢ Consistent Competition: Regular participation can enhance race fitness and visibility.

ā€¢ Financial Incentives: Potential earnings from individual race prizes and end-of-season bonuses.

ā€¢ Global Exposure: Competing worldwide can expand his fan base and attract sponsorships.

Cons:

ā€¢ Demanding Schedule: Frequent races may lead to physical and mental fatigue.

ā€¢ Logistical Challenges: Extensive travel can disrupt training routines.

ā€¢ Performance Pressure: Consistent high performance is required to secure top rankings and bonuses.

Option 2: T100 Contract, IRONMAN World Championships in Nice, and 70.3 World Championship

The T100 Triathlon World Tour features events in locations such as Singapore, San Francisco, London, Ibiza, Las Vegas, and Dubai. Securing a T100 contract may offer financial stability and focus on select high-profile races.

Pros:

ā€¢ Focused Preparation: Concentrating on key events allows for tailored training and peak performance.

ā€¢ Financial Security: Contracts may provide guaranteed income, reducing financial uncertainty.

ā€¢ Prestige: Success in World Championships can elevate his professional standing.

Cons:

ā€¢ Limited Race Opportunities: Fewer competitions may reduce overall race experience.

ā€¢ High Stakes: Performance pressure is intensified in a limited number of critical events.

ā€¢ Contractual Obligations: May limit flexibility in choosing additional races or commitments.

Recommendation:

Considering Sam Longā€™s career trajectory and recent performances, a balanced approach may be advantageous. Participating in select IRONMAN Pro Series events to maintain competitive momentum, while focusing on the IRONMAN World Championships and the 70.3 World Championship, could optimize performance and exposure. This strategy allows for adequate recovery and targeted preparation for pinnacle events, aligning with his long-term career goals.

Ultimately, the decision should reflect his personal preferences, health considerations, and professional aspirations.

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Why either series ā€¦
Unless you finish top 3 they donā€™t add that much but a lot of stress .
And focusing on the yearly bonus with 2 t100 wildcards and a 5 percent extra points race ( which for a lot of people counts higher than a t100 race ) might make more sense .and you need only 3 races for that
And getting appearance fee from Roth could work out better and to do well in nice one has to practise well on the course so to prepare for Roth in nice could work
With your swim you are spending more effort and energy on the bike than anybody else ,
Itā€™s seems your bonus structure is more IM heavy so doing smaller 70.3 ironman races might actually work financially better and leaves you with more energy for the bigger races.

As for travelling cost to spend a summer in Europe might be cheaper than flying back and forth and not doing a series might give more flexibility to plan that better.

I would make the races work for me and not work for a series.in your case
At the end what is draining is the travelling so that would be my first consideration how can you race with the least amount of travelling and you donā€™t seem to travell to well.

And this would likely be good for a sustainable career as well

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If its purely a financial consideration (base - without winning) - then perhaps the T100 - this is on Eurosport TV across all of Europe (massive coverage), plus YouTube elsewhere - for your sponsors this must be a massive incentive for them to pay you to represent them to way more eyeballs then any IM Pro race and on TV! not just streaming. The exposure you get even for yourself across this series makes you more marketable $$$.

But agreed as others have said the travel for you is killa considering your family.

Gonna through it throw it out there, why not pull a cam wurf and become work horse for pro bike team? In free time do IM racesā€¦

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Sam, you resonate with a huge part of the triathlon community because of the way you race, so I respect you asking that community for advice.
However, I donā€™t think any of us can answer for you. None of us know how dependent you and your family are on future results for income, what your sponsor bonuses/contracts look like, or indeed what T100 are offering you in contract value.
On paper, Iā€™d agree with those saying the Pro Series perhaps plays better to your strengths. But whatever you choose, Iā€™ll watch - you always add an interesting aspect to any race, and I hope thatā€™s recognised when sponsors/race series are estimating your value. Best of luck.

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Can you imagine him showing up at a local crit and doing the Cat 5 race?

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Can we remind ourselves that the question Sam is asking is not which route to take (T100 vs ProSeries), but rather helping source and interpret the data related to the questions that would inform a decision = e.g. avg minutes behind for 70.3/140.6, etc.

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We answered that above, the overall series winner was a total of 40min behind over 5 races, including 70.3 and IM WCā€™s. 5min for 70.3, 10 for IMā€™s.

(thx for the help fsjab)

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The better question - however, is which series is Long more likely to succeed.

Iā€™d wager that heā€™s better suited to the IM courses - or rather, that his swim isnā€™t the same type of handicap in the 3 non-WC races heā€™ll need to make up the bulk of his points. In a regular pro-series race, its not that big a deal if you come out of the water 2 mins down so long as you can make it up on the bike/run.

For Nice and Marbella, the winner will likely be front-pack swim (or close enough), but thatā€™s 2/5 scores as opposed to 6/6 scores where a swim deficit would matter in a T100

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Other athletes who are ā€˜full capableā€™ are not signing and several ā€˜full capableā€™ who are shoe ins for the other 10 are not. @SamYoYoYo1 You will by no means be alone if you choose the IM Pro Series route. Any athlete wishing to race (podium) the IM World Champs will struggle to do T100. Ditlev managed it last year. RvB struggled. I expect neither to race T100 (even though both will be offered contracts). Think Laidlow said in Dubai he wasnā€™t likely to either. Both the Norges have said they are taking the IM Pro Series option.
And if Findlay follows up her ā€œI want to race an IMWC in 2025ā€ Taupo chat then I canā€™t see her racing T100 as well as racing a debut IM to qualify and then IMWC (Kona). Knibb? Not sure. Philipp: doesnā€™t have to validate. LCB: does. Haug: wonā€™t race T100. Matthews: in the balance but wants to win Kona (so maybe IM Pro Series again: canā€™t imagine her racing both)

Caveat: Iā€™m making massive assumptions on performance and level of competition here. YMMV

T100 Remuneration
Base amount (say) $90k (I have not seen the contract or supporting slides)
Four races plus GF to race as minimum: say #2, #3, #6, #8, #10 = (say, at 2024 scale) = $46k
T100 Tour bonus for #7 (though those results might not achieve that) = $50k
T100 total = $186k (Iā€™d say an assured minimum of $130k) NB 5 races (could race 7)
IM Pro Series Remuneration
Two IMs (purses $175k and Ā£150k (mathematicians note)) finishing #4 offers $8.5k and $7.5k
Two 70.3s (I reckon youā€™ll score as well in an NA 70.3 as in Marbella) (purses $75k and Ā£50k (mathematicians note)) finishing #2 offers $7k and $5k
IMWC purse $750k finishing #10 offers $11k
IM Pro Series points:
Oceanside 2400 (<2 mins down)
IM Texas #4 4580 (7 mins down)
Eagleman #2 2300
IMLP #4 4250 (12 mins down)
IMWC: #10 4800 (20 mins down)
Total points = 18,330 Likely position = #5 Pays $50k
IM Pro Series total (5 races incl 3 full) = $79k
Notes:

  1. Bear in mind that an athlete who rejects a T100 contract may not be offered wildcards.
  2. Your PTO Ranking will be adversely affected by not racing T100s, and thatā€™s worth $10k per position.
  3. Might Ironman not offer you twenty pieces of silver to race the IM Pro Series?
    Would be great to get a big name (and voice) racing.
    HTH
    https://files.constantcontact.com/a202847d001/7a711276-b93c-4fe5-b8ff-61db559d30de.pdf
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And doing T100, finishing top 10 guarantees similar revenue for the next year.

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