Hi SD,
I’ve ordered a frame set via your Aussie distributors but have a few build questions. Specifically the wheelset. I’m prob going to go SRAM force but was wondering if you have any data on your Discus c60 Ltd wheelset. The price seems reasonable, especially compared with similar products from Enve and Zipp.
Thanks,
Alex
What type of data are you looking for?
Any kind of wind-tunnel data, I suppose.
I would guess that they don’t have any wind tunnel data.
I’m considering this wheel vs. the new HED vanquish 6 and the Mavic Comete UST. I suppose they’ll come in pretty close aerodynamilcally, but my main concern is how high a GP4000s 28mm tire will sit on each rim. Seems pointless getting this bike and then using a 25mm tire.
It looks like 3T also have a Discus “Plus” which are optimised for 28mm tyres, but as yet the 60 is not listed on their website. I say as yet as it looks in some of the marketing stuff that the Strada has 60s on it. I have also seen some great deals on the Discus 60s (which I want for my Open U.P. when using road tyres), but they seem optimised for 25mm tyres.
This is just my internet observation, whilst looking for information on the same wheels.
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Honest question, no malice. If you really want to talk to Dave about this, why not reach out to him privately and directly? This seems like an awfully inefficient way of getting someone’s attention.
I’m gonna guess that Dave isn’t answering because there isn’t any aero data.
Honest question, no malice. If you really want to talk to Dave about this, why not reach out to him privately and directly? This seems like an awfully inefficient way of getting someone’s attention.
Dave has a long history of being very forthcoming on threads like these. I’m quite surprised that he hasn’t responded.
Yeah, I know. Fair point. I think there’s a spectrum of tolerance for threads like this…if there’s clear and obvious benefit to the entire community, that’s one end of the spectrum. If it’s “hey I saw your bike at the grocery store yesterday” that’s the other end. And in reality each situation is somewhere in between.
So my constructive criticism is this: if there’s clear and obvious benefit to the entire community, reach out privately and directly, and be up front about asking to share the results of the discussion on slowtwitch. Doing it this way is like hoping your dentist sees your Morse code flashlight signal that you’ve got a toothache 
No data.
Possibly he might not have responded because he’s currently at Taiwan Bike Week (or possibly traveling back from there).
Much like the 3T Explor, this bike seems to be filling a very small niche.
Possibly he might not have responded because he’s currently at Taiwan Bike Week (or possibly traveling back from there).
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Hi SD,
I’ve ordered a frame set via your Aussie distributors but have a few build questions. Specifically the wheelset. I’m prob going to go SRAM force but was wondering if you have any data on your Discus c60 Ltd wheelset. The price seems reasonable, especially compared with similar products from Enve and Zipp.
Thanks,
Alex
Alex,
Very sorry for the delay. I was out of the office from Oct 6th to the 27th for Kona, Japan DI visit, Taichung Bike Week, then a week in our Taiwan office. Busy times. Somewhere along the way my phone was lifted so I was quite disconnected. I’ve also been unable to monitor Slowtwitch for the mention of my name or any products I’m responsible for.
We’ve done extensive testing with the wheels during the development of the Exploro and were just in the SDLSWT last month again with the STRADA and latest crop of wheels and tires.
The aero performance is a near match to the Vision Metron 55 and has some data points more favorable than the ENVE 6.7 Let me see if I can dig up the information as it isn’t in a presentable format as we’ve not released it. I seem to recall Tour Magazine doing a disc brake wheel shootout that we came out well ahead of many of the well known wheel brands. I’ll search for that link as well.
Thanks for your patience; feel free to email me directly should you need an immediate response.
-SD
We’ve done extensive testing with the wheels during the development of the Exploro and were just in the SDLSWT last month again with the STRADA and latest crop of wheels and tires.
The aero performance is a near match to the Vision Metron 55 and has some data points more favorable than the ENVE 6.7 Let me see if I can dig up the information as it isn’t in a presentable format as we’ve not released it.
Will the results from this testing ultimately be put into a presentable format and published? If not, help me understand why the typical company in your space does massive amounts of testing that purportedly advantages them – according to them, that is – and yet does not publish or present the results from same. Is is that the majority of those considering purchase just don’t care about any of that? Is there some other marketing logic? Or is it simply too hard to do that work?
Genuinely curious…
Hey Dave,
No worries and thanks so much for the reply.
At the moment I’ve got a set of Zipp 303s on my Open Upper, and I was just wondering how much speed I’d gain switching to the Discus C60s. Will prob end up running 650Bs on the Upper, once you go on a long training ride with 48mm tires on the road it’s hard to go back!
Super excited to get the Strada - crit season is underway here, and it looks to be a perfect bike for that.
Alex
I had the same thoughts.
We’ve done extensive testing with the wheels during the development of the Exploro and were just in the SDLSWT last month again with the STRADA and latest crop of wheels and tires.
The aero performance is a near match to the Vision Metron 55 and has some data points more favorable than the ENVE 6.7 Let me see if I can dig up the information as it isn’t in a presentable format as we’ve not released it.
Will the results from this testing ultimately be put into a presentable format and published? If not, help me understand why the typical company in your space does massive amounts of testing that purportedly advantages them – according to them, that is – and yet does not publish or present the results from same. Is is that the majority of those considering purchase just don’t care about any of that? Is there some other marketing logic? Or is it simply too hard to do that work?
Genuinely curious…
Possibly? It all takes time. The development testing is for development. I’ve got a stack of plastic rim shapes and wheel samples that’ll never be produced because their predicted behavior was not a great a delta over other ideas. Do you need to see a graph that shows a 24H front wheel with a 160mm rotor has more drag than it’s rim brake cousin or that our 60mm rims with a 40c Nano tire are faster than the same rim with another brand’s 35mm rubber? We’re looking for specific trends and performance for the bulk of our testing. The validation tests are now being done by so many magazines (220, VN, Tour, etc) with far more impact and credibility that it is more responsible to give the $3000 wheels to these magazines for their testing rather than create a round of tests purely for marketing at $15/minute in the tunnel.
Perhaps one day when 3T is a $1BN company we’ll have a division devoted to generating marketing/data.
-Dave