WHY do we have them Nooka tripped today and I hate running on them never trust a lump underneath.
It seems like we have a group that all see each other every race in USA, lang, jackson, sanders, foley, etc.
Who are Nooka and Lang? Any relation to Laidlaw, Phillips, or Kristen?
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ST is a funny place…Sam wins the Ironman World Champ’s and there has been barley any interest and discussion about his performance that day or since. There is a hint of doping thrown his way and suddenly ST is all over it. Maybe we should throw some shade at Rico Bogen so people here will finally talk about him as well.
Slowtwitch is still talking about the iron war…
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It’s probably our North American skew on demographic data more than anything else.
Just following loosely from the outside, but if this investigation is on, I assume ITA never announces that there is one until there is a finding. Once the finding emerges or not, there is an annoucement and discussion.
So it seems weird that Sam would announce that he is under investigation. Or was someone about to leak that he is, so he wanted to get in front of it?
I’ve never seen an anti doping agency announce anything but sanctions against an athlete. So even if some rumors that he is being investigated it would really amount to “ok……how do you knowâ€., maybe it’s true, maybe it’s not true.
Now the ITA seems to be a relatively new player in anti doping so maybe they announce any and every “investigation†findings regardless of sanctions or not.
So that’s why I don’t understand this play because he can just basically go about his day knowing “scoreboard†at his “hatersâ€. This move has kinda elevated the entire episode and sorta puts more “drama†into the discussion than just “going the high roadâ€.
I mean did people even know there was beef going on until it was revealed publicly? There is a huge difference in “rumors†and validating the rumors, so it just doesn’t really make much sense to “go on the attackâ€.
i think this has to do with an email that was leaked to Laidlow in which the father of one of his colleagues/competitors accused him of doping. And then from what i gather, Marjolaine Pierré/ Clément Mignon, were asked by ITA about anything they may have heard about Laidlow and doping, and they said nothing, well, there was this one joke his GF made about ‘taking the medication’ and it went from there.
It’s a thin line, you can make a bad joke and nobody laughs about it. But then, to have it used against you because of people you train with must be tough. I would have a hard time having a joke made by a SO used in a investigation.
It all depends on the reasoning for the investigation. If there is evidence against Laidlow, we will know about it.
i am amazed at the talk about the medical facility in Spain, if Frodeno had talked about it, few would have said anything. But now, people start saying 'Spain + clinic + results from a young guy nobody had heard about= doping.
Again i do not know, and dopers are people we may know and/or root for.
In this thread, i feel a lot of people are blaming Laidlow for being a bit brash and cocky (and his lack of PR skill)
Furthermore, rumors and suspicion are a reality and occupational hazard so to speak of the highest level of endurance sports.
It is expected murmurs are going to exist. So to your point, the High Road is sit back and ignore.
Best case, he is extremely thin skinned. Worst case, where there is smoke there is fire.
i think this has to do with an email that was leaked to Laidlow in which the father of one of his colleagues/competitors accused him of doping. And then from what i gather, Marjolaine Pierré/ Clément Mignon, were asked by ITA about anything they may have heard about Laidlow and doping, and they said nothing, well, there was this one joke his GF made about ‘taking the medication’ and it went from there.
It’s a thin line, you can make a bad joke and nobody laughs about it. But then, to have it used against you because of people you train with must be tough. I would have a hard time having a joke made by a SO used in a investigation.
It all depends on the reasoning for the investigation. If there is evidence against Laidlow, we will know about it.
i am amazed at the talk about the medical facility in Spain, if Frodeno had talked about it, few would have said anything. But now, people start saying 'Spain + clinic + results from a young guy nobody had heard about= doping.
Again i do not know, and dopers are people we may know and/or root for.
In this thread, i feel a lot of people are blaming Laidlow for being a bit brash and cocky (and his lack of PR skill)
Thanks for the executive summary. Appreciated.
