Pro 70.3 numbers for the tri nerds - 6th place pro @ Indian Wells 70.3

Just finished my first 70.3 race in the pro field and figured I’d share some of the specific numbers that I have always wondered about that most pros don’t openly share, now that I have a sample size of one race! Let me know if there are any personal questions, always happy to share!
The Swim

The first 400 meters was SO hard. I knew it’d be hot, but I couldn’t believe it. My 25 yard pool times from a wall push are ~57s for 100 yards, 2:04 for 200 yards, 4:15 for 400 yards, and I was still getting dropped like a hot potato by the lead pack. Perhaps it was Leon Pauger and McElroy pushing the pace hotter than a typical American 70.3, two world class ITU guys, but I almost got dropped by the lead pack… I was able to bridge up to grab the 6th of 7 positions in the front pack from 400-800m after someone had make a mistake and turned early at a sighting buoy (LOL) - and then hang on for life in the draft. It was then a steady 9/10 threshold effort for the rest of the swim for me, which is exactly 1:08/100 yards in a pool for me. Not sure what that translates to in real “race speed” with a wetsuit + cold open water + drafting, but generally I would say that the swim in the pro front pack (mid 23 mins) was equivalent to swimming a 2000 yard pool time trial swim with a 4:15 - 4:20 400 off the gun, then holding 1:08/100yd pace for 1600 more. Front guys are probably 1-2 seconds hotter, with less swim draft.

The Bike

Bridging up solo: I fumbled through T1 like an amateur and got dropped quickly by the ITU guys in the front group getting on the bike as I fell over trying to mount and get my shoes on. I was strung out solo but could see the cameras and motos up about 30s ahead and got fired up and decided to go for it. I held 324 watts for 15 minutes and could tell I was slowly closing on them, so made one big “all in” move and held 357 watts for 5 minutes until I closed the gap as the 4th wheel. Had I not screwed the pooch in T1, I could have avoided burning these matches so early. I was thinking to myself almost the entire bike “what am I doing? Am I going to blow up?" - as my best power to date was 307 in Santa Cruz, and I was way out of my comfort zone early. But as I quickly learned, I had made the right move because had I not, I never would have been able to ride with the strongest guys for as long as I did.

Riding in a group of 4: McElroy, Leon Pauger, me, Pimental - 295 watts for 8 minutes as the 4th wheel in the train. A sweet relief. I would guess that it is about 7-10 watts per bike of legal drafting benefit. The top 8-10 guys had refs on all us all day on the bike so we were all about 15m apart, playing it very safe as you have to. When I saw Sam Long and Jackson Laundry rolling up behind me (so soon? shit!) I bridged up to 2nd as I had recovered enough to be able to try to go with them. Laundry flew by everyone and nobody responded, but I knew Sam was still behind us so I was going to wait for his move and go with him.

Sam shatters the group, me hanging on for life: 75 seconds at 455 watts as he rolls by, then into 8 minutes at 355 watts to hold his wheel as he dropped McElroy and the other guy. Me and Leon Pauger hung on with Sam for dear life and he caught Jackson. We rode another 15 minutes and I was holding 330 watts for those 15 minutes as fourth wheel in that group. I would guess that Sam and Jackson were around 350-370 but I don’t know their weights. Not as relevant on this pancake flat course. Insanely hot pace, I was scared but stoked to just be in the moment and hung on. I was having too much to not go for it and thought to myself “If i blow up i blow up, I’m riding with Sam Long one of my favorites in the sport and at least I’m on TV…” At some point, Leon in the 3rd position let the gap open up and I was content not trying to burn yet another match trying to bridge all the way up around to catch Sam and Jackson since they would have dropped me and left me solo at some point shortly after anyways. Traded turns with Leon the rest of the ride at 310 watts on the front / 300 when behind, and Lionel and Bart caught us at mile 55 / right before T2. Lionel looked over at me and said some nice words which was one of the highlights of my day. I’ve met him a few times and he is such a good dude.

Unfortunately Leon Pauger who I rode with the entire ride didn’t know you couldn’t litter… In Austria I guess you can litter, haha? He did it right in front of the ref and had no idea he was doing anything wrong. He got an intentional littering penalty that cost him 5 mins and 5th place finish. I thought I had cracked him on the bike and that he had DNF’d hahaha. Nope, he ran 1:13 and those are the rules… he’s a great dude getting ready for Paris 2024 olympics and it was his 24th birthday and also his first 70.3. So impressive.

I finished with a 2:06 bike split and 317 NP, 308W average power. While these are reasonably high numbers (10 watts better than I’ve ever ridden), the big difference was that I spent 11 minutes above 410 watts, and had to hold 500-510 watts for 30 seconds at 3 different times. Just burning so many more matches than you normally would when riding a steady solo TT in the amateur field.

