Running shoe advice needed (specifically Zoot and KSwiss)

I’ve been putting lots and lots of miles on my KSwiss Blade Lights. Had one pair, and recently got another. They have been great sockless (how I prefer to run) for up to 18 miles. I want to pick up another pair of shoes before CdA rolls around and I’m not sure what I want.

The Kwicky Blade Lights seems to be a good choice, but because I used to have 2 different pairs of Zoots (Advantage and Race 2.0) that I liked alot, I was thinking of getting something like the Kalani or the TT 4.0.

Anybody have any suggestions on either of those shoes? How about the Kwicky’s? How do they compare to the the Blade Lights?

I absolutely love the Zoot Ultra Kane…best shoes I’ve ever had. Lightweight and very comfy…dries well too. They are a stability shoe though, don’t know if that’s what you need.

The Kalani is an excellent all around training and racing distance shoe. It’s more a traditional running shoe as opposed to the TT 4.0 which is designed as a triathlon specific racing shoe. I train mosyt of my long runs in the Kalani and do speed work and racing in the TT.

I have a pair of Kwicky’s and really like them. I really like the technology in this shoe. Pretty cool for a long course Tri shoe. I used them at IMSG.

I would guess that the Ultra TT is the shoe most similar to the Kwicky, this based appearance/weight. It’s certainly Zoot’s most popular race shoe.

Thanks for the input guys. At this point I’m leaning towards trying out the Zoots, I’m just not sure which ones. I loved the (non) lace system on my Race and Advantage’s so I’m drawn to the TT’s. Bryan/Jordan, would they be suitable for IM distance?

Thanks for the input guys. At this point I’m leaning towards trying out the Zoots, I’m just not sure which ones. I loved the (non) lace system on my Race and Advantage’s so I’m drawn to the TT’s. Bryan/Jordan, would they be suitable for IM distance?

I ran Kona last October in the TT 4.0, no problem, and I am not a minimalist shoe kinda guy, I like some cushion.

The kwicky’s upper is water proof/resistant

my 2 cents
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I’ve done a fair bit (OK, a lot) of running in the Zoots and their shoes, in general, have come a long, long way. If you like your K-Swiss, the compare and contrast on most Zoot models would be “a little more shoe”.

Some of the Zoots have a carbon fiber roll bar in them, molded into the sole. That is going to make the shoes feel like they provide more “guidance” than the laterally flexible soles on the K-Swiss shoes.

In general, the K-Swiss designs tend to be more rudimentary at this stage, and Zoot has suged ahead with some interesting design thems such as their heel to toe drop that they claim is tuned for running off the bike. That drop translates from their lower (racing) shoes to their more cushioned (higher) trainnig shoes: Thicker sole but with same drop on the training shoes.

I like K-Swiss a great deal, but I will suggest Zoot has climbed the steeper part of the learning curve with some technologies conceived for multisport that may be valid. If you haven’t tried them, they are worth a try.

What about the race 3.0 for an ironman? Have you thought about those for an IM? Enough support, not enough support? I’ve worn them for a HIM a few times and they seem fine, but not sure about a full IM.

What about the race 3.0 for an ironman? Have you thought about those for an IM? Enough support, not enough support? I’ve worn them for a HIM a few times and they seem fine, but not sure about a full IM.

At least for me, in the Race 2.0’s, hey were great in an OLY, and even a half marathon, but I felt like I could use just a tad more cushion/support for the IM distance.

Thanks for the input Tom…I’m pretty sure I’ll give the TT’s a try.

Tom, can you please explain this a little more (first I’ve heard of this):

“…and Zoot has suged ahead with some interesting design thems such as their heel to toe drop that they claim is tuned for running off the bike.”

How does your run form change after riding a bike? I can see maybe a slight difference in the first few minutes until your running legs come around, but after that, I don’t think my form is any different.

I do most of my running in Blade Lights as well. But prior to that I mostly ran in Zoot Ultra Tempo 2.0’s. I still rotate between the two, but most of the running is done in the K-Swiss now. I’ve run a marathon in the K-Swiss and they worked out, but a little more support would have been nice. Personally, I find the K-Swiss to be a little more cushioned than the Zoot. The Zoot’s feel like they have a bit more heel and also more drop; the forefoot feels lower. I do like the support of the carbon plate they have in there. It’s not super noticable, but on longer runs, it feels better than the K-Swiss and it is about an ounce lighter. Maybe it’s just me, but the sole on the K-Swiss wears really fast. It already looks very worn at 200 mi. while the sole on my Zoot’s looks nearly new at 600 miles. I’m considering the Kwicky’s as I’m told they feel similar to the Blade’s but with a little more support. But I may go for the Ultra Tempo 4.0’s.

