Question for the girls...saddle sore help!

What do you use for saddle sore? Any thing to help minimize the damages? A friend of mine is having a terrible saddle sore and nothing seems to help her… Bodyglide, aquafor, vaseline, she has tried everything. She has a terry tri or fly saddle and uses decent cycling shorts (QR & skinfit)…

Any tips???

Hello chicken (I know you said it was a q for the girls!). We have something here called Savlon, it’s like an antiseptic (but doesn’t sting) cream. My friend here has some stuff that his mum used on his little bro for nappy rash - I can’t remember the name, but could find out (when he’s awake), if you like.

Also, and I’m not trying to teach sucking eggs here, but clean shorts EVERY time for a new ride.

audentia,

Vaseline is about the worst thing one can use. Most chamios creams (Assos, BodyGlide, etc.) are not medicated.

Bag Balm, a medicated salve dairy farmers use to prevent and help heal chafing on the cow’s udder and teats, works great as a preventative when on the bike (instead of Bodyglide, vaseline, etc.) Available at Wal Mart and Meijer and most chain drug stores, CVS, Rite Aid, etc.

To help speed healing when off the bike Preparation H works pretty good. Clearasil type acne creams also seem to be fairly effective for some saddle sores.

A persistent sore may respond better to a topical steroidal cream. Then use Bag Balm to keep it from coming back.

Good luck to your friend.

Well, you have to be specific on your terminology here. A “saddle sore” usually refers to an actual infected follicle and the treatment is pretty specific depending on the severity and stage.

“Saddle sore” meaning her taint, nether region, butt, whatever is sore from riding might have lots of origins.

Read Tom Demerly’s latest article at his website; it’s a great start.

I second the bag balm. I like the QR shorts too. Don’t know if she does this, but moving around on the seat helps a lot - like every 20 minutes or so switch cheeks. A more tri style short also could help for shorter rides. - zoe

I just recently discovered this stuff:

http://www.soothingcare.com/soothingcare/products_chafing_gel.htm

Works amazingly well for preventing chaffing of delicate parts. I can second the recommendation on Bag Balm, too. Also important to get shorts that fit tightly enough that things don’t move around.

For solving problems that you already have, I’ve had really good luck with diaper rash creams. High zinc oxide content. I usually buy a brand called Penaten.

Good luck!

Miranda

Thanks for the responses!

Hey Bobby, clean shorts every time babe! :wink: So I don’t think that’s the problem…

Thanks,

Andrea

THanks! I will try the bag balm.

I don’t know how to describe it… if it’s saddle sore or what the name really is, it just looks like the skin opens up where the leg and the crotch meets (sorry for being too graphic) :frowning: Any ride over 2 hours causes this… and I tried different shorts, thin, thicker… and it doesn’t make a difference…

I hate it because I love being on the bike, but this really HURTS!

thanks for all the advices…

just a thought… sometimes the saddle is the cause of the sore. Finding a saddle that hits YOUR sit bones in the right spot elimates some chafing that will occur with even the best of shorts. I love the butterfly, but I have friends whose anatomy requires a more slender saddle like the Terry zero.

It might be worth a shot to try another saddle. Also, rotating shorts (not just clean, but short style/brand) might be helpful. Might sound odd, but I do this with bras to keep from breaking thru the skin (sensitive skin and larger than average chest, but that is another story).

THanks! I will try the bag balm.

I don’t know how to describe it… if it’s saddle sore or what the name really is, it just looks like the skin opens up where the leg and the crotch meets (sorry for being too graphic) :frowning: Any ride over 2 hours causes this… and I tried different shorts, thin, thicker… and it doesn’t make a difference…

I hate it because I love being on the bike, but this really HURTS!

thanks for all the advices…

That’s not a saddle sore, it sound more like a fungal infection (i.e. jock itch) from being warm and moist. You should try to keep it clean and dry and apply topical antifungal cream, and if it doesn’t go away in two weeks see a dermatologist.

i see that clean shorts has been listed, so this isn’t exactly that suggestion. but it’s close. and that is, check to see if the water is hot enough to really get the stuff off (e.g., vaseline). sometimes it’s very, very hard to get out, and vaseline seems to be the most difficult to disolve/get out.
as for the sore already in place, there are, per post, several different types, so do go to the sources listed to get the information on those. the deep ones that feel about the size of a pea are pretty difficult. they don’t just get fixed with squeezing, as it doesn’t work out. antibiotic cream and patience are the key to those.
peggy

Thanks for the responses!

