https://stats.protriathletes.org/rankings/women
Do they get more points for doing an Ironman over a 70.3 or the PTO 100 events?
Given it takes more out of the body and goes way loner?
I see Ash is at number 3. She’s good but its a bit unfair to me over someone thats got their points from an Ironman.
yes I know you could just play the system and do 3 x 70.3 and be in the lead but is that in the spirit of the PTO rankings?
Its certainly a complicated formula, one that im not privy to, but it does look like big ironman events get a few more points. You have to keep in mind that the PTO rankings only reflect you last 3 good races, within 52 weeks. So as this Kona gets put into the system, the last Kona disappears, and this for each and every race.
So for those that race 7 to 12 times a year, no problem. But if you were injured, had a couple bad recent races, you will drop precipitously once your good races expire. The rankings look pretty fair to me, and there has to be some hard and fast system to keep the current results relevant, and dont weight years past races. Tennis has a very similar system, not sure what golf does, probably some one here does…
And I know they are still tweaking the system, as it is so new and there are bound to be some bugs in it. I think I just saw where Lucy was not considered the fastest swimmer, even after having 3 good recent results, so they will have to see what is up with that. Kind of silly when you have ladies ahead of her that she always beats in the swim when head to head…
When we had our professional triathletes org back in the 80’s, we had a very similar system, as the guy who was running our show, was the actual guy who brought about professional women tennis. It worked pretty well, and we even had 4 categories as I recall. Short/medium/long/combined categories, so there was a lot of math to do, and this before computers were widely used…I have some of those old rankings somewhere, will try and dig them up and post them…
The system looks fair to the eye, but there’s a few quirks as it currently sits:
-LCB, despite never not leading any swim, is listed as the 3rd best female swimmer
-Sanders and Long both got more bike points from the Collins Cup than Sam Laidlow got from this year’s Kona.
-Sam Laidlow, who has never been higher than 4th until Kona, is currently sitting ahead of Lionel Sanders, who also has a 2nd place WC this year and a bunch of wins.
I know the bike and the swim stats are just for fun, but to me there’s no reason why Laidlow should be ranked higher than Sanders in the general ranking - they both have a 2nd place at a WC this year, and even if you consider Laidlow’s placing more impressive (which it was), Sanders easily beats him on every other race.
Not sure that “takes more out of the body” is itself a good criterion for weighting performance… but I notice that Gentle’s PTO 100 points are lower than LCB’s Kona points (but more than Haug’s Kona points) – also lower than Philpp’s Hamburg points and Haug’s Roth points.
There is/used to be a 5% bonus for iron distance races.
On the other hand, as the calc is based on best 3 races, the more events you do (ie 70.3s), statistically you’re likely to get a higher score overall, as your ranking will be based on your “best” days
The ranking points mechanism PTO uses is based on a post-race assessed ‘ideal time’ and a point more or less for 0.15% faster or slower. Putting this in seconds per point terms: 42s for a 7:45 AIT, 48s for a 8:43, 21s for a 3:52]
There are two bonus mechanisms which augment points earned in specific races:
Plus 10% for the best scoring full distance in 2022.
Plus 5% for PTO tour races (this year only Edmonton and Dallas).
“6. Increased Points. Any points an athlete scores at the PTO Canadian Open
and/or the PTO US Open will be increased by 5%. In addition, the points
scored by an athlete at their best full-distance race will be increased by 10%.”
Here’s the protocol for your ease of access: https://protriathletes.org/...orld-ranking-system/ (scroll right to bottom of the page to which you linked).
The rationale (my assumption) is to:
The system looks fair to the eye, but there’s a few quirks as it currently sits:
-LCB, despite never not leading any swim, is listed as the 3rd best female swimmer
-Sanders and Long both got more bike points from the Collins Cup than Sam Laidlow got from this year’s Kona.
-Sam Laidlow, who has never been higher than 4th until Kona, is currently sitting ahead of Lionel Sanders, who also has a 2nd place WC this year and a bunch of wins.
I know the bike and the swim stats are just for fun, but to me there’s no reason why Laidlow should be ranked higher than Sanders in the general ranking - they both have a 2nd place at a WC this year, and even if you consider Laidlow’s placing more impressive (which it was), Sanders easily beats him on every other race.As you say, the swim bike run rankings seem to have only a small amount of merit. There are no ‘bonuses’ for high # in those.
On that last point (Laidlow v Sanders “Sanders easily beats him on every other race”) the telling aspect is this: Laidlow was way better on each of the 3 races that have (combined and averaged) given him his core.
Here’s the ‘head-to-head’: https://stats.protriathletes.org/head-to-head/sam-laidlow/lionel-sanders
but i thought points were based off of an athletes best 3 races. of those 5 races they are using to compare laidlow and sanders, were sanders best 3 races in those 5?