The run: same same, but guys are just way faster than you lol. Solo run with nobody in front or behind me until McElroy came by me at mile 10. Didn’t even attempt to go with him, just said great job and then locked in to the finish. Even split the run almost every mile at 6:00, ran my own race on dead legs from overbiking, stayed in control until sending it the final 5k (no faster, just way harder…)

Overall it was by far the most fun race experience I’ve ever had. But I’m also so glad I waited until this point to make the jump. Really looking forward to 2023. Ready for off season, but I’m fired up. Big thanks to my coach Lauren Goss. Hit me up @jriele on instagram and Strava here if interested. Thanks for reading!

Congrats on your debut and Kona podium!
Expect big things from you now:)

All the best for 2023

Thanks! Always fun to hear from inside the group

Congrats and thanks for sharing! It’s fascinating to hear about in-race dynamics at the front. Serious question - did anyone buy you a beer afterwards to celebrate?

Thanks for showing us what it takes!
A couple of q:

  1. Are you racing pro to see what it is like/do it while you can, or do you hope to make it a career? (I Can not see your age but i would guess a bit older than competitors?)
  2. Have you managed that while also being a director? Or have you/will you take a sabattical/off year to focus more on Ironman?

I finished with a 2:06 bike split and 317 NP, 308W average power. While these are reasonably high numbers (10 watts better than I’ve ever ridden), the big difference was that I spent 11 minutes above 410 watts, and had to hold 500-510 watts for 30 seconds at 3 different times. Just burning so many more matches than you normally would when riding a steady solo TT in the amateur field.

The run: same same, but guys are just way faster than you lol. Solo run with nobody in front or behind me until McElroy came by me at mile 10. Didn’t even attempt to go with him, just said great job and then locked in to the finish. Even split the run almost every mile at 6:00, ran my own race on dead legs from overbiking, stayed in control until sending it the final 5k (no faster, just way harder…)

Strategy question - you chose to “go with” the better riders, but why didn’t you choose to “go with” the better runner?

Congrats and thanks for sharing! It’s fascinating to hear about in-race dynamics at the front. Serious question - did anyone buy you a beer afterwards to celebrate?

Haha. I made my first triathlon paycheck so I bought the pizza and beer!!

Great write up. Thank you for sharing. All the best of luck to you.

Thanks for sharing and congratulations on a great race. It’s very interesting to learn more about a pro’s in-race experiences and numbers. Those bike numbers— good gracious.

I’d like to see more of these types of posts appear as a front page article for ST. I recall Erika Auckerland did a few that sort of pulled back the curtain to give us a sense of a pro’s life, which I enjoyed.

Thanks for showing us what it takes!
A couple of q:

  1. Are you racing pro to see what it is like/do it while you can, or do you hope to make it a career? (I Can not see your age but i would guess a bit older than competitors?)

  2. Have you managed that while also being a director? Or have you/will you take a sabattical/off year to focus more on Ironman?

  3. the simple answer is that I am racing pro because I love the sport, and that is now the field I belong in after winning amateur races. I am 28 years old and started triathlon at 23, never imagined I could make it a career (and still think that’s a long shot but possible, 3-5% odds lol). Scraping by with 30-50k/year with a mix of small sponsors and prize purses isn’t a career” to me at this point working in tech. I have a number in mind that if I could secure that in sponsorship + reliably estimate prize money, I would do it full time. But it’s stupid high, I’d guess near what the top 30 guys in the sport make.

  4. giving up my role at my current company would be a pretty selfish and silly endeavor. It’s very context dependent for many pros. If I was single and could live the van life and travel around the world racing for paychecks on a budget, I would totally do it. But I’m 28 and got in a little late and missed that adventure! I just bought a house and am married to my wife who is in grad school ¶ with no income yet, no kids yet but planned. I have a great work life balance (rarely more than 40 hours/week) and work from home with maybe 8 business trips/year. So short answer is no, will not take a sabbatical or focus on Ironman. But I’d be lying if it hadn’t crossed my mind… “what it could sit on the couch all day?” Lol my wife would kill me and for good reason. If you don’t have $ line up i think it’s pretty nuts to quit a high paying job to chase your dream. The reality is you CAN train 20 hours a week and work, if you have the right employer and you’re in the right role. I think Leon Chevalier has a full time job? I heard someone mention that. I’d have to win Kona to make it financially worth it. I do think maybe in a few years I could take a 6-12 month employment gap between jobs perhaps, but that would be just be for fun. For now I will try make my little mark in the pro field as “part time pro” I guess.

Strategy question - you chose to “go with” the better riders, but why didn’t you choose to “go with” the better runner?