Hey Bobby, clean shorts every time babe! :wink: So I don’t think that’s the problem…

I was just saying because I once knew someone who didn’t. What a munter!

Its all in the saddle. Best seat ever created for women and I know quite a few who have switched to this one in particular including myself. Has seen me through 3.5 ironman races in 12 months (plus all the training)

Selle Italia Trans Am.

Especially for new cyclists there are a few key, proven rules to follow on the way to tolerable saddle comfort. In general terms, they can be broken down into three main categories: Allow adequate time for adaptation to the saddle.
Wear good quality bike shorts, and wear them correctly including chamois cream.
**Be certain your bike fits you correctly and your posture is good. **

More than anything else, those three steps will help you cope with saddle pain. Saddle pain is created by a conspiracy of three factors: Heat from trapped air and from friction between skin, shorts and saddle. Pressure from the weight of the body on the saddle and from road shock. Moisture from perspiration, even on cool days and especially warm days.
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You have to work proactively to get comfortable on a bike seat. There is no short cut. If you can manage those three factors you will be able to spend more time in the saddle more comfortably. Let’s take a detailed look at each of the three factors that can help you be more comfortable in the saddle:

1. Allow adequate time for adaptation to the saddle.

This is the primary problem for new cyclists. **They simply are not used to sitting on a bike seat. **The crotch and inner buttocks are not acclimated to supporting a significant amount of your body weight. These tissues are generally soft and sensitive. In Europe, the vernacular used to describe the process of acclimation a cyclist goes through is called “getting your seat”. This means allowing adequate time for the density and sensitivity of the tissues that contact the saddle to gradually adapt to the load. It does not happen overnight. Cyclists usually start to adapt to sitting on a bike seat between 400 and 600 miles of riding over a period of moderate, consistent rides that may take months. It is always better to do a series of shorter rides than a limited number of long rides. For very new cyclists rides should be under an hour in duration and include all the good habits of saddle comfort such as excellent quality shorts, no underwear and use of chamois lubricant/anti-bacterial cream. There are no short cuts to adaptation or “getting your seat”. It simply takes time, and it is usually uncomfortable time at first accompanied by some degree of numbness and pain. Overweight cyclists are particularly susceptible to saddle issues during adaptation and must progress more slowly when adding time and distance to their rides. It simply takes time to get used to sitting on a bike seat. http://www.bikesportmichigan.com/features/saddlecomfort-06/9saddlecomfort.jpg
These shorts are shown worn inside out to show the padding in the front. Consider how you sit on the saddle when buying shorts. Saddle adaptation can be accelerated with good hygiene habits specific to cycling. Never wear cycling shorts except on the bike. Do not drive to and from events wearing cycling shorts. If you are off the bike, get your shorts off. Wearing shorts for an extended time under street clothes and while driving produces a clammy, moist environment on the skin making it more delicate and susceptible to irritation. Put your shorts on right before you ride and get them off right after- don’t stand around in bike shorts before or after your ride. The use of drying, medicated powder such as St. Luke’s Prickly Heat Powder or Gold Bond Medicated Powder inside your underwear while you are off the bike helps adaptation by keeping the skin dry and providing an antiseptic, absorbent environment. Using alcohol wipes or even baby wipes after a ride also helps sooth skin and removes bacteria and moisture through evaporation. St. Luke’s Prickly Heat Powder is the best powder I have used but is hard to find in stores. Do a Google search to find on-line drugstores that may stock it. http://www.bikesportmichigan.com/features/saddlecomfort-06/19saddlecomfort.jpg
Good saddle comfort habits off the bike like using powder to keep skin dry and tough increase saddle comfort.

