Rim brake Felt IA and Felt AR owners, how do you run a BB30 crankset on your frame?

TLDR: is it possible to run a 30 mm spindle crank in your IA or AR? If so, which BB do you use? Is it BB30 or PF30? Is there one that’s relatively easy to install? My new-to-me crank (SRM Origin) has a 30 mm spindle, but I’m not sure if it’s a BB30 crank. Ideally, I would be able to swap easily from 30 mm bearings to 24 mm bearings and vice versa; has anyone used this BB kit by Token that allows swapping (see below)?

https://www.tokenproducts.com/images/products/l_tf37_7-in-1-box.jpg

Below is the current BB on my bike (Felt AR). I think this would be a BB30, right? If so, how do I swap it for bearings that would accommodate a 30 mm spindle?

https://onedrive.live.com/embed?resid=738C59A4F298804!17394&authkey=!ACv3595mi7IwziM&height=660

Long story. Felt’s customer service has taken a turn for the worse since Felt’s takeover by Pierer Mobility/ KTM. In 2019, it took two days for Felt to get back to me, but now, the main CS email address goes unanswered. I finally had someone reach out after I submitted an inquiry online (using a very poorly-designed form that mentions VIN, as if a bike were an automobile).

My question should be very easy to address, given that they should know what BB is needed once they have my bike’s serial number. But it’s taken the rep 5+ days, and I still have no idea if the BB shell is set-up for BB30 or PF30.

I think they are pf30. Your other option would be the thread-together bb from wheels manufacturing. They work great

TLDR: is it possible to run a 30 mm spindle crank in your IA or AR? If so, which BB do you use? Is it BB30 or PF30? Is there one that’s relatively easy to install? My new-to-me crank (SRM Origin) has a 30 mm spindle, but I’m not sure if it’s a BB30 crank. Ideally, I would be able to swap easily from 30 mm bearings to 24 mm bearings and vice versa; has anyone used this BB kit by Token that allows swapping (see below)?

https://www.tokenproducts.com/images/products/l_tf37_7-in-1-box.jpg

Below is the current BB on my bike (Felt AR). I think this would be a BB30, right? If so, how do I swap it for bearings that would accommodate a 30 mm spindle?

https://onedrive.live.com/embed?resid=738C59A4F298804!17394&authkey=!ACv3595mi7IwziM&height=660

Long story. Felt’s customer service has taken a turn for the worse since Felt’s takeover by Pierer Mobility/ KTM. In 2019, it took two days for Felt to get back to me, but now, the main CS email address goes unanswered. I finally had someone reach out after I submitted an inquiry online (using a very poorly-designed form that mentions VIN, as if a bike were an automobile).

My question should be very easy to address, given that they should know what BB is needed once they have my bike’s serial number. But it’s taken the rep 5+ days, and I still have no idea if the BB shell is set-up for BB30 or PF30.

These standards are always confusing. Both use 30mm bearings. But BB30 are installed directly into the frame. So, frame I.D. 42mm same as bearing O.D. PF30 has a bearing shell carrier with the same 42mm O.D. bearing and the carrier is 46mm O.D. which is frame shell I.D.

Your second photo appears to show the bearings outside of the frame. So, this is not a BB30. Likely a PF30 conversion to 24mm I.D. Shimano crank bearings. But to be sure you need to measure the approx frame shell inner diameter because there are also PF41 BB’s made to use a 24mm shell carrier for pressing into a 41mm frame I.D.

As long as you have a frame shell with 46mm I.D. There are 30mm crank options. The only other caveat is the “BB30” crankset. It looks like the Origin is 30mm vs a true BB30 designation so you should be alright. In the past there were true BB30 cranks (SRAM/Quarq) that had spindles too short to use for anything wider than a BB30 BB frame shell width.

The Token kit you show is pretty nice. The downside to Token is that the carrier flanges are very thin. It can be tough to tighten or loosen these if that’s a concern. The BB cup install tools with a threaded rod clamp are a big help. Thread together BB’s such as the Token or WMFR are recommended vs straight pressin. I’ve gone all in using one-piece BBInfinity BB’s.

thanks for the replies

I think the determination that the frame itself is BB30 is correct, and that what I’m actually seeing (and what came with the bike) and pressed-in cups having bearings for 24 mm ID spindles.