It may be as simple as screwing up on social media at age 23. When Mark Allen or Mike Pigg or Dave Scott or PNF were Sam’s age. There was no social media to make screw ups on. The only way to screw up, was to screw up on the record with a journalist and have that journalist publish it in print…that was literally a 2-4 week lag.
Sam is 24? He is still learning what it is to be a public figure. He got a taste of being a public figure by being first as a non registered guy in the Ho’ala swim last year. That’s literally the first time many had heard of him. Now he is the media spotlight.
You literally need to take away social media accounts from young CEOs of startups that hit it big and have the marketing dept vet what they say in public. They can torpedo the entire ship by saying the wrong thing at the wrong time. Sam is like the startup that went from unknown to IPO in a year.
He should literally talk to Olivier Bernard, former pro triathlon and founder and CEO of ON Running ($7B IPO) on what it takes to run a biz. Sam is running an enterprise now. He just may not realize it.
Pretty simple ( sort of) … We dont and never accuse anyone of doping on this forum. Now if someone takes to their own IG account (like Same has) and creates their own story the community is allowed to talk about that. And yes… ST is a funny thing 
I don’t think he gets a pass based on his age, like at 24 you’re basically a toddler with no capacity for rational thought. At 24 I was married with a mortgage and a kid on the way. He’s World Champion and has been competing in the sport for more than half his life. For sure he’s made/making some odd PR decisions, but being 24 isn’t to blame.
Laidlow’s girlfriend made the ridiculous statements in public to his competitors and their families about Sam, so they should own it. She said it. Why did she say these things and what did they expect in terms of reaction.
It’s incumbent on athletes to cooperate with the ITA investigation. If they fail to do so they’re complicit in impeding the investigation.
If Sam is innocent I have no issue with him exposing the names of those involved. To go full scorched earth before the investigation is complete isn’t something a professional athlete should do. It draws negative attention to him and doesn’t help his cause.
The last person to use such public vitriol in a similar circumstance was Lance, and he’s the most infamous doper in sports history. Taking a page out of Lance’s playbook doesn’t inspire confidence in those who have no knowledge of the situation. Finally, the fact that no fellow athletes have come to his defense is relevant.
I hope all dopers, professional and amateur are exposed and punished. This nonsense has to stop in our sport. Personally I’m tired of FOP amateurs blatantly drafting their asses off in races. Hey, if the pros are doing it, it’s okay right? Monkey see, monkey do. Just like the fool on this thread talking openly about how he wants to start doping. If these cheaters will draft in the open, then what are they doing that we can’t see? The sport needs to be cleaned up top to bottom.
I support clean sport, and hope the investigation yields the truth. If he’s innocent then he should be absolved of the accusations. If he’s guilty, then it should be exposed with appropriate action dependent on the circumstances.
i think this has to do with an email that was leaked to Laidlow in which the father of one of his colleagues/competitors accused him of doping. And then from what i gather, Marjolaine Pierré/ Clément Mignon, were asked by ITA about anything they may have heard about Laidlow and doping, and they said nothing, well, there was this one joke his GF made about ‘taking the medication’ and it went from there.
It’s a thin line, you can make a bad joke and nobody laughs about it. But then, to have it used against you because of people you train with must be tough. I would have a hard time having a joke made by a SO used in a investigation.
It all depends on the reasoning for the investigation. If there is evidence against Laidlow, we will know about it.
i am amazed at the talk about the medical facility in Spain, if Frodeno had talked about it, few would have said anything. But now, people start saying 'Spain + clinic + results from a young guy nobody had heard about= doping.
Again i do not know, and dopers are people we may know and/or root for.
In this thread, i feel a lot of people are blaming Laidlow for being a bit brash and cocky (and his lack of PR skill)
Thanks for the executive summary. Appreciated.
It may be as simple as screwing up on social media at age 23. When Mark Allen or Mike Pigg or Dave Scott or PNF were Sam’s age. There was no social media to make screw ups on. The only way to screw up, was to screw up on the record with a journalist and have that journalist publish it in print…that was literally a 2-4 week lag.