As a resident athlete at the U.S. Olympic Training Center in Colorado Springs our coaches asked us to sleep with no underwear and a loose T-shirt. This allowed the skin in our crotch to dry out at night. Keeping your saddle area dry and clean off the bike cuts your saddle adaptation time in half and prevents problems.

2. Wear good quality bike shorts, and wear them correctly including chamois cream. http://www.bikesportmichigan.com/features/saddlecomfort-06/8saddlecomfort.jpg
Inexpensive shorts can’t match the comfort and features of high quality pro level shorts- especially for beginners. You rarely see new cyclists with good enough quality shorts. New cyclists need them the most. Many cyclists with saddle discomfort will spend over $100 on a novelty “men’s” or “women’s” comfort saddle, but won’t spend more than $60 on high quality bike shorts. In general, more expensive shorts from $90-239 do feature tangible features and benefits that make them more comfortable. These features usually work better than changing saddles. High quality shorts use more precisely cut patterns for better fit. High end shorts have sophisticated seamless, anti-bacterial moisture wicking pads that help reduce friction but are highly breathable. Many of the new designs fit more precisely since the pad itself is molded from stretch fabrics that fit tightly against the skin and transport moisture effectively away from tender, inflamed tissues. These stretch pad designs move with the cyclist as long as they worn correctly and reduce friction. Once you’ve used high quality shorts you will understand the benefits- until you do its difficult to appreciate why $150 bike shorts are a good value and mandatory equipment. Consider the use of bib shorts for long rides. Bib shorts feature a suspender that goes over the shoulders holding the shorts up and keeping the pad in contact with the crotch. It is less convenient to use the bathroom with bib shorts since you wear the bib section under your cycling top but it is well worth the minor inconvenience. Every rider in the Tour de France is wearing bib shorts and many high end cycling shorts are only available as bibs. http://www.bikesportmichigan.com/features/saddlecomfort-06/12saddlecomfort.jpg
Worn inside out, these Louis Garneau shorts feature a molded pad with vents to provide cooling and evaporation. The new generation of pads offer incredible comfort.

Never wear any underwear with bike shorts. They are designed to be worn against the skin for men and women. Underwear traps heat and moisture and adds friction from chafing. Be certain your bike shorts fit snugly enough. Moisture wicking fabrics and stretch pads are design to be skin tight. Wearing shorts that have a poor cut or are too large creates wrinkles. This creates places for moisture to collect and for friction and chafing to begin. Don’t worry about modesty with bike shorts- they need to fit tight. Baggy shorts never work as well as from fitting, stretch fabric shorts. http://www.bikesportmichigan.com/features/saddlecomfort-06/11saddlecomfort.jpg
Cycling shorts used on a bike with aerobars should use a pad that comes up higher in the front. These shorts are shown inside out.

Always use a chamois lubricant with padded bike shorts. Chamois cream is a lotion or cream that is applied either to the pad of the shorts or directly to the skin. This topical treatment reduces friction through lubrication, provides an anti-bacterial environment for the skin and reduces the accumulation of perspiration. Assos Chamois Cream contains witch hazel that helps dry the skin and speed adaptation. It also has an uncanny ability to last for even the longest rides. Assos Cream is used by Tour de France winner Lance Armstrong, an especially strong testimonial considering his long hours in the saddle and his complications from surgery for testicular cancer. Chamois Butter brand chamois cream is a less expensive alternative that has no drying agent but is reasonably persistent and provides good lubrication. For triathletes who need a stickier, tenacious lubricant that won’t rinse off in the swim Body Glide is a roll-on lubricant that is thick and provides good lubrication for the minimal padding in triathlon race shorts also intended for running. Even a moderate application of chamois cream greatly improves saddle comfort. http://www.bikesportmichigan.com/features/saddlecomfort-06/13saddlecomfort.jpg
Apply chamois cream directly to the shorts and/or your skin. http://www.bikesportmichigan.com/features/saddlecomfort-06/4saddlecomfort.jpg
Our favorite chamois cream is Assos with witch hazel, but there are many brands and all provide relief from firction and heat.

