So I am actually thinking of making a purchase in the near future, but I am torn between a couple of models as I don’t know what would provide me with the most longevity or be the better deal. After reading the article here regarding the PR Three, I went exploring. I’ve narrowed it down between the PR Three and the PR Five that fit within my financed cost range. The issue is the PR Three with a 105 group (and Carbon wheels) and the PR Five with Ultegra group set (but RX11 wheels) are approximately the same price.
If you were to pick, which would be the better of the two and why? Anything is pretty much an upgrade for me at this point, but my eye fancies these two bikes at this point in time.
IMO the PR3 is a much better value than the PR5- to a great extent shifting is shifting as long as you keep your drivetrain clean with regards to 105 vs Ultegra, and if you don’t already have a set of race wheels the PR3 is where it’s at
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Thanks, I just wasn’t sure if some of the componentry or frame elements might stand the test of time a little better on the Five since its newer. I don’t have a set of race wheels so that was a factor as well.
If the Five had better wheels, what are the real main differences between the two that make the Five more expensive or better, if any? Obviously, I’m stuck on the higher number (newer) model must be better for some reason logic :-/ I’m new to a lot of this technology and want to make the best decision.
The 3 actually came out after the 5 as a price-point option of the PR series- it doesn’t have the same massive non-drive chainstay that the 5 and 6 have, but other than that it’s basically the same. I’m also fairly certain the 3 comes with their draft-box, whereas the 5 does not. 105 vs Ultegra won’t really give you a measurable advantage as a set of aero wheels will.
I’d get the PR3 with standard wheels and go a different route for race wheels. Probably HED Jet 6’s if the ~$850 deal mentioned on this forum recently is still going; that would save you $250 over the “race spec” PR3, is probably marginally faster, and includes a set of “training wheels.”
So I am actually thinking of making a purchase in the near future, but I am torn between a couple of models as I don’t know what would provide me with the most longevity or be the better deal. After reading the article here regarding the PR Three, I went exploring. I’ve narrowed it down between the PR Three and the PR Five that fit within my financed cost range. The issue is the PR Three with a 105 group (and Carbon wheels) and the PR Five with Ultegra group set (but RX11 wheels) are approximately the same price.
If you were to pick, which would be the better of the two and why? Anything is pretty much an upgrade for me at this point, but my eye fancies these two bikes at this point in time.
the 3 and the 5 are priced to make it hard for you to choose between them. the main thing is, you have a couple of people here talking about the CD0.1. The PR series marked a big change in the quality of the fit and ride performance, in my opinion. resist the urge to buy anything other than a PR something if you’re going to buy a QR.
The 3 actually came out after the 5 as a price-point option of the PR series- it doesn’t have the same massive non-drive chainstay that the 5 and 6 have, but other than that it’s basically the same. I’m also fairly certain the 3 comes with their draft-box, whereas the 5 does not. 105 vs Ultegra won’t really give you a measurable advantage as a set of aero wheels will.
i believe the 5 now comes with the draft box. it went like this:
Not to Hijack the thread but Im in the same boat as well. Does anyone know if the PR3 series frames have any clearance issues with wider track FLO Rims?
Thanks everyone! I think I will need to dwell on this for a little while, but it is starting to sound like the Three is the best option with the carbon wheels. I just like that green :-0! Looks like the HED 6 wheels deal isn’t going on anymore either.
perhaps i can coax brad to come back and post on this thread, but i wouldn’t guess there’s be a wide brake width problem. mostly when we see that it’s with some sort of custom funky brake, and the 3 takes standard brakes.
perhaps i can coax brad to come back and post on this thread, but i wouldn’t guess there’s be a wide brake width problem. mostly when we see that it’s with some sort of custom funky brake, and the 3 takes standard brakes.
Are you thinking there would be a limitation in upgrading to certain wheels later with the Five?
perhaps i can coax brad to come back and post on this thread, but i wouldn’t guess there’s be a wide brake width problem. mostly when we see that it’s with some sort of custom funky brake, and the 3 takes standard brakes.