Sam is 24? He is still learning what it is to be a public figure. He got a taste of being a public figure by being first as a non registered guy in the Ho’ala swim last year. That’s literally the first time many had heard of him. Now he is the media spotlight.
You literally need to take away social media accounts from young CEOs of startups that hit it big and have the marketing dept vet what they say in public. They can torpedo the entire ship by saying the wrong thing at the wrong time. Sam is like the startup that went from unknown to IPO in a year.
He should literally talk to Olivier Bernard, former pro triathlon and founder and CEO of ON Running ($7B IPO) on what it takes to run a biz. Sam is running an enterprise now. He just may not realize it.
Too add he has actuall failled a doping test and was initially banned for 12 month . But then reversed in Lausanne
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He should literally talk to Olivier Bernard, former pro triathlon and founder and CEO of ON Running ($7B IPO) on what it takes to run a biz. Sam is running an enterprise now. He just may not realize it.
Too add he has actuall failled a doping test and was initially banned for 12 month . But then reversed in Lausanne
I presume you’re referring to Olivier Bernhard and his nandrolone case, but the use of “he” is ambiguous in your statement.
Too add he has actuall failled a doping test and was initially banned for 12 month . But then reversed in Lausanne
Sam? Is there a source for this?
I don’t think he gets a pass based on his age, like at 24 you’re basically a toddler with no capacity for rational thought. At 24 I was married with a mortgage and a kid on the way. He’s World Champion and has been competing in the sport for more than half his life. For sure he’s made/making some odd PR decisions, but being 24 isn’t to blame.
I couldn’t agree less. Most men aged 24 are idiots. I certainly was one (and being of the reverse age today still can’t be sure that’s changed). You can be very successful at something and still lack maturity or perspective.
I’m with Dev on this one. People are looking for some devious grand strategy in Laidlow’s Insta tirade; pretty sure there is none.
I keep seeing this statement regarding Lance and apparent (tenuous) similarities between Laidlow defending himself and what Armstrong did. It’s more than a little bit of 2+2=5. There were many in here who said Mikal and by extension all his athletes were suspicious or guilty (coincidentally RVB was a Mikal athlete) because he never said anything to defend himself during the Chartier debacle.
There is also the other commonly held belief that those who shout the loudest and are most vociferous in their accusations often have something to hide. So if people in here are making accusations against Laidlow based on equivalencies with other offenders should they also be under suspicion since they are shouting so loud they might have something to hide.
Let the situation play out. I think the rational assumption to be made at the current time, and based on what we know, is that Laidlow isn’t the most intelligent and is very emotional, hence his reaction here is understandable if you think that is what had driven it. He could also be guilty. Seems unlikely to me as it would completely ruin his family’s business; training, coaching, racing, the lot.
From what i understand, (and i am aware that everything is mingled once repeated and that nobody gets the full picture). She made a joke, not a statement.
If i make a stupid joke i do not think that my wife should own it.
WHY do we have them Nooka tripped today and I hate running on them never trust a lump underneath.
It seems like we have a group that all see each other every race in USA, lang, jackson, sanders, foley, etc.
Who are Nooka and Lang? Any relation to Laidlaw, Phillips, or Kristen?
I don’t get it , are you taking time to point out that autocorrect and typing fast lead to errors and you don’t have the cognitive sense to know lang means Lange etc??? See how my comment was dead on people only focus on the mistake’s because it’s easy , simple.
I feel like Laidlow is doing his social media stuff as part of a team. I don’t think we went rogue – I think it was calculated to go on the attack. He probably had some discretion to phrase things on his own but now the whole thing is positioned as a two side issue. If you think he’s clean, you see it as a rationale defense of your reputations. If you think he’s dirty, you see it as something out of the Lance playbook/getting out in front of whatever is coming. I think dropping the video & then going on the attack reads as a calculated PR move.