What about the race 3.0 for an ironman? Have you thought about those for an IM? Enough support, not enough support? I’ve worn them for a HIM a few times and they seem fine, but not sure about a full IM.

At least for me, in the Race 2.0’s, hey were great in an OLY, and even a half marathon, but I felt like I could use just a tad more cushion/support for the IM distance.

Thanks for the input Tom…I’m pretty sure I’ll give the TT’s a try.

The new Race 3.0 is VERY different from the 2.0. I would go so far as to say that the entire line changed in a mjor way between 2.0 and 3.0. If your experience has only been 2.0 or older, I think you will find the new line VERY different in a good way. I couldn’t run the 1.0 and 2.0 line at all, I found the shoes underbuilt and too minimal.

Tom, can you please explain this a little more (first I’ve heard of this):

“…and Zoot has suged ahead with some interesting design thems such as their heel to toe drop that they claim is tuned for running off the bike.”

How does your run form change after riding a bike? I can see maybe a slight difference in the first few minutes until your running legs come around, but after that, I don’t think my form is any different.

I won’t say that I disagree with Tom, because he could be speaking about something else entirely, but in general I think Zoot has claimed that the 10mm heel to toe drop on their shoes was a differentiating feature tailored triathlon specific running. This is a differentiating feature as compared to more conventional 12 or 14mm heel drops, but is certainly still a lot of drop as compared to many other shoes out there, like 1.5mm (I think) on Newtons, 4mm-5mm on many of the Saucony’s, 0mm on the Sauconi Hattori, VFF, Tera Evo, etc.

I also won’t attempt to go into great detail of the significance of this, refer to Dan’s thorough article on HT offset and ramp angle for that, but the theory is that lower HT offsets promote a more natural form, i.e. a mid to forefoot strike. This is purported to be a more efficient form, and when you are already running on tired legs such as in triathlon, efficiency is key.

There are two conflicting arguments I could present in regards to this topic. One one side, I could make the point while that while I respect Zoot as a company, they have been somewhat slow to react to some trends in the industry and are no longer quite as innovative as they once were. The rationale for this would be that while lower ramp angles, drainage ports, speed laces, and overall lighter shoes were certainly innovative at one time, these features are fairly common on many shoes today. Furthermore, there are many manufacturers that have certainly taken some of these concepts further than Zoot has, with lighter, lower and certainly more minimal offerings.

On the other hand, I don’t think the previous statements represent an entirely fair argument to make. There is the obvious logical fallacy that if some is good, more is better, and in our case, if less is good, even less is better. There very well may be a point of diminishing returns in the low and light game where we start the benefits of low ramp angle eclipsed by the costs of fatigue induced by lack of support. Not to mention that that this is highly individualized. There are Olympic marathoners who heel strike, even if low and light is better in general, it’s not going to be better for all people under all circumstances.

Thanks for the response. I guess when I think of running, efficiency, fatigue, loss of form, etc. I don’t associate that with being triathlete specific or running off the bike specific, as Tom eluded to, just something common to all runners.

I have both blades (not kwicky) and ultra TT 4

I thought the kiwis feels too spongy for me. I really like the zoots which have a better feel for the road, firm not fluffy. My only problem is the heel is very present. I can feel the ramp in both shoes, but that may be because I am used to kinvaras.

I finally decided on PI iso transitions but they ar much more minimal. I train in the zoots

Between the two shoes and possibly including the Newtons… which would be better for a narrow low volume foot?

I have been comfortable running in the Zoot Ultra Kane, I also have a narrow, low volume foot.
Newtons shoe last is too wide for me.
Have not had the opportunity to try KSwiss yet.

Zoots will fit a narrow foot much better. I have wide feet and I use K-Swiss. I wanted to use Zoots when they first came out but my feet almost wouldn’t go in, they are very narrow compared to K-Swiss. I don’t know how people can use both of those brands.