  1. there is enough drafting benefit even at legal distance to take risks to stay and go with guys on the bike that doesn’t really exist on the run
  2. because I simply couldn’t run with Lionel and Bart for more than 2 miles without blowing up into a million pieces. They went out at ~5:20/mile and I was 5:48 for mile 1. Massive difference.

follow up question:

I spent 11 minutes above 410 watts, and had to hold 500-510 watts for 30 seconds at 3 different times. Just burning so many more matches than you normally would when riding a steady solo TT in the amateur field.

but to sit in the draft you had to do the above. does the yoyo-ing (am not referring to sam long here…) and stochastic power output to GET the draft and resultant excessive energy expenditure make up for a “worse” run. i.e. holding that many watts to ride a 2:06ish doesn’t seem necessary. especially with that VI.

you ran pretty steady, so you probably didn’t give up too much time on the run with that bike effort, but would you rather ride a 2:07-2:08 and run a 1:15? or ride a 2:05-2:06 and run a 1:18?

most pros (especially male pros) do not race in a way designed to give them the best overall time (and therefore, place), especially at regional races like Indian Wells.

great overall output though, especially given you have a demanding career.

Congrats and thanks for sharing! It’s fascinating to hear about in-race dynamics at the front. Serious question - did anyone buy you a beer afterwards to celebrate?

Haha. I made my first triathlon paycheck so I bought the pizza and beer!!

What are you going to do with the $5 leftover? 😁😉

Congrats and thanks for sharing! It’s fascinating to hear about in-race dynamics at the front. Serious question - did anyone buy you a beer afterwards to celebrate?

Haha. I made my first triathlon paycheck so I bought the pizza and beer!!

What are you going to do with the $5 leftover? 😁😉

Ha! It’s all going to holiday booze and Xmas presents. More than $5 tho! $1500 for 6th.

follow up question:

I spent 11 minutes above 410 watts, and had to hold 500-510 watts for 30 seconds at 3 different times. Just burning so many more matches than you normally would when riding a steady solo TT in the amateur field.

but to sit in the draft you had to do the above. does the yoyo-ing (am not referring to sam long here…) and stochastic power output to GET the draft and resultant excessive energy expenditure make up for a “worse” run. i.e. holding that many watts to ride a 2:06ish doesn’t seem necessary. especially with that VI.

you ran pretty steady, so you probably didn’t give up too much time on the run with that bike effort, but would you rather ride a 2:07-2:08 and run a 1:15? or ride a 2:05-2:06 and run a 1:18?

most pros (especially male pros) do not race in a way designed to give them the best overall time (and therefore, place), especially at regional races like Indian Wells.

great overall output though, especially given you have a demanding career.

It’s a good question, and ultimately one I will probably never know the answer to. I believe I made all the right decisions and that yes the draft benefit to ride with another strong 2:06 rider all day (Leon) was well worth it - i could have solo TT’d and then hammered the back half with Lionel and Bart, but probably same matches burned if I do that, and coming off bike even more gassed. probably could have ran 1:16 on my best day if i had ridden 3-4 mins slower at 290-300 watts. 1:18 is still my run PR, i have ran that 3 times now. So to ride harder and not see my run numbers slip is a step in right direction. Need to be 320 watts + 1:15 next year :slight_smile:

Wow! Very nice writeup and so good of you to share that. It’s really awesome to see the difference in the fields and what you guys have to endure. I appreciate your post very much and hope you have more as we don’t have many elites as open and who can stand the ST quarterbacking. Thanks a ton!

nice write up!

The biggest surprise for most male AG making the jump is just how fast the beginning of the pro race is and then how much surging takes place on the bike.
It’s really a completely different racing style compared to AG races where you can just steady drill it all day.

Thanks for putting this out there, you gained some followers today for certain!

Thanks for the insight into your first pro race! I will be following along and cheering you on in the future. Good luck!

I finished with a 2:06 bike split and 317 NP, 308W average power.

Balancing the u-turns looking at that course map with the flatness of it, 308w for 2:06 sounds like maybe some aero gains to be had? Yes/no?

Also, very interesting reading the power figures on the bike leg staying within the legal draft zone distances you wanted versus the gain that was had being there. I don’t doubt the deltas for on front versus on back at the legal distances for the power save/hurt, but the really high and long time period surges otherwise surprised me a bit.

I don’t do tri, I’ve done some local du’s, but I just dabble in slow time trial. So the power plan having such large swings to it just seems very interesting for draft illegal triathlon.

Great write up. Love getting the insight and numbers of the pro race. It would be awesome if all the pros had their real time data displayed on the IM or PTO or Clash broadcast like F1 telemetry.