**Be certain your bike fits you correctly and your posture is good. **

Bad bike fit and posture are two of the reasons cyclists think they need a new saddle. The truth is, most cyclists would be better served to use the money on a good bike fitting and high quality shorts than a special saddle. In some cases “comfort” oriented saddles can help bridge the gap to more traditional saddle designs for beginning cyclists but good shorts and accurate bike fit and positioning will yield more permanent results. A saddle that is too high or too low or angled incorrectly will contribute to saddle discomfort almost instantly. http://www.bikesportmichigan.com/features/saddlecomfort-06/16saddlecomfort.jpg
Triathletes with aerobars sit differently than road bike riders: They are rotated farther forward on the nose of the saddle. http://www.bikesportmichigan.com/features/saddlecomfort-06/17saddlecomfort.jpg
These draft-legal road style triathletes in an ITU race sit more upright and farther back, changing the dynamics of saddle comfort for them.

Treating the problem with a novelty saddle that has holes in it, “relief” slots and thick gel padding is treating the problem symptomatically. These are temporary fixes that could be better addressed with good shorts, good habits and proper bike fit. Look at the saddles used by racing cyclists and top triathletes: There are no novelty saddles with holes, cut-outs or gel padding. These cyclists have long hours in the saddle, use chamois cream and practice good saddle area hygiene off the bike. They also have good bike fit and position. Cyclists, especially triathletes, often treat saddle discomfort symptomatically by angling the nose of their seat downward. Saddle designers will tell you it is fine to angle a saddle slightly, but much more than a three degree change in saddle angle replaces one problem with another, causing the rider’s weight to shift and move placing on the handlebars and/or pedals more than it should be. Saddle comfort can be moderated with handlebar position. Handlebars that are too far forward or too high can distribute the rider’s weight too heavily on the saddle increasing the chances for saddle discomfort. Sometimes the best treatment for saddle discomfort is adjustments elsewhere on the bike. A good bike fitter can get your saddle orientation correct for optimal comfort. http://www.bikesportmichigan.com/features/saddlecomfort-06/14saddlecomfort.jpg
Bike positioning is critical to good saddle comfort. http://www.bikesportmichigan.com/features/saddlecomfort-06/15saddlecomfort.jpg
Unusual saddle designs can be a good tool for getting accustomed to riding or for special problems but aren’t the final word in saddle comfort. Saddle selection is an important factor in saddle comfort. There are very few saddles that work well for large numbers of people and saddle selection is a matter of personal preference. You really have to try a saddle for enough time to tell if will work for you in the long run. This can be an expensive process if you buy several saddles to find one that works for you by trial and error. While saddle choice may seem like the most obvious answer to saddle comfort it is sometimes the least effective. Once you find a saddle that works for you stick with it.

Saddle comfort is like any other fitness activity. You have to work proactively to achieve it. If you manage saddle discomfort correctly you’ll be able to spend long hours in the saddle comfortably enough to really enjoy the ride. Checklist of Good Saddle Habits. Get used to sitting on a bike seat with consistent, short rides over a period of weeks.
Always wear form fitting bike shorts, the best you can afford.
Be sure your shorts are tight enough with no wrinkles.
Never wear any kind of underwear with bike shorts.
Try bib style bike shorts for better fit, especially for long rides.
Always wash cycling shorts between wearing.
Put your shorts on right before you ride and take them off right after. Don’t stand around or drive to events in bike shorts.
Always use a chamois lubricant cream to increase comfort.
Use powder inside your underwear in the saddle area when wearing street clothes to keep your crotch dry and speed acclimation.
Be certain your bicycle fit, position and posture are correct.
**Focus on the fundamentals of saddle comfort instead of giving in to to marketing claims of gimmicky saddles. **

I agree with all of the above but I’ll add one more thing.
I had really persistant folliculitis form riding last spring and tried everything mentioned above. Finally went to the derm and she said STOP SHAVING! (She said something about the blunt end of a closely shaven hair and the pressure/ heat/ friction.) I’ve always shaved with no problems but the combination with the bike was not good. All the breakouts cleared up when I stopped shaving. Last fall I tried waxing since I didn’t want to be a hairy beast forever. So far so good.