What I’m not getting is that if I swap to BB30 bearings pressed into the shell, I would need to somehow locate ~20 mm worth of spacers, which didn’t come with the used SRM Origin PM I purchased. The exposed spindle length (when NDS crank arm is fully secured) appears to be ~90 mm. Is there a BB with external cup that could address this issue, or do I have to press the bearings directly into the shell and find spacers?

thanks for the replies

I think the determination that the frame itself is BB30 is correct, and that what I’m actually seeing (and what came with the bike) and pressed-in cups having bearings for 24 mm ID spindles.

What I’m not getting is that if I swap to BB30 bearings pressed into the shell, I would need to somehow locate ~20 mm worth of spacers, which didn’t come with the used SRM Origin PM I purchased. The exposed spindle length (when NDS crank arm is fully secured) appears to be ~90 mm. Is there a BB with external cup that could address this issue, or do I have to press the bearings directly into the shell and find spacers?

Ok. If you have BB30 42mm I.D. x 68mm width you can either use spacers or find a conversion style bottom bracket that will work. There are a lot fewer options for 42x68 than 46x68.

FSA offers a BB30/PF30 to 386EVO (this is one designation for your longer spindle 30mm crank). These are just wide, tapered spacers.

https://www.performancebike.com/fsa-bb30-pf30-to-386-evo-adapter-black-86.5mm-200-3204/p308723

BBInfinity offers a one-piece press-in bottom bracket 42mm in diameter for 68mm wide shells that takes up some of the spindle length with the bearings set outside of the frame. They also typically respond in under a day about different frame variations and interactions with their BB’s.

https://www.bbinfinite.com/products/bb30-68mm-wide-format-xl-30mm-spindle-cranks-a-k-a-specialized-osbb?variant=40713139716252

Thanks for the suggestions. The 386EVO adapter certainly looks promising.

Hey Jim,

I’ll follow this up an email, but tracking your situation this is what will work for you. The 46mm diameter of the BB shell and the 30mm of the SRM spindle.

https://wheelsmfg.com/bottom-brackets/pf30-outboard/pf30-outboard-angular-contact-bb-for-30mm-cranks-black.html
https://wheelsmfg.com/bottom-brackets/pf30-outboard/pf30-outboard-abec-3-bb-for-30mm-cranks-black.html

Get two of the Wheels Mfg BB wrenches as well or if you want to borrow mine let me know and I can send them out to you.

https://wheelsmfg.com/presses-tools/bottom-bracket-tools/bb-wrench-48-5mm-44mm.html

Thanks for the helpful post and very generous offer, Mike. Will reach out off-thread.

get with the guys at BB Infinite .

Thanks for your post

I think I would buy BB Infinite if I were to fully commit to 30 mm spindle cranks. But my new frame is BSA only and metallic, so this was always going to be a tide-over until I could find a spare spindle somewhere.

The spindle is $200 new, while the BB Infinite (which looks absolutely solid) is similar in price. Alas my conundrum.

Alas my conundrum.

If you select a 68mm wide BB option you’ll be able to swap spacers for crank swaps between 30mm and 24mm. It should work fine.

You just need to confirm your frame shell diameter. The options Mike listed assume 46mm PF30 while you thought yours is BB30 or 42mm. It looks like Felt has used multiple BB standards for the AR over the years. Do you know what year yours is?

It’s a 2017, which makes me think BB30 (as opposed to PF30).

It’s a 2017, which makes me think BB30 (as opposed to PF30).

Felt has a Legacy page and the 2017 manual shows a few different bottom brackets used on the AR series. This leads me to believe your is PF30 or what is sometimes called BB30 pressfit. The top of the line bike is listed as using a WMFR screw together BB with outboard bearings. Since they don’t make a 42mm option this would indicate PF30/46mm frame shell.

If you want the option to swap spindle diameters just keep the BB installed width in mind. If you go outboard bearing 30mm BB you probably can’t use spindle diameter reduction spacers.

I had not looked closely at the Origjn before. It offers some versatile features! Note that the system they use for swapping the spider requires a proprietary pin nut tool. It looks similar to what Rotor uses. But if not, it won’t be something most shops have on hand. The other interesting feature is that the Origin arms are sized for 30mm spindle end lobes. For the 24mm spindle a spindle end lobe spacer and o-ring are used to fit the crank arm. I’m only mentioning in case you find a used spindle, to make sure it’s included.

All very good points. Thank you.