Are you thinking there would be a limitation in upgrading to certain wheels later with the Five?
no. both the 3 and the 5 use standard brakes. where you get into trouble sometimes is with brakes. the cervelo p5/6 is kind of hamstrung by the magura hydraulic brakes that come on that bike that don’t like tires or wheels wider than about 25mm. it’s not fatal; you just have to shave the brake pads down a bit. my cervelo supersix evo road bike doesn’t like a tire bigger than 25mm between the chain stays (the new supersix evo fixed that).
i think you’ll be fine with either bike and as wide a tire or rim as you want. but i pinged brad devaney, the engineer for these bikes, and i asked him to look at this thread and perhaps give guidance.
perhaps i can coax brad to come back and post on this thread, but i wouldn’t guess there’s be a wide brake width problem. mostly when we see that it’s with some sort of custom funky brake, and the 3 takes standard brakes.
Are you thinking there would be a limitation in upgrading to certain wheels later with the Five?
no. both the 3 and the 5 use standard brakes. where you get into trouble sometimes is with brakes. the cervelo p5/6 is kind of hamstrung by the magura hydraulic brakes that come on that bike that don’t like tires or wheels wider than about 25mm. it’s not fatal; you just have to shave the brake pads down a bit. my cervelo supersix evo road bike doesn’t like a tire bigger than 25mm between the chain stays (the new supersix evo fixed that).
i think you’ll be fine with either bike and as wide a tire or rim as you want. but i pinged brad devaney, the engineer for these bikes, and i asked him to look at this thread and perhaps give guidance.
I assume this would this also apply to the PRsix? It uses Shimano direct mount brake calipers. I’m pricing out frameset options between the 2018 PRsix and the 2018 Speed Concept, the PRsix looks easier to wrench and comes with the storage included but getting it into Canada will definitely add to the price…
perhaps i can coax brad to come back and post on this thread, but i wouldn’t guess there’s be a wide brake width problem. mostly when we see that it’s with some sort of custom funky brake, and the 3 takes standard brakes.
Are you thinking there would be a limitation in upgrading to certain wheels later with the Five?
no. both the 3 and the 5 use standard brakes. where you get into trouble sometimes is with brakes. the cervelo p5/6 is kind of hamstrung by the magura hydraulic brakes that come on that bike that don’t like tires or wheels wider than about 25mm. it’s not fatal; you just have to shave the brake pads down a bit. my cervelo supersix evo road bike doesn’t like a tire bigger than 25mm between the chain stays (the new supersix evo fixed that).
i think you’ll be fine with either bike and as wide a tire or rim as you want. but i pinged brad devaney, the engineer for these bikes, and i asked him to look at this thread and perhaps give guidance.
I assume this would this also apply to the PRsix? It uses Shimano direct mount brake calipers. I’m pricing out frameset options between the 2018 PRsix and the 2018 Speed Concept, the PRsix looks easier to wrench and comes with the storage included but getting it into Canada will definitely add to the price…
whether direct mount or not, if it’s standard shimano calipers i don’t see you’ll have any problem. i think all the PR models are quite easy to wrench on. having just built up from the bare frame a scott plasma premium and a diamondback andean last week, i can tell you that this process is kind of fun for me but i have all the tools, and most of the knowhow. if you lack either it can be a source of frustration.
If you look closely at the OR website and marketing advertisement, the PR5 is “lighter” than the PR3 due to a different carbon composite (30T)fiber material. As stated before in this thread, the PR5 also has the “shift” design which the PR3 does not. Good luck.
Thanks everyone! I think I will need to dwell on this for a little while, but it is starting to sound like the Three is the best option with the carbon wheels. I just like that green :-0! Looks like the HED 6 wheels deal isn’t going on anymore either.
I’ll have to dwell on this decision a bit longer.
Get what you like. You don’t want to look at your bike and always be kind of wishing you bought a different model or color. You can always save up and buy aero wheels later on, but wanting to change the frame later down the road is more expensive and more of a hassle.
If you look closely at the OR website and marketing advertisement, the PR5 is “lighter” than the PR3 due to a different carbon composite (30T)fiber material. As stated before in this thread, the PR5 also has the “shift” design which the PR3 does not. Good luck.
The Three does actually have SHIFT, but I understand what